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simple, do gaming w New mod team, new chances.

That was fast lol. Thanks for taking quick action, I was about to shoot a message to the admins about it. That guy was acting out for no reason.

While we’re at it, can we allow meme posts again? Feels like games@lemmy.world already has its place as the ‘serious’ gaming discussion.

Thanks!

Thekingoflorda,
@Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

Oh absolutely, this whole mess started I believe because Stamets dared to disagree with the active mod about meme posts being allowed. So since he’s now the mod, let the memes flow!

Catoblepas,

I wonder if this had something to do with it as well? Thank you guys for cleaning it up either way 🙏

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah… As said, I made a comment saying I disagreed with the memes being disallowed and almost immediately it was removed and I was banned. I noticed a few minutes later and sent it to a few people like “Dudes lost his mind.” Wasn’t long after that he just exploded. I mean it was hilariously stupid because we can reinstate all the posts with very little effort, and putting up a new banner or icon isn’t exactly heavy lifting either.

As for memes… yes. My whole comment said that I wasn’t sure of the difference between here and /c/games if memes weren’t allowed. As @Thekingoflorda suggested, he doesn’t seem to have an issue with memes. I certainly don’t. @JonsJava I haven’t had a chance to have a good chat with but we will at some point today and we’ll figure out the rules and stuff but I suspect that they’re not going to have an issue with memes. Although I do not want to speak on their behalf and guarantee nothing, mind you.

JonsJava,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

Meme all the memes!

simple, do games w Xbox Developers Direct

Avowed is either going to be really good or really bad, and I can’t tell which it’ll be. The world looks great but only two playable races is annoying, and the dialogue looked really dull in that preview.

Ara was my highlight of the show. It really is just Civ 7 but in a different name, but it looks great.

gabekn,

Ara looks amazing visually, but honestly I dont have the patience for this kind of game.

toxicbubble420, do gaming w With Nintendo Switch Online having emulators like gba and 64 etc. Would you play those versions or would you continue to emulate those games on another device?

considering some games take years to play, I’d rather pay to own than do an annual subscription. otherwise, I’ll gladly emulate

luciole, do gaming w With Nintendo Switch Online having emulators like gba and 64 etc. Would you play those versions or would you continue to emulate those games on another device?
@luciole@beehaw.org avatar

I’ve gotten a few emulated titles on Wii and WiiU in the past. I preferred the Virtual Console collection from those consoles. You’d pay a few dollars for the title you wanted and you had it forever. I’m not a fan of the strange bundling of online services + retro gaming with Nintendo Switch Online… not to mention the expansion pack. I just don’t do enough retro gaming to justify it.

As much as I prefer going legit for gaming, if I get a retro craving I’ll probably just set sail on a trusty PC.

INeedMana, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe Satisfactory? Or Factorio?

haui_lemmy,

I have both and sunk about 300 hours into each. Very cool games. Thanks for mentioning them.

INeedMana,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, so survival base building is a good lead. I’m not into this genre but I’ve heard about these (in order as they came to my mind):

trigonated,

Quite irresponsible of you to just recommend those games like that without any sort of warning :P

hstde, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

If you still like Minecraft, you can go back to a version you are interested in. Many people are still playing beta 1.7.3. Maybe try the “Better than adventure” mod.

Also have a look at vintage story.

haui_lemmy,

Thats an awesome idea! I might do this. Thanks.

Ashen44, do gaming w What are some good games that have a bad reputation due to unreasonable expectations?

I’ll throw my hat into this ring with Monster Hunter Rise. I often spend my time browsing monster hunter content and almost every time Rise gets brought up it’s just to talk about how much worse it is than World. I’ll say it now, yes I also prefer World to Rise, but holy fuck do I still love Rise.

To start with, let’s compare the two. Monster Hunter is developed by 2 teams who take turns making games. World was developed by the mainline team who are known for more grounded and polished games. Rise was developed by the portable team who are known for flashier and more experimental games. Most players started the Monster Hunter series with World (it’s Capcom’s #1 best selling game of all time after all) and so going from the high detail immersive World to the action packed fast paced Rise was extremely jarring. A massive portion of the hate just comes from the fact that it was different.

Also, as you can probably guess from the name, the portable team makes games for portable systems, such as the Switch, which immediately gives them less power to work with system-wise. Couple this with the fact that Rise was developed during the pandemic, and Rise was really dealt a rough hand. Graphically it’s a massive downgrade from World, and it even ended up releasing without an ending or any non-scripted elder dragon fights.

In spite of all this, even though Rise lacks a ton of the personality and charm of World, it’s still an absolute blast to play! The combat is stellar, and while it may not have the weight World had, its fluidity and high adrenaline action makes it some of the best in the series. The sunbreak expansion especially really improved the game in every single way, fixing a ton of the issues people had with the base game. I feel that most players already moved on after base Rise and so didn’t get to experience that improvement unfortunately.

TL;DR play Monster Hunter Rise. It’s really good. Just don’t go in expecting the same experience as World.

jonsnothere, do gaming w What are some good games that have a bad reputation due to unreasonable expectations?

Unpopular opinion because it’s so recent, but I think Starfield is/will be in this category

Joker,

It will be if they give it some TLC like CD PROJEKT and Hello did with their games. There’s a lot to like about Starfield, but it has problems that have a big impact on gameplay. I don’t want to deal with that inventory system for the hours it will take for me to enjoy the story. In general, the menus kinda suck. They really need to work on the ergonomics.

barsoap,

Bethesda never does that and from what I’ve heard the modding community still won’t switch away from Skyrim. They, too, are tired of Bethesda’s shit and they already invested so much time in Skyrim to fix it up they might just as well continue.

Wrrzag,
@Wrrzag@lemmy.ml avatar

The problem with starfield is not technical but that the writing is pretty crappy in general. Technical or feature problems can be fixed (cyberpunk or no man’s sky did it) but the story can’t be extensively rewritten without making it a different game.

Joker,

Is the story that bad? I played a few hours and I was into it. Does it get worse later? I set the game aside because it was buggy and didn’t exactly run well. I’m planning to pick it up again after it gets some updates.

In the 6 or so hours I played, it was the inventory and menus that drove me crazy more than anything else. They are so poorly designed and implemented that I wonder if anyone actually played the game during testing. I can’t see myself continuing the game until they are improved.

Wrrzag,
@Wrrzag@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s the kind of thing that the more you think about it the more flaws you find. The stories from the different factions also feel very disconnected, like Skyrim’s. Everything seems to exist in a vacuum).

But don’t take me for my word, if you already have it play the game and see if you enjoy it, that’s what’s important.

Fonderthud,

Liked the main story well enough. Not as good as Morrowind but on par with FO3/4 and Skyrim which I grade as mediocre. Starfield does have some of my most enjoyed faction quests though.

Biggest failings to me were the repetitive POIs and half finished sub systems that while functional could have been so much better. I’m still happy with my purchase and see myself playing again over the coming years but it’s understandable why so many people walked away from it.

clipper, do gaming w What are some good games that have a bad reputation due to unreasonable expectations?

I feel like Days Gone belongs in this conversation.

Ashen44,

Man I loved Days Gone. I played through the whole game and deeply enjoyed it. I’m always surprised when I hear it getting shit talked online because it was really well done in my opinion. Maybe it was launch issues or something since I played it on PC long after release.

he_is_matt, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

I’d throw Crash Bandicoot showing up in Uncharted 4 into the mix, with an honorable mention for Nathan’s Nerf gun setup in his attic.

Maybe neither of those count, as they’re not complete in and of themselves? But I think they count in the spirit of the question asked.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I was pretty happy when I could play that in Uncharted 4. Uncharted is such a good series.

bermuda, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?

When it comes to arcade racers people seem to either forget or just don’t know about trackmania games. They aren’t perfect by any means but id certainly consider them among the best

DdCno1,

Trackmania Nations has to be the peak of the series. One aspect that amazes me is that it works equally well with every input method out there. I’ve played this with a keyboard, joystick, gamepad and even steering wheel (although admittedly one without force feedback).

JackGreenEarth, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

Portal, Minecraft, Stardew Valley are just some you haven’t mentioned.

Seasoned_Greetings,

SDV hardly gets snubbed as one of the best games of all time. It’s constantly in the top sellers. I say this as a loving fan.

misk, do zapytajszmer w Przechwytywanie neolibków.
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

Antidota istnieją i robią super robotę, ale jeśli chcesz przekonać płaskoziemcę samymi faktami, to pewnie daleko nie zajdziesz.

Tych prawdziwie pierdolniętych nie przekonasz i z tym trzeba się pogodzić - na szczęście nie ma ich aż tak dużo. Reszta tej grupy głosuje zgodnie z tym co rozumieją jako własny interes (i to się da odczarować) i jako głos sprzeciwu (dużo trudniejsze, bo wymaga naprawy jakości klasy politycznej). Mogą być negatywnie nastawieni do kwestii praw człowieka, ale efektywnie mają to w dupie.

To co widzę jako najczęstszy błąd to próba zmiany poglądów ludzi o 180 stopni. Dużo skuteczniejsze jest stopniowe odradykalizowanie. Wyborcę konfederacji przekonaj do TD. Wyborcę TD do KO. KO do SLD, SLD do Razemu. I tak, TD bardzo nie różni się od konfederacji, ale jest częścią establishmentu więc usunąłeś jakiś element oporu przed pójściem dalej.

Thelsim, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?

One title that comes to mind is Anachronox. A western rpg with a really good story, interesting characters (one of your companions is an entire planet shrinked down to human size), fun humor and a cliffhanger that never got resolved.

I really wish they made a part 2 but I know it will never happen.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

It's an RPG made in the west, but I've always heard that it was notable for being a JRPG.

Thelsim,

It was a mix of both, the battle system was definitely like a JRPG that’s true.
Come to think of it, I’m not an expert on JRPG’s, so maybe it is? :) What else defines a JRPG?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Definitions will vary from person to person, and plenty of games in each camp will represent some but not all of their defining characteristics, but you'll see some common themes. Historically, I've also preferred western RPGs by a wide margin, so that might color some of my definitions below. Also, both of these branches in RPGs had the same starting reference of D&D, and then a multi-decade game of whisper down the lane led to them diverging more and more.

Western RPGs:

  • character creation, choosing from classes that you'll often see represented by other NPCs
  • allocating attribute points, both at character creation and as you level up, that govern other things about your character
  • generally flatter power progression (you might do hundreds more damage at the end of the game than you do at the beginning, but not hundreds of thousands more damage)
  • in attempts to recreate the tabletop experience, will often times allow for outside-the-box solutions to problems besides combat as well as choices that affect the world state

JRPGs:

  • usually a finite cast of characters that level up more or less only in one way, but you might have a secondary system for them to customize with equipment beyond weapons and armor
  • combat usually doesn't involve positioning on something like a tactical map but rather a line of combatants on each side of the screen
  • magic and abilities are more often limited by a magic points resource instead of a rest system
  • dialogue with NPCs tends to be more limited in choices, telling a more linear narrative

I'll be honest, trying to differentiate these two with a list of bullet points was harder than I thought it would be to articulate. I'm almost more inclined to just say "I know it when I see it", haha. But for some points of reference, I'd say Baldur's Gate 3, Pillars of Eternity, and The Witcher 3 are western RPGs; Final Fantasy VII, Persona 5, and Pokemon are JRPGs; Sea of Stars is a JRPG that isn't made by a Japanese developer; and while also an action game, Dark Souls is closer to being a western RPG than a JRPG.

Thelsim,

When you put it like that I suppose Anachronox is definitely more of a JRPG. Either way, it’s a really good game :)

Thank you for your thorough explanation!

Kwakigra,
@Kwakigra@beehaw.org avatar

I think of it as a branching development becoming different design sensibilities. CRPGs influenced the game Dragon Quest, but JRPGS after DQ were influenced specifically by DQ and the games inspired from it such as the original Final Fantasy. CRPGS, MUDS, Dnd games, and Ultima became the basis for the Western sensibility which initially developed separately from the Dragon Quest branch (although there is still some crossover). This being the case, nowadays each region can make either Western RPGS or JRPGS because we all have pretty easy access to a lot of each others’ games and developers can make the games they prefer to make influenced by what they like regardless of its origin.

Undertale is a JRPG from the West. The maker of the game began making Rom hacks for Earthbound, a JRPG, and used the skills they learned doing that do create their own game. Dragon Quest>Earthbound>Undertale is pure JRPG. Other examples I can think of are messier, but that’s kind of the point.

roterabe, do games w This console generation seems skippable

Let’s put it this way. Split screen was a mostly console exclusive feature before some genius decided to kill it off. Locking multiplayer behind a pay wall at some point was also the stupidest idea I’ve ever seen.

Most new titles for consoles are exactly as enjoyable on PC. The experience is almost identical. Companies prefer it this way too.

They can make a nice exclusive and release it for PC 2 years later to reap double the profit.

The above has me thinking that consoles are becoming a niche. I’d just get a steam deck for portable gaming and a play pass for the exclusives not yet available on PC.

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