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Coelacanth, do games w Patient Gamers - Weekly Recommendations Thread: What are you playing this week?
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Finishing up Pentiment probably later today, and it will be nice to have it over and done with. I will appreciate having played it, but I can’t say actually playing it was all that fun. It’s beautiful, it’s well-researched and it has some interesting plots and characters in it but… god damn is it ever slow. Between the laboriously slow and often banal and uninteresting conversations and the lack of fast travel leading to half your playing time being watching your character slowly waddling across Tassing the game feels like an absolute slog to play.

I’ve been breaking up the tedium with https://store.steampowered.com/app/1721060/Mandragora_Whispers_of_the_Witch_Tree/. I’ve had my eye on it as it’s written by Bloodlines-writer Brian Mitsoda, and at 25% off on the summer sale I thought why not.

It’s a Metroidvania Soulslike with a skill tree inspired by Path of Exile, and I’m really liking what I’m seeing so far. The combat has been solid, the build diversity seems great and the bosses have been good. The game is beautiful with a lovely art style and the level design is really good too.

From what I’ve seen so far I recommend checking it out if you like these types of games!

yoriaiko, do games w Old gamers don't understand what mobile gaming has become

Super fancy shinny quad AAAA game with photorealistic (2025 edition) graphics that You can talk about on dedicated forums, that maybe 5 other persons in Your area ever heard of.

vs

Common, whatever graphic, cube themed, low poly game with music in midi… that whole school talk about and every yt influencer too.

It’s all about blindly following the fashion. Again.

JustARaccoon, do games w Old gamers don't understand what mobile gaming has become

Hmm I’m not sure using gacha games which are designed for addictive gameplay loops and predatory monetisation being the games that your kid prefers over standalone experiences is a good argument to make

LucasWaffyWaf, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Fell asleep, woke up, suddenly there’s only 30k left on the EU initiative.

LorIps,
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Now it’s just 20k

rfr_Foglia,

Only 4K!

Klear,

Only -1800!

frenchfryenjoyer, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures
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great stuff!!!

Sophocles, do games w Yep, I actually own 7,255 games on Steam. I’ve played 23% of my library. I regret nothing.

The comments of this thread give off major Reddit energy. Sure the post is a little fedora-lordish but why not add meaningful input by discussing the value of games and their stories like the post suggests, rather than bashing a stranger for no reason other than hypercriticalism?

It’s not a crime to enjoy something. Just because someone has a differing view does not make it a wrong view. And honestly if I get downvoted, it kinda proves that lemmings just critisize others and hate when someone is critical of them. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I too have chosen to spend a good chunk of my money on games, and came to, you know the “games” lemmy instance, to talk about them. That’s not hyper-consumerism, its me finding happiness in a world where there’s not much to be happy about. Like op said, it’s a way to escape, explore, and lose yourself.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Exactly!

And it’s highly unlikely that OP is playing 100% new-releases, especially w/ that 200+ installed games, so they’re probably getting a bunch of those well below store price (i.e. through bundles and whatnot). I have several hundred games, many of which I haven’t played, and most of those came in a bundle that included a couple games I did play (and the total price was significantly less than the retail price of the games I did play).

I’m guessing that’s OP’s case, and given how many they claim to have played, I’m guessing they have a lot of time to play games.

atomicpoet,

You are correct. I have never once bought a new release on Steam.

Black Myth: Wukong tempted me. But I did not cave to temptation.

mohab,

Sure the post is a little fedora-lordish but why not add meaningful input by discussing the value of games and their stories like the post suggests, rather than bashing a stranger for no reason other than hypercriticalism?

Because the post doesn't suggest anything. It's a random stranger gloating about spending thousands of dollars on games they barely play. No interest in starting any meaningful conversation whatsoever. OP did not say anything meaningful or specific about their favorite "stories" or "moments" in games, and did not show any interest in learning about yours or ours.

It's not a crime to enjoy something. Just because someone has a differing view does not make it a wrong view. And honestly if I get downvoted, it kinda proves that lemmings just critisize others and hate when someone is critical of them. Hypocrisy at its finest.

You or OP can do whatever you want, but if you gloat about your senseless consumption habits online while showing zero interest in starting any meaningful discussion, don't throw out the pikachu face when you get clowned.

I too have chosen to spend a good chunk of my money on games, and came to, you know the "games" lemmy instance, to talk about them. That's not hyper-consumerism, its me finding happiness in a world where there's not much to be happy about. Like op said, it's a way to escape, explore, and lose yourself.

Talk about them then. No one's stopping you or OP—although I imagine it's hard to talk about thousands of games they haven't played 😂

Let me demonstrate: one of my favorite moments in gaming was S ranking Furi's first boss on Furier.

IDK why, but for some reason I didn't know I was actually capable of improving at things. I had this silly idea that people are either born good at something or they aren't, until I picked up Furi in 2017.

I heared the game is most fun on Furier, I find a code that unlocks it, and I start my first playthrough. As if that wasn't enough, for some reason, I decided my first playthrough will be a challenge run: beating bosses is not enough, I will not move on to the next boss until I S Rank the one before them.

Now, Furi has nothing but boss fights and walking segments between each fight. Nothing to fallback on if you suck except your response time and pattern recognition skills—no weapons or skills to unlock, no shop to buy consumables, nothing. I shit you not: it took me 35 hours to S rank the first boss, and the moment I did it, I genuinely felt like a different person.

It was mind blowing. Like, what else can I do? What else can I get better at? I know it's a video game, but my experience is indisputable proof I can improve at least at one thing and maybe even pick up new skills I don't already have.

This lead me to re-examine and rebuild my idea of who I am and what I can do, snapped me out of my chronic depression, and eventually lead to a career change.

I still carry that feeling with me. Every time I pick up a new action game, I get excited about the learning process, and what I can accomplish after 35 hours.

What about you? Is there any moment you always carry with you?

Now, that wasn't hard, was it? Wouldn't it have been nice if OP did this instead of generically gloating about amassing a huge library of games they barely play?

atomicpoet, (edited )

Because the post doesn’t suggest anything.

I mean, I wrote a whole lot of text explaining why I collect so many games.

It’s a random stranger gloating about spending thousands of dollars on games they barely play.

I haven’t even told you how much money I’ve spent. And of the money I’ve spent, it’s not exactly a lot. I know people who’ve spent more money on hardware than I’ve spent on games.

No interest in starting any meaningful conversation whatsoever.

And yet, there’s lots of conversation here. You’ve already written paragraphs. Go figure.

OP did not say anything meaningful or specific about their favorite “stories” or “moments” in games

If you want to see posts where I talk about specific games, just go through my history.

and did not show any interest in learning about yours or ours.

If you want to share your story, do so. Actually, you already did.

You or OP can do whatever you want, but if you gloat about your senseless consumption habits online while showing zero interest in starting any meaningful discussion

Oh, there’s sense. Maybe not sense in your prescribed manner, but there’s sense.

don’t throw out the pikachu face when you get clowned.

I really don’t mind the many different reactions.

Talk about them then. No one’s stopping you or OP—although I imagine it’s hard to talk about thousands of games they haven’t played 😂

Yep, no one’s stopping me – which is why I talk about specific games.

Wouldn’t it have been nice if OP did this instead of generically gloating about amassing a huge library of games they barely play?

Just because you’re seeing this post here now doesn’t mean I don’t talk about specific games elsewhere. In fact, if you go through my posting history, you can see all the many times I talk about my experiences with games. Feel free to comment on them.

The reason why you’re commenting here now, and not on my post about Curse: Eye of Isis is because this specific post created an emotional reaction in you.

Or hell, you can look on my Akkoma account. I posted this about Judge Dredd: Dredd vs. Death last night:

atomicpoet.org/notice/AvkWBhY1PJvUqiElYu

mohab,

I mean, I wrote a whole lot of text explaining why I collect so many games.

And suggested nothing.

I haven't even told you how much money I've spent.

You said a few thousand dollars, which's exactly what I said. Why you acting like I made up a number?

You've already written paragraphs. Go figure.

No thanks to you.

If you want to see posts where I talk about specific games, just go through my history.

Yeah, I may actually. Wish this was one of them.

Oh, there's sense. Maybe not sense in your prescribed manner, but there's sense.

Go ahead and walk me through it, please.

The reason why you're commenting here now, and not on my post about Curse: Eye of Isis is because this specific post created an emotional reaction in you.

Not really. The reason I'm commenting here now is the original comment I replied to criticized my response to your post. I commented on your post and moved on—feed here is just too short I ended up seeing it again shortly after.

And the reason I'm not commenting on your Curse: Eye of Isis post is I never saw it in my feed. Simple as that.

Or hell, you can look on my Akkoma account. I posted this game about Judge Dredd: Dredd vs. Death last night: https://atomicpoet.org/notice/AvkWBhY1PJvUqiElYu

Nice, keep at it. Doesn't change the fact that the post we're in RN is low effort and deserves criticism.

Sophocles,

Found the type of lemming I was referencing. Here I was simply posting an ambiguous critical commment and they go defensive mode for no reason. Hypercritical, overpolitical, and wrote paragraphs about a game to prove a point rather than to express passion for said games.

https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/4a638bc0-0744-46ae-8434-ac897f030488.png

mohab,

My bad. Didn't know I was replying to a bot. Didn't even know we have bots here, TBH. TIL.

DNU, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

99.09%🙏🙏

courval, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Can we do a stop killing children now?

conartistpanda,

But they yummy

mholiv,

Because saving video games and stopping the killing of children are mutually exclusive???

courval,

I didn’t say they were. They are particularly useful for “hiding our heads” and forget about the shitty world. They play a big roll keeping me sane and I respect the art very much. I would just like to see the same kind of effort put into to it.

mholiv,

After you edited it, it is more clear now. You should have phrased it that way to begin with.

courval,

Didn’t edited mate but glad you read it positively.

SomethingBurger,

This is a EU initiative but you’re free to create one in the US.

scrubbles, do games w My statue Peebee (Mass Effect Andromeda)
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Personally I couldn’t stand her, but I’m glad she brought you so much joy!

cepelinas, do gaming w Jilievo Game – A Fast, Fun, and Rewarding Mobile Gaming Experience

We are not turning lemmy into reddit, get out.

Manapany, do gaming w Jilievo Game – A Fast, Fun, and Rewarding Mobile Gaming Experience

Can we ban this post ?

alucard, do gaming w Jilievo Game – A Fast, Fun, and Rewarding Mobile Gaming Experience
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Report post. Fuck off with that gambling crap.

Dariusmiles2123, do games w Yep, I actually own 7,255 games on Steam. I’ve played 23% of my library. I regret nothing.

Well I’m happy for you if owning so many games makes you happy as it supports a hobby I love.

Personnaly, I think that not finishing so many of your games shows some kind of problem, but I’m not a psychologist. Owning so many too…

I might even have the inverted problem as I feel like it’s an obligation for me to finish a game unless I don’t like it.

Acamon,

Nah, finishing games is overrated. By the time you’re halfway through a game, you’ve seen a lot of what it’s going to offer in terms of style and gameplay. For sure, you’ll miss some amazing stuff if you don’t get to the end, but it’s hard to believe you miss as much as the new other game you could have half-completed in the same time.

There are exceptions, and I defintely think completing at least a few games is important. But if I had the choice of only having fully played 20 games in my entire life, or 40 halfway, I’d defintely have learned more, experienced more and enjoyed myself more with the half-assed approach.

Dariusmiles2123,

Well for me it’s like starting 40 books, 40 movies or 40 songs and not finishing them.

If it’s a story driven game, I would never picture myself not finishing it unless I don’t enjoy it.

Also I see the starting something and not finishing it as a result of the short attention spans generation, but I might be getting old at 38😅

atomicpoet,

I’m older than you.

I also grew up in an age when arcades were all the rage—and games weren’t meant to be completed. The goal was simply to get the high score.

That’s still my mentality to gaming. Most of the time, I don’t care about stories. When there’s cutscenes, I usually skip them.

Dariusmiles2123,

I guess for arcade games it’s logical, but it doesn’t apply to games like Heavy Rain, Last Of Us, Uncharted or Final Fantasy.

But I guess every one behaves differently and enjoys different things.

I’m just worried when I see my 8 year old son trying a new game every time he faces a challenge in the previous one.

atomicpoet,

Of the games you’ve listed, I only own two of them.

I have Final Fantasy VII, which is the first game I ever bought on Steam. I’ve put in around 30 hours into it.

The other game is Heavy Rain, which I just bought last month. Haven’t started it yet.

Exulion,

I tend to not finish games because I don’t always have as much time to commit to some games, loose steam a bit. then I jump into the next game that my friends want to play together. It can be frustrating sometimes but I think I have accepted it as my cycle now.

Acamon,

I’m older than you my friend, and it’s acurallt only something that I came to terms with in my 40s. When I was younger I did feel that pressure and expectation to complete stuff. Now I have no issue switching a movie off after an hour or stopping a book before the end. Life’s too short! And sure a story game I’m really enjoying, why wouldn’t i finish it? And play the sequel! But if I’ve played 100+ hours of skyrim without geting close to the end, and I don’t think it reduced my enjoyment. And if I’m getting bored of a metrovania I don’t see the point in grinding til it’s done.

sugar_in_your_tea,

not finishing so many of your games shows some kind of problem

If they’ve played 23%, that’s a lot of games, as in, well over 1k. Thy said nothing about how many they’ve finished, but I don’t think “finishing” is all that important.

What I’m more interested in is how much time they have for playing games. What’s they’re lifestyle like that they can play nearly 2k games while also accomplishing other life goals? It’s not an unreasonable amount, just sufficiently high that it raises some eyebrows.

I feel like it’s an obligation for me to finish a game unless I don’t like it.

If OP isn’t finishing any games, yeah, I agree. But there are a ton of games that I don’t find worth finishing, in any sense you define that, but that I still find worth playing.

For example, I didn’t finish Brutal Legend because I really didn’t like the RTS bits at the end. I still love that game and recommend it, but I only recommend it w/ the caveat that the ending is quite different from the rest of the game and it’s okay to bail. That type of game isn’t going to have an amazing ending, so the risk of not seeing the ending is pretty small (and I can always look that up on YT or elsewhere if I want). I did the same for Clustertruck because the ending had an insane difficulty spike on the last level and I just didn’t care enough to finish it.

However, other times I have pushed through, such as Ys 1 Chronicles, which has an insane difficulty spike on the final boss. I am happy I pushed through, because I really liked the world and the ending, which feeds into the next game (in fact, on Steam, it automatically started Ys II after finishing Ys 1). I ended up not liking Ys II as much (still finished), but I really liked the tie-over from the first to the second.

So yeah, I don’t fault someone for not finishing games, but I do think they’re missing out if they never finish games.

atomicpoet,

What I’m more interested in is how much time they have for playing games. What’s they’re lifestyle like that they can play nearly 2k games while also accomplishing other life goals? It’s not an unreasonable amount, just sufficiently high that it raises some eyebrows.

I’m lucky enough to work for myself at home, do things in my own time. More importantly, my work is entirely data driven—I rarely interact with people.

It is not exciting work. Actually, it’s quite boring. But it puts food on the table, pays bills, and gives me time to do things I enjoy.

sugar_in_your_tea,

That sounds awesome!

I chose a bit of a different life path with different rewards and caveats. I’m glad you found something that brings you joy. :)

atomicpoet,

Why should anyone be compelled to finish a game?

Regrettable_incident,
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I kinda feel like I should finish the games that I start, but I often don’t. I don’t get a lot of screen time so if a game becomes hard work or I lose interest - I move on to something else. Feel a bit bad about leaving it unfinished tho.

PumaStoleMyBluff, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

The EU page started 404ing for me right when it should have hit 1 mil; are we being trolled?

Edit: nvm worked from desktop. Maybe just hug of death.

oce, (edited )
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It is still getting hugged, I guess people are rushing to add their names now that it is a won battle.
Edit: managed to load at 999,614.

PumaStoleMyBluff,

I am a little worried that some of the surge in signatures has been botting, but I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

Wizard_Pope,
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You need to identify yourself with a state issued form of identification so I doubt botting happened.

PumaStoleMyBluff,

Depends heavily on country.

SomethingBurger,

Not in every country. In about half of them, you only need to provide a name, address and date of birth.

Wizard_Pope,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Sheesh. Was jot aware of that. Still hope people were not dumb enough to bot it.

Klear,

Some definitely were, but hopefully not too many. There’s still almost a whole month left to build up a solid buffer.

Wizard_Pope,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Well to be honest if the only info needed is like name and date of birth I could just enroll my whole family and technically all would be legitimate signatures right?

SomethingBurger,

Correct, although that would be technically illegal but no one will check. However, bots and trolls who spammed faked addresses will most certainly have their signatures invalidated.

Hobo, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Both are past 100k now! I want to issue a special “fuck you” to all the idiot streamers that tried to kill SKG. And of course a special “go fuck yourself” to PirateSoftware and Asmongold for being fuckwit right wing tools for corporations. You have a special place in my heart as illiterate lapdogs to shitty corporations and right wing shills.

paraphrand,

They tried to kill it? Really? Like, “we must stop this from going forward!” In that way? Why would anyone attempt to stop it?

I still think this is going to fail. But I’m not trying to stop it. I hope it succeeds.

I also find the debate bros involved to be annoying.

Hobo, (edited )

Yep they actively campaigned against the petition and fundamentally misrepresented it.

10 months ago PirateSoftware started a campaign against it starting here-ish: youtu.be/ioqSvLqB46Y

Also 10 months Asmongold did a react video that supported PirateSoftware: youtu.be/AhVsyhjcndw

PirateSoftware refused to acknowledge that he got several things wrong, and even refused to acknowledge it when confronted. He actively bans people with dissenting opinions in his stream so it wasn’t surprising that he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. About a week ago Charlie (aka Penguinz0) confronted him about it and he still refused respond to basic factual inaccuracies: youtu.be/6sJpTCitKqw

Ross did a video talking about the whole thing last week as well: youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo

There’s a lot more to it, but that’s the broad strokes. I hope PirateSoftware’s stream keeps declining until he is relegated to complete obscurity. Also, PirateSoftware can eat my entire ass.

lowleekun,

Asmonpoop is a moronic bum and people went from “this weirdo is strangely entertaining” to " let me hear what my moronic hobo-idol has to say about this".

It is a little bit like how people supported Drumpf as a joke first.

SoftestSapphic,
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

Pirate Software too.

They’re both such idiot trolls.

Hobo, (edited )

PirateSoftware is what dumb people thinks a smart person acts like. His audience can’t even pay attention unless he draws boxes in paint. I do understand how he can seem initially likeable, but if you watch him for more than a couple of hours you’ll see his knowledge is shallower than a spilled glass of water.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Still in disbelief people think SKG is going to work. The premise fucking genocides the MMORPG genre. You kill games by implementing this horrible understanding of how games work.

I have never seen more people support games who have no fucking idea how games work and it’s the most frustrating shit ever. Pirate Software is right. It’s not even a debate.

SoftestSapphic,
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t.

It just requires that you provide a verson people can host themselves if you take your game offline.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

And if a company refuses? They’re dead anyway. This is not well thought out and PS called it out. You have no actionable solution but are calling for one to just appear.

SoftestSapphic,
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

If they refuse to make a totally reasonable addition to their game then yeah they can’t publish it wow what a concept.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Lol so just kill all MMORPGs. Got it. You’re so smart.

SoftestSapphic,
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

I can literally play WOW private servers right now. I can host my own private server and play it single-player.

What is being required is not complicated or difficult.

If a developer wants to destroy their own project instead of taking the extra week of work it takes to let people locally host then that sounds like a really dumb decision.

You’re literally whining about nothing.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Oh okay then just make private servers for “dead” games. It’s just that easy. What’s your problem then?

You keep contradicting yourself and it’s embarrassing

SoftestSapphic,
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

No, it’s much more reasonable to make devs put the hosting oprions they use in the code of the game for others to use instead of a community having to reverse engineer the net code and build their own tool.

Your contradictions are destroying your argument dude. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Lol you not understanding why that can’t happen is what’s sending me. There are so many issues with just the PREMISE of this that you don’t even address.

At what point is a game considered dead? When is a company obligated to provide access? Will the company be legally obligated to release character profiles? If yes, how does one stop third parties from modifying it/cheating prior to hosting? If no, it’s everyone expected to restart ion company death? How will this access be granted or hosted? How long will this need to be available for? Who pays to keep this information hosted for that duration?

There are so many fucking questions unanswered because you seem to think you can just throw fucking LAN ports on a game and it just work. Your brain is stuck in 2004 where all you needed was an IP address and port number. Games aren’t that simple anymore and the ones that are, already fucking have it.

SoftestSapphic,
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

You not understanding the technology of game development has nothing to do with this fair ruling.

Games used to always come with an option to play somehow by yourself offline.

Sorry but this isn’t a big issue, developers can do the bare minimum to make sure people are able to play a videogame they pay money for.

You’re gonna have to go find someone else to whine at about this now because I’m done engaging with you.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

“Games used to have it but I’m going to ignore why they don’t now and demand it be like it used to be”

You’re bitching about the evolution of games, demanding they return to suit your preference without explaining how.

Congrats, you’re old and out of touch. Or just dumb. I don’t give a shit which, just stop spewing misinformation.

Hobo,

Hold on there buddy! There’s no reason to be derogatory towards hobos like that. I don’t think I’ve ever been quite so offended on the internet as to have someone associate my good (user)name with the likes of Asmongold. If you don’t bring that down a notch I’m gonna send the ghost of Woody Guthrie to haunt you until your dying days.

HalfSalesman,

I don’t like Asmon but my understanding is he supports SKG. Am I wrong?

Also I saw a clip of SomeOrdinaryGamers, which indicated that he tempered his support with a dash of (wrong) both-sides-ism. But it was only a clip.

Hobo,

Asmongold does that. Like the dude doesn’t have any real opinions other than what gets views. If he sees the winds changing he’ll pull a 180 in order to take the heat off himself. He also has hoards of followers and youtube minions to make him seem far more centerist than he is. He’s like the personification of the alt-right playbook for dummies.

I mean watch/listen to The Alt-Right Playbook series and tell me this is not what he does on a daily basis: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANn…

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

I know about PirateDouchebag, but I am not aware of Asmongold’s issue.

I apologize but, let’s say that I’ve living under a rock

Hobo,

Asmongold is a megaphone for shitty opinions. Like I posted elsewhere he’ll change his opinion if he gets called out, but the damage was done when he put it on the megaphone in the first place. His take on the “never play defense” is to not have any actual opinions when confronted then just go right back to saying other right wing bullshit.

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