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zr0, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

A game does not sell just because of art or the IP. So I like that there is competition. Would suck for Sony if the copy had better code quality, a better story, more content than their games at half the price.

Couldbealeotard,
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I think it’s proven fact that things often sell off of the art and IP, sometimes for those alone. If that wasn’t the case they wouldn’t fight so hard to protect it.

zr0,

Oh they obviously make more money out of those IP than they invest. And some IP’s are rather good. However, suing competition also means the market is so small, it is worth fighting them on the legal path, which actually proves my point.

ayyy,

Counterpoint: the janky-ass Pokémon games that suck and still print money.

zr0,

Same for Assassin’s Creed, Black Ops, etc. It does not mean they get bought because they are good. It means there is nothing else to play. For Pokémon there is actually a good example how to create this healthy competition - it is called Palworld.

victorz, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

Same:

  • Music
  • Art style of the creatures and environments
  • Overall concept and ideas, generally, it seems

Different:

  • Character design, a little thinner, more Asian game looking. People who are anime/hentai thin and are performing physical feats they shouldn’t be expected to be able to do. Less texture and detail to the faces and such. More smooth, gen AI look and feel. Less/cheaper work behind it I’m assuming.
  • Traveling, actually looks fun as hell compared to the Horizon games. Riding many more animals of different types and in/through different media, like water.
  • Fighting gameplay, looks like absolute ass, bro. Same old ground-based regurgitated melee style fighting you find in every single Chinese game with fighting in it. Looks so boring. Move in, hit, move out. Repeat until finished. I sleep.
  • Maybe able to clone beings you have destroyed? I dunno. Could be cool if that’s what I saw.

I low key would want to play through this in an any% kind of way. Just to see if it’s fun. But the battle sequences did not sell this well, I have to say.

Good luck to all.

ArchmageAzor, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike
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Do they have a case? As long as Tencent isn’t actively copying Horizon beyond an aesthetic, are they infringing on anything?

scutiger,

The key is whether or not someone would confuse one franchise for another based on the aesthetics. People were losing their minds over Palworld being a ripoff of Pokemon when it first released.

I could see it going either way. IP law is a mess.

echodot,

There is the additional case that apparently $0.10 wants to licence the IP. (Autocorrect has just changed the name to a price, and I’m inclined to leave it because it’s funny)

It sounds like what happened here is they developed the game and then approached Sony for the licence assuming they were going to get it (which is a bizarre thing to do because Sony were never going to give them a licence, anyone who knows anything about how Sony operate knows that)

brsrklf,

Not sure I care about who will win that one, but if Sony can prove tenc $0.10 actually came to them to get a Horizon licence, only to release “can’t believe it’s not Horizon” shortly after not getting it, that would be quite the smoking gun.

It’s basically a proof that looking as similar as possible was their intention all along.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

They asked for the IP to horizon when making it and made a “different” game when told no

duchess, do games w [CLICKBAIT / MISSINFORMATION] One Of The Greatest PC Games Of 2024 Was Removed From Itch.io Search Results

Yeah, they link to other stores without offering a native purchase or download, they don’t get indexed. Not a new rule, and a rather sensible one. The product page is still available via linking.

simple, do games w [CLICKBAIT / MISSINFORMATION] One Of The Greatest PC Games Of 2024 Was Removed From Itch.io Search Results
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As mentioned in the itch reply, this has nothing to do with recent events. It was delisted for a while. This is clickbait.

Archive link from November showing that it wasn't appearing in search: https://web.archive.org/web/20241107033706/https://itch.io/search?q=mouthwashing

NONE_dc,
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you. I have corrected the post. I feel so embarrassed now…

simple,
@simple@piefed.social avatar

It's gamestop's fault for terrible journalism, not you. Thanks for updating the post

Coelacanth, (edited ) do games w [CLICKBAIT / MISSINFORMATION] One Of The Greatest PC Games Of 2024 Was Removed From Itch.io Search Results
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Absolute insanity what even is this shit.

EDIT: What it was was “clickbait”, it turns out.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Christofacism.

NONE_dc,
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

They took us for fools, I’m very sorry…

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w [CLICKBAIT / MISSINFORMATION] One Of The Greatest PC Games Of 2024 Was Removed From Itch.io Search Results

Gasp?!!? The game about being ground up by capitalism and the abuses of power mad men got blocked?

Sounds about christian.

Darth_Lemmy, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

imagine spending all that dev time to just get shredded. bruh

Phineaz, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

Heh, remember when everyone was playing Breath of the Wild aka Genshin Impact?

ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

Yessss pls damage each other

NaibofTabr, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

SIE further alleged that Tencent came to the company with a pitch to license the Horizon IP, to which SIE declined.

This seems very relevant to the lawsuit.

What did they do, decide to develop a Horizon game in-house, then ask for permission retroactively, and then release it anyway when Sony didn’t agree?

DoucheBagMcSwag,

That sounds like exactly what they did

wizardbeard,

Would not be the first time, although usually developers then go out of their way to make things more legally distinct.

Off the top of my head, the PS1 game Croc was reportedly originally pitched to Nintendo as a 3D platformer starring Yoshi (it was made by some of the team behind StarFox). They obviously reworked it a ton before it released as what it ended up as.

thatKamGuy,

Not as relevant as you would think, and actually somewhat common in the industry; Warcraft (the RTS) was developed ahead of asking for a license for the Warhammer franchise. When that deal fell through, it was rejigged to be its own thing and published.

echodot,

I think the key here is that it’s completely identical. It’s virtually the same product if you told me it was another game set in the same universe I would have believed you.

When you rejig something you have to change it enough that it’s distinct, I’m not convinced they changed literally anything.

TheBeege,

Starcraft is Warhammer 40k. Terrans are space marines. Protoss are Eldar. Zerg are Tyranids. Been happening a long time now

ryathal,

There is also evidence that an out of court settlement happened between those companies. Notably moving away from cerebrates in SC2.

bjoern_tantau,
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Doom started out as an Aliens game. Though they pivoted away from that to retain more creative freedom.

Aielman15, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike
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There’s got to be irony somewhere in Sony striking a deal with Palworld, then suing another company for copying the art of their game.

Agent_Karyo,
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Is the art of Palworld similar to Pokémon?

simple,
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There are some monster designs that are very similar to Pokemon, but FWIW Pokemon has a lot of simple designs inspired by real animals anyway.

Maultasche, (edited )

Interestingly, most of the copied ones are the non-animal designs like Goodra with Liligant’s flower

Tollana1234567,

pikachu, bulbasaur was pretty obvious

Aielman15, (edited )
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Agent_Karyo,
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Some are the designs are pretty close I will admit, even though I don’t think Nintendo should be able to randomly shut down gamea that are vaguely similar to Pokémon.

psx_crab,

That’s why it’s irony, Sony support knockoff, got their game knockedoff and mad about it.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

But is Palworld really a knockoff? Some of the designs are similar, but I didn’t get the impression that whole game is a knockoff.

If we used Nintendo’s logic, we would never have any other CRPGs beyond Ultima. I am don’t support such measures.

psx_crab,

Yes it is, the design of some of those monster at least.

I’m not here to defend anyone, i just find it funny. If you wanna defend sony or whosthatpalworlddev, you be you.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I would rather have more competition in the market.

psx_crab,

No one saying otherwise.

IWW4, (edited ) do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

Yeah, I gotta go with Sony on this and holy shit that is horizon zero dawn all the way!

DoucheBagMcSwag, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike

SIE further alleged that Tencent came to the company with a pitch to license the Horizon IP, to which SIE declined.

If sony has physical proof of this, Tencent is fucked and this game will never be released

NaibofTabr, (edited )

Yeah this seems like a smoking gun of intent to reproduce the IP. Hard to claim it was done in ignorance if Sony has documentation on this licensing pitch.

proper, do games w Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Lookalike
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

and a nolan north style ghost to boot

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