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Kissaki, do gaming w Why video game preservation is important?

What do you think about no preservations from 100 years ago? 1000? 2000?

We could certainly continue to live and evolve and make the same mistakes again without such history. But it gives us historic context, fills our curiosity, and allows us to analyze long term developments.

Video games are a cultural good. Like music. Music was, is, and remains part of our culture. It enriches us. It’s useful for entertainment, for creativity, for curiosity, and to share culture and interests with one another.

I imagine preservation fulfills our innate desire to collect and preserve what we gained. Loss of what we find meaningful or influential sparks negative emotions.

ProdigalFrog, do gaming w Why video game preservation is important?

Ross Scott (of Freeman’s Mind & Game Dungeon fame) makes a compelling argument for game preservation here: youtu.be/tUAX0gnZ3Nw?t=2548

thingsiplay, do gaming w Why video game preservation is important?

Many reasons. There is probably not a straight forward answer if you never tried to answer (its my first time) this question. But I’ll give it a go.

Most importantly and in the long run (and I’m talking about hundreds of years) future generations can study old games, to learn how the past was working. For the short term (I"m speaking about now for next decades) its partly about nostalgia so you can play the games, if companies fail to preserve them. Also preservation allows us to play and see the games in their initial state in example. Game developers also can study old games, which is important to make new ones. Reading books how the golden era was this and that is one thing, then playing those games and seeing how it works is another. Even if its not 100% authentic recreation, its still helps.

Why do you preserve old books, films, music, art? Why do we preserve old technical devices we found, old bones of animals or even humans? Compared to those, its much more complicated to preserve videogames, not only the bits and bytes as they are available, but also to have them playable. Videogames is part of our society and preserving them is preserving part of our humanity.

thingsiplay, (edited ) do gaming w What websites provide video game maps?
  • interactive 3D maps: noclip.website (Edit: Note this site does not work for me anymore, but seem to work for others. It could be my browser Firefox or an addon, I have no idea.)
  • overview maps for all kind of systems: vgmaps.com
  • SNES games, various overworld or stage maps: www.snesmaps.com
DdCno1,

Noclip works, just remove the double tilde from your link.

thingsiplay, (edited )

The double tilde was an attempt to strike through the text. For me site does not work. I mean the site itself works, but nothing when I click and load a scenery. Can you load a map and use it interactively?

Edit: Oh, looks like my browser or its configuration does not work, maybe a plugin or Firefox itself: noclip.website/?webgpu

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/dcd8d222-f771-4a2f-8c39-cedeb9501a2a.webp

DdCno1,

Firefox works, on Windows and Android. Seems like you misconfigured it in some way.

thingsiplay,

I’m on Linux. No clue what is needed, because the error message is not specific enough. I have created an issue on the Github page. Hopefully this can be resolved.

DdCno1,

Could be a DRM issue. Maybe this site is using some sort of DRM that’s not working on Linux, similar to streaming sites. I’m just speculating however. Have you tried a fresh install of Firefox instead of your current configuration?

thingsiplay,

I tested this with a fresh Firefox profile, which is basically like a new installation without any customization. So looks like its not because of my personal customization or addons. Same results. On my old machine I remember using this website and I could navigate through the levels. But that’s 2 years ago or so, don’t remember.

Just had the genius idea to look in the Browser console and this is the message:

14:23:43.794 NotFoundError: No such JSProcessActor ‘BrowserToolboxDevToolsProcess’ 3

ulterno,

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/f0d90d2c-88c8-41a8-ac6b-47138f46ab15.png

Is this guard supposed to be slacking off on the job?

It works on Firefox EndeavourOS

IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION, do games w Why are most mobile games trash?
@IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world avatar

what shocks me is that nintendo never made some new pokemon games in their old GBA or DS style. it would be perfectly suited to phone limitations and expectations and there is a huge potential market for that style of game.

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

If pokemon got a true mobile port it would have instantly cut their DS/3DS (and maybe Switch) hardware sales in half. Never going to happen

Bezier,
@Bezier@suppo.fi avatar

Just switch, 3DS is discontinued.

ADTJ,

Now I’m picturing a pokémart with micro transactions to buy items and I’m glad this doesn’t exist

Pacattack57, do gaming w Is Elden Ring a good Breath of the Wild replacement?

Depends on what you’re looking for. If you want a game exactly like BotW than no, Elden Ring is harder and has a lot more complex mechanics.

If you’re asking because you can only play one then Elden Ring is better and it’s not even close. With that said it is not meant for casual play, if you don’t like losing do not play it. Dying is a core mechanic of the game.

TheGreenWizard, do gaming w Killed the greatest gamer initiative out there for content

YOU CANT BLAME THOR FOR RUINING THIS CAMPAIGN SINGLE HANDED

Is this all his fault alone? No, but if someone starts spewing bullshit excuses and makes up lies about my objectives to his millions of followers, I feel like it is important to correct him, and call him a doo doo head.

Duamerthrax,

Too little too late, but his onlyfangs(or whatever it’s called) drama really cut into his CCV. He tried beating Neuro-sama’s hype train on twitch, failed, and made a bunch of petty excuses. He can’t maintain his facade anymore.

TheGreenWizard, do gaming w Killed the greatest gamer initiative out there for content

dudes a turd

thingsiplay, do gaming w Why there was a sudden increase in Breath of the Wild ripoffs in the early 2020s?

There aren’t ripoffs of Breath of the Wild. Maybe Immortals Fenyx Rising is inspired by BotW, but I can hardly call it a ripoff. It’s a unique game that stands on its own. Otherwise there is no increase in Breath of the Wild ripoffs in 2020.

sneezycat, do gaming w Is Elden Ring a good Breath of the Wild replacement?
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

No.

Play Death Stranding instead, it’s closer to the exploration/traversal aspect of BotW at least.

TachyonTele,

That’s a wild recommendation.
I never bothered to get past the first real mission, so I don’t know how true it is. It’s a goddamn slog playing the game.

wizardbeard, (edited )

Director’s Cut eases some of that, but it’s definitely a game that could use better guidance. The first map is a slog, but if you charge through it (past the point where you take a barge to a new map) things open up pretty quickly with vehicles, new obstacles, and other tools to keep things more interesting.

The worst part is that the game doesn’t really direct you towards unlocking the tools and upgrades that make things better. A lot is unlocked through the main plot path, but there’s more that’s just not signposted at all. Is grinding out the full 5 star approval of this guy going to unlock a level 3 exoskeleton, or is it just unlocking a new decorative patch for my backpack? How am I supposed to naturally find out what places give you the best boots in the game as delivery rewards?

It’s a game where you just kind of have to accept the slog as part of the narrative. You’re one singular delivery man tasked with reconnecting the remaining people and settlements in a ruined america. It’s going to be tough. Moments of power fantasy will be few and far between. As you reconnect more, you gain the ability to build infrastructure (and use infrastructure built by others through the network you’re making) to make things easier.

Like, if you can find enjoyment in the slow moments, then you earn the more enjoyable stuff over time. Definitely not for everyone. I like it, but I play on and off in bursts. Think I have like 100 hours over four years. Biggest advice is to speed through the first map, just do the main quests. On the second map you can start taking your time if you want to.

TachyonTele,

Everything you’ve described is so far past where my point of giving up is, none of that matters. “Charging through it” is watching 3 hours of cutscenes and only God knows how little gameplay.

RaoulDook,

I’m not gonna downvote Death Stranding, but it’s not much like Zelda BOTW at all. DS is the best “strand type” video game around. Breath of the Wild is an awesome Zelda RPG-lite with a vast open world and tons of stuff to do. Elden Ring is the best RPG like and Souls-like game of all time to present day.

sneezycat,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

For me at least, BotW was more about the movement and traversal problem solving than anything else. Of course it has action elements and it’s super different to DS in many ways, but the pathfinding part tickles the same part of my brain in both games, idk.

I think Elden Ring is way different because it’s an action game, where the fights take center stage, and not so much the movement mechanics (although the exploration is great in its own way).

RaoulDook,

Yeah that’s a good point. Tears of the Kingdom takes all that and dials it up to 11 with the flying and vehicles

bjoern_tantau, do gaming w Why video games exist after all?
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

KillerTofu, do gaming w Why video games exist after all?

Ask the same about any other art like music, paintings, sculptures. What useful value do they have other than entertainment?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Artistic expression. Whether anyone is entertained by it is a byproduct. :)

KillerTofu,

And can the same not be said about interactive media like video games?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely. It’s a matter of artistic expression.

Nobody was REALLY entertained by “Irritating Stick”, but the creators expressed themselves.

youtu.be/Xagp0JhvCY0

onlooker, do gaming w What game of the 2020s do you think that will top the "best games of the decade" lists in 2030?
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

We still have about 6 years to go, but it’s obviously going to be Gollum.

UltraGiGaGigantic, do gaming w What game of the 2020s do you think that will top the "best games of the decade" lists in 2030?
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

STALKER 2

Zahille7, do gaming w Will the Nintendo Switch become the best-selling console ever?

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