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vga, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

How are there players?

echodot,

Sunk cost, they pre-ordered it, and they are darn well going to play it, even if they don’t enjoy doing so.

Don’t pull the video games especially when they’re digitally distributed. It’s not like they can run out.

Muscar,

Or they actually enjoy it. Just because you and others don’t doesn’t mean everyone doesn’t. I didn’t pay anything for it and thoroughly enjoyed it, and will do so more when the DLC comes out. As with anything there are valid points of criticism but so much of the hate for it is fully because of people’s idiocy and not anything else, I’ve never before seen so much deeply stupid criticism for something.

echodot,

I have no problem with people liking it. But I know for a fact that a lot of people really are just obsessed with it because they got bamboozled into pre-ordering, because Bethesda, and they don’t want to admit they made a mistake.

EnderMB,

Tribalism is surprisingly rampant in gaming, especially when a developer picks a side/is acquired by the creator of “their” console.

Duamerthrax,

People want to believe their lie.

TachyonTele,

It’s free on gamepass

Agrivar,

I’m sure a rational response is just going to get downvoted to oblivion, but it’s actually a fun game. Not my favorite from Bethesda, but I definitely enjoyed the 1k hours I put into it last year, and I look forward to dipping back in once the DLC drops and there are more mods (not paid creations) available.

vga,

Well no downvotes from me, that’s a valid opinion.

Krakaval,

You’re the actual proof that unpopular opinion does not result in downvotes to oblivion.

From now on : « remember that guy who said he LIKED Starfield… »

lemmyvore,

What do you do for 1k hours in Starfield?

bc93,

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  • Agrivar,

    You nailed it. The ship-building, especially with the early mods that allowed more part rotation and clipping, REALLY sucked me in. I am excited to check out the enhancements BGS added to that system when I next play.

    bc93,

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  • Agrivar,

    There was a mod that allowed you to (mostly) control door placement, but I’m not sure if it’s even still needed.

    Cowbee,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Base building, charting planets, roleplaying, bounty hunting, going to NG+, making different decisions in questlines, and more.

    The game is actually pretty good.

    dan1101,

    Starfield has a lot of good aspects, but also some bone-headed gameplay and content decisions. I had a lot of fun with it for a few weeks and will come back to it if/when it gets to a better state.

    MeanEYE, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    Is repetitive buying of Bethesda games a new kind of litmus test for stupidity? I mean they do this shit constantly and people are still surprised when it happens. Did people really forget horse armor they tried to sell? Or forget about items that were free in Fallout 4, but had to be purchased in 76? It’s Bethesda and only one thing Todd dreams about is scamming another dollar from their fans.

    boonhet,

    Used to be that they’d sell you both worthless DLC and actually good DLC.

    Knights of the Nine?* Awesome. Horse Armor? Worthless.

    Similarly, Skyrim had Dawnguard and Dragonborn which were great. It also had Hearthfire which was kinda meh, but at least it had stuff to do and was cheap, so I’m not too mad about it.

    *There was also Shivering Isles, but at the time that was marketed as an expansion pack, not merely a DLC.

    Passerby6497, (edited )

    Pretty sure shivering isles was Morrowind and horse armor/ nights I’m the nine was oblivion. Those would have come out years apart.

    I don’t know what I’m talking about this early

    Rekorse,

    Thats not accurate at all. Shivering isles is oblivion and one of the best parts of the game.

    theonyltruemupf,

    I just buy Bethesda games years after release and have a blast playing them.

    MeanEYE,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    If you find that worth it, then sure. Although that won’t be the case soon it seems as Todd has a hardon for live services.

    JimSamtanko, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    Bethesda has chosen to make their shit exclusive to a console that is outsold by its completion 2:1.

    They’re not exactly the bastions of good ideas.

    ExMimic,

    Microsoft owns Bethesda, so they probably didn’t have a choice

    JimSamtanko,

    They knew beforehand- and did it anyway:

    en.as.com/…/xbox-knew-from-the-start-that-every-b…

    ExMimic,

    The article clearly states Microsoft chose to keep it off Playstation, not Bethesda.

    JimSamtanko,

    And it’s well know that Microsoft knew they were going to do that before Bethesda sold off to Microsoft. So again, they’re not making good decisions.

    LunarLoony,
    @LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    If you’re getting a big heap of money from Microsoft, who cares what decisions you make? (Playing devil’s advocate)

    Halosheep,

    What do you mean by this? I’ve played starfield on pc, is it exclusive to pc?

    JimSamtanko,

    Can you play it on a PS5? The console that I mentioned that is outselling the Xbox 2 to 1? And both FO and Elder Scrolls will be exclusive. Again, they’re not making good decisions over there.

    I didn’t mention PC. What I’m talking about isn’t about PC. It’s about consoles and their decision to side with Microsoft and lose money.

    Stovetop,

    Well, it’s not siding with Microsoft, it is Microsoft. This is a Microsoft game.

    JimSamtanko,

    Was it a hostile takeover?

    PoorlySketchedIdiot,

    No, Microsoft simply bought them.

    JimSamtanko,

    So like I said… they knew what was going to happen. And allowed it. So… big brain ideas happening over there.

    dylanTheDeveloper, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset
    @dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

    Is it good though

    BaskinRobbins, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    They’re selling a single quest as dlc? I mean if you going to do dlc then at least make a full expansion.

    NikkiDimes,

    Why waste time with lots of quest when few quest do trick

    JakJak98,

    Right?

    Bethesda just released an expansion for fallout 76. It’s a game that I’m fairly fond of, considering the amount of dislike I have for fallout 4, it improved on it in every way from the worldbuilding to building to the story, I could go on, point is, I like it.

    The new expansion, the first map expansion and like 20 major updates in.

    The new map is quite a large region. You’d expect a few side quests to unlock these other locations. Maybe some hidden gems. Maybe some cool NPCs outside of the main “expansion” right?

    Its literally: A main quest that’s short (beat it in like 3 hours on the first day it dropped)

    A single side quest that’s more of an optional objective on the main quest

    A single new event

    A single new boss.

    Four things they added. Two of which can only be done once (bad formula for a game designed around repeating similar tasks)

    They’ve just straight up gotten bad. There’s no love in their products anymore. It’s all taking the easiest way out, lacking any amount of real creativity.

    I just want them to migrate from their shitty proprietary engine, buckle down on a good story and prioritizing fun.

    ichbinjasokreativ,

    This is not a new thing, even back in 2012 the much-beloved borderlands 2 got five new missions which cost $2 each.

    JustAnotherRando,

    The thing with those is that, while it was a small amount of content, it wasn’t just a mission, each was about an hour of repeatable content that was fairly fun to farm. At $2, they actually still felt worth it with as much fun as B2 was. If they had asked for like $10 each, people would have flipped out.
    I’m not a Starfield player, but I would bet this is not even close to as good of a value proposition.

    Gladaed,

    Pretty sure it’s more of a pricing issue.

    Cybermonk_Taiji, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    There are Starfield players?

    RabbitMix, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    Honestly I don’t care, that’s a pretty reasonable price compared to the lot of the content sold for AAA games. This isn’t even noteworthy in 2024

    Kolanaki, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset
    !deleted6508 avatar

    It’s got more content than horse armor though. Totally worth it. ^/s^

    Emmy, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    It began with horse armour…

    the16bitgamer, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset
    @the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

    $500 for a Krabby Patty?

    With cheese Mr. Squidward, with cheese.

    Adalast, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    Why are we surprised? They were the ones who pioneered the DLC microtrans model. I would legitimately have been more surprised if this headline were the converse statement.

    GeneralVincent,

    Hehe microtrans. That’s me

    altima_neo, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    There’s people playing Strarfield to get upset in the first place?

    PrettyFlyForAFatGuy, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    Fallout 5 is going to suck

    pivot_root,

    Only if you don’t buy the Season 1 Vault-Tec Access Pass for $49.99. Imagine not doing that and then not ever being able to get your Overpowered Armor at pass level 5. You would absolutely be ruining it for yourself by not investing into the seasonal passes.

    caut_R,

    🏴‍☠️

    justaderp,

    Crypto would at least offer a non-zero chance of ROI.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    Fallout 4 sucked, too.

    Its a fun shooter game, but its not a fallout. Throwing supermutants into a game doesnt make it a Fallout. Especially with how they fucked SPECIAL.

    Fallout TV is probably the last decent product from Bethesda, and I’d wager thats only cause Bethesda isnt in charge of writing.

    Famko,

    The perk system was fine imo, but the fact that attributes (except for charisma) did not influence dialogue at all was extremely disappointing.

    Roleplay opportunities were traded in for a better gunplay experience. It became an FPS, not an RPG.

    CleoTheWizard,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    Look the perk system was bad but it’s wasn’t Fallout New Vegas bad. It was okay for a Fallout game but they probably should’ve done level ups by doing each 5 levels gives you 2 SPECIAL points to spend rather than spending normal points on the core stats.

    Grangle1,

    As an RPG player, people kept saying I should play Fallout, but I never have because it always looked more like a shooter than an RPG, and I want to play an actual RPG, not a shooter with RPG elements (especially because I despise shooters).

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Then play Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas.

    Chee_Koala,

    In all the previous shooter Fallouts, you can basically use VATS to never have to aim yourself if that’s what you want to do (or melee build!), it’s like an auto-aimer. You won’t miss that much and maybe that way you can enjoy the universe.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    Play 1 and 2 if you dont mind isometric, cause they are a definitive roleplay experience.

    and New Vegas if you gotta have that 3d.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Eh, I liked it better than 3.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    talk about damning with faint praise…

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I had fun with both. Fallout 4’s flaws are still there, but if you’re going to make a punching bag out of one of them, 4 is a better game than 3, IMO.

    Zoot,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    Better than 3 maybe, but doesn’t even hold a candle to New Vegas. Hell, id argue 3 with NV’s engine is leagues better.

    A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

    No ones disagreeing with that.

    Fallout 3 was all around an inferior game. Not just an inferior fallout, but an inferior game, compared to 4.

    Mostly cause Fallout 3 was a disjointed mess.

    But just because Fallout 4 is better by comparison, Doesnt mean fallout 4 is good.

    I hate beets. But give me the choice between a bowl of shit and a bowl of beets, and put a gun to my head? I’ll eat the beets gladly and happily. Doesnt mean I love them.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Neither is shit. 4 is way better. 1, 2, and New Vegas are better still. But 3 doesn’t tend to come up in these conversations when people talk about Bethesda Fallouts being worse. They always go to 4, and that surprises me.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    because Fallout 3 is at least fallout-ish despite its horrible writing, story, and world building.

    4 is just a shooter game with Vault Tec and Super mutants thrown into it.

    Kolanaki,
    !deleted6508 avatar

    Fallout 3’s world doesn’t feel like Fallout but the tone of the writing comes close.

    Fallout 4’s tone and writing doesn’t feel like Fallout, but the world does.

    New Vegas is the only 3D Fallout game that feels like Fallout in both the world and the writing.

    I can almost guarantee that unless Josh Sawyer and the other original talent that made 1, 2, and tactics that also worked on New Vegas are working on it, it will never feel like a true Fallout game.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    I would love for Obsidian to get another crack at Fallout, but I don’t think they are the only ones capable of making a good fallout game (though they would undoubtly be the best).

    It just takes passion for the property, and a vested interest in the world. Something Bethesda is clearly lacking. Bethesda seems to be in the phase of “throw darts at a bunch of sticky notes on the wall” of trying to figure out how to make a game, and it just leads to a disjointed experience.

    CleoTheWizard,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    Obsidian is off doing things and making games better than Fallout, they’d only come back because their studio isn’t extremely profitable and needs the cash.

    Really though, please just go buy their games and play them. Outer Worlds got slated as pretty average but I’m still really excited to play that and Outer Worlds 2.

    EnderMB,

    I liked Outer Worlds, but while I do see some “NV magic” there, it feels like both Bethesda AND Obsidian are no longer the same companies that they once were. Obsidian are still quietly putting out some solid games…but not to the same quality of two generations prior.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    Outer Worlds is a great, fun game.

    The only bad thing about it is idiot gamers heard the basic premise, and that Obsidian was making it, and immediately stroked their hype boners up over “OMG NEW VEGAS IN SPACE!” when it was nothing of the sort.

    Klear,

    For me it’s the fundamental difference in design philosophy. Bethesda does power fantasies, which works great for TES, but not for Fallout. You should be barely scraping by, not making the wasteland your bitch.

    jjjalljs,

    Fallout 4 is like 4 different games crammed into a trench coat.

    • high emotion story game. Go rescue your child!
    • high action shooter. Boom! Headshot!
    • stats driven RPG. That naked bandit is level 40 so you can’t kill him even if you shotgun his face
    • settlement management game. Build and decorate a little town! Set up trade routes!

    All of these are kind of badly done, and mashing them all together didn’t make something greater than the parts.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    And the only aspect thats any good is the shooter part. Cause it is a fun shooter. Especially at higher levels with more exotic weapons.

    But the story is shit

    The RPG Elements… the SPECIAL/Stats were shit on and ruined to enable some vague idea of nearly infinite growth within an uncapped level system.

    and the settlement building is somehow worse than how a New Vegas mod managed to do it.

    BowtiesAreCool,

    I hate modern gaming. Opinions aren’t allowed to be held. I don’t like this thing so ITS THE WORST OF THAT THING

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Once you take high school English your teacher will tell you not to write “in my opinion” in front of everything you write because it is unnecessary. Of course it is your option, you said it.

    Someone with basic logic can extrapolate from that that if someone says something like “Fallout 4 is bad” that is clearly someone presenting an opinion and not an objective truth.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    I hate having discussions. Opinions aren’t allowed to be held because theres always some entitled ass that has to come in and misrepresent what everyones saying so they can fulfill their personal fantasy of being offended and attacked.

    t_berium, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset
    @t_berium@lemmy.world avatar

    Not surprised… just upset.

    amio, do games w Bethesda Is Charging $7 For A New Starfield Mission, And Players Are Upset

    Lmao. They are basically speedrunning enshittification% at this point.

    Mr_Wobble,

    At this point?! My dude, do you remember horse armor? They literally started this shit.

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