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Oha, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

Fuck Nintendo, Fuck Denuvo, Fuck everyone

HidingCat, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

Well, shit, sorry Switch gamers, you're going to have to put up with this steaming pile of shit us PC gamers had to do as well.

GrimReaperCZ,

Yep, except you can take the FPS hit on PC.

onlooker, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

As a Switch owner, fuck this. This is reason enough for me to stop buying games on the Switch and go full piracy/emulation mode. I don’t have any Denuvo games on my PC and I am not having any on my Switch.

cheeseburger, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation
@cheeseburger@lemmy.ca avatar

Is this some hardware they’re activating or software that’s going to hurt already struggling performance?

Dalinar,

Software probably, it already hurts performance on PC versions.

ipkpjersi,

It will hurt performance, yeah. DRM is evil.

slauraure, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

How is this going to affect battery life? Some of us don’t have the switch connected to power 24/7. Sounds like a bad idea for an underpowered handheld device.

sounddrill,

It’ll probably rely on offline checks

Will be equivalent to steamdrm, uplay, etc

thekarion, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

It’s going to be cracked within a week

Dalinar,

That’s not how it works for most games unless Empress goes at I. U

savvywolf, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

If you’re not intending to sell them for profit any more, then just let us download and emulate them.

It’s not a hard problem.

TonyTonyChopper,

heads begin exploding at Nindento HQ

Wage_Slave,

It's not even their company and just the suggestion here has their legal teams on high alert and ready.

TonyTonyChopper,

I avoid using their actual name so I don’t get an automated cease and desist in the post

TehPers,

You really thing not referencing them or making any content related to any of their IPs will prevent them from sending a C&D? They’d probably send one out to everyone if it didn’t cost them any money to do so. God forbid you hire some plumbers, wear a red shirt, or draw something in the shape of a star.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Isn't some of the issue there that just because they don't have plans now doesn't preclude them from deciding down the line to do something? If they release that all for free then later ports or things of that nature directly lose value.

lolcatnip,

Companies that don’t actively market/license their IP should lose it fairly quickly and be required to release it to the public domain.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

I'd agree with that, there should be a stricter standard on that stuff across the board with media.

HellAwaits,

Who’s going to maintain that infrastructure of free old game downloads? Companies don’t like to work for little benefit. It’s way harder than you think.

BlahajEnjoyer,

Drop the ISOs on torrent, problem solved. No need to reinvent the wheel, just do what the pirates have been doing for decades at this point.

Yearly1845,

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  • hedgehog,

    And BitTorrent is already used to distribute games! Blizzard uses BitTorrent to distribute WoW, for example.

    Small correction, though - BitTorrent wasn’t released until 2001.

    NuPNuA,

    Do you not understand how IP we works? MS publish a minimal amount of the actual titles on the 360, the remainder belong to third party publishers that woukd never agree to this. MS have already tried to bring the whole 360 catalogue to the S/X back cat but can’t get a lot of these publishers to sign off on the adaptations needed to get them running.

    qyron, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC

    Either open source it, lead an effort to create a way for everything to be emulateable involving the players/fans/supporters in it or port everything for another platform.

    and don’t even think about charge a single cent again; it’s your part planning to deprive people from the store.

    acastcandream, (edited )

    Microsoft should make all of their Microsoft studio games available that they no longer want to host, but they can’t force other studios to do the same anymore than Valve can force studios to do a sale/give away games on steam.

    qyron,

    They way it was written passed me the impression the titles were all MS proprietary.

    roguetrick,

    The key thing is, their license model and walled garden policies are what created the problem. Wringing their hands when something they knew would happen happens isn't admirable.

    acastcandream,

    Oh no doubt. Believe me I have no sympathy for M$. I’m just reiterating the fact that it’s not as simple as it sounds, even if it’s because of their own decisions lol

    TwilightVulpine,

    Legally they can't do it, but we need a legal solution for the quick obsolescence of digital media. Digital media can't be reasonably expected to last "120 years from the date of creation" like books can. By then not only servers are sure to be down, but every single XBox 360 will have turned into piles of rust. Even movies struggle to last this long.

    NuPNuA,

    Aside from games where the lisences have expired like Forza, most first party games are back cat on the series S/X aren’t they?

    acastcandream,

    The list of backwards compatible 360 games is pretty lengthy but it is not 100% covered

    NuPNuA,

    First party are largely covered though right. It’s third party they can’t get the rights to repackage that cause the issue.

    ReversalHatchery,

    I doubt they have the sources for the games they distribute

    TonyTonyChopper, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC

    The final solution 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

    rich, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC

    But…aren’t they all already backed up by the preservation community? Redump, etc. I haven’t checked admittedly

    freakrho, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC
    @freakrho@programming.dev avatar

    it used to be the case that when you weren’t able to enforce DRM on a piece of software anymore, you would offer it as a free download so people who bought it wouldn’t lose it

    freakrho,
    @freakrho@programming.dev avatar

    thinking about photoshop CS2 for instance, they offered the download and some keys that would work on it

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    But then it quit working on 64bit.

    freakrho,
    @freakrho@programming.dev avatar

    they don’t have to keep supporting, just not make it unavailable the best case would be if they made it open source, in that case other people could keep maintaining it, but would be against their profit incentives

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    If adobe made their best selling product open source?

    BlahajEnjoyer,

    Then the world would be a better place and it would likely use less RAM

    upstream,

    Image processing uses huge amounts of RAM. Regardless of who makes the software.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    GIMP is best RAM!!! 🤪

    freakrho,
    @freakrho@programming.dev avatar

    think about all the resources currently spent on stopping people from using software

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Reworded: Think of all the resources spent on making sure people don’t steal the software you paid to make.

    I’m all for open source software. But if a company spends money paying employees, they need to not go out of business.

    Now, do I think they overcharge? Yes. Do I think their subscription model is offensive? Yes. Are there other alternatives: Affinity Photo, you pay once for the version. Yours forever.

    storksforlegs, do gaming w Xbox boss says current-gen console prices ‘won’t come down’ like they used to | VGC
    @storksforlegs@beehaw.org avatar

    Well lots of people wait for prices to come down, that’s what I’ve always done. Guess I am sticking with PC.

    Mugmoor,
    @Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    With Microsoft and now Sony releasing their first party games on PC, there really isn’t much point to own a console outside of Nintendo.

    Do I need to play the new Spider-Man or God of War right now? No, I’m happy to wait for them to release on Steam.

    BotCheese,

    Even then if you have the hardware to run the 1st party console games on PC you can always emulate the switch.

    Mugmoor,
    @Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Quite true. I personally like having a physical handheld to play on, but a Steam Deck would do the job just fine.

    smeg, do gaming w Xbox boss says current-gen console prices ‘won’t come down’ like they used to | VGC

    Well he’s not going to say " oh yeah, wait a year or two to buy our hardware for way less" now, is he?

    TwilightVulpine, do gaming w Xbox boss says current-gen console prices ‘won’t come down’ like they used to | VGC

    I've been feeling like console generations don't need to come as often as they do now and this only strenghtens my view. Rather than making new consoles as tech evolves, since we are facing diminishing returns, they are making them larger and more expensive. Given how the economy is, and how much people can afford, if they expect to keep making future consoles increasingly more expensive, they'll find quickly that there is a limit to how much people are willing to pay for an entertainment device.

    Not to mention that the production costs to keep up with the graphics potential of these extremely powerful consoles are also increasingly unsustainable. It's time to focus on game design above anything else.

    ptsdstillinmymind,

    They are following the Apple playbook. Put out a new system every 2 years and eventually will find some arbitrary ways to force users to upgrade.

    TwilightVulpine,

    I don't think that is going to work as well for consoles as it does for phones. People can just keep playing older games. Living in a third-world country I know that too well. And if they try to sabotage the consoles, that might drive people away from console gaming entirely.

    MJBrune,

    The inner generation consoles aren’t marketed to those who already own that generation. So the console cycle is still over every 7 years or so.

    phillaholic,

    Apple doesn’t force you to upgrade. They have the longest support length in mobile. What they are fantastic at is convincing you that you need to upgrade.

    ptsdstillinmymind,

    Don’t they stop giving updates to slightly older devices. Also, I read reports of them slowing down older models as an incentive to upgrade. Late Stage Capitalism

    phillaholic,

    They of course stop updating old devices. The 5 year old iPhone XR is getting updated to iOS 17 this month, and they are still putting out security updates to the 9 year old iPhone 5S.

    They started limiting the CPU clock on older devices that had poor batteries in situations where it would try to draw more power than the battery could maintain. Identical devices with good batteries were not slowed down. Literally the opposite of planned obsolescence, but they failed to communicate what was happening which very likely lead people to buy new phones instead of getting their batteries replaced. At that time I had an iPhone for personal use and a Galaxy S5 for work. The S5 started doing the exact thing that Apple prevented when my battery started wearing out and random apps would crash the phone. However, unlike Apple where I could pay them $99 to fix it, Samsung and Verizon essentially told me to go pound sand and wouldn’t even sell us an official battery. We resorted to buying some sketchy thing off Amazon that never seemed to be as good. Kinda funny how Apple got all the hate, yet Samsung was the one that let me down.

    Kichae,

    New consoles don't come out in response to new technology, though. They never have. The next console generation comes when people stop buying the last one.

    TwilightVulpine,

    They still need a reason for people to buy them. The usual one being "look how much prettier it is!", but they are getting to a point the leaps of graphical fidelity enabled by technology are smaller and smaller, but the costs of making everything higher definition are skyrocketing.

    electriccars, do gaming w Xbox boss says current-gen console prices ‘won’t come down’ like they used to | VGC

    Well, the USD is worth 15% less today than it was when the consoles launched. As such, keeping the price the same is the same as discounting it with a stable currency. The price today is the same as $425 at launch, so prices have come down we just don’t see it reflected in the dollar price.

    lemillionsocks,
    @lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

    In addition to that we’ve passed that era of Moores law. New hardware is coming out with diminishing returns unless it’s big and expensive. We’re long past the era of every 2 years hardware is released with exponential returns in power and efficiency rendering everything that came before obsolete.

    Hell even from an aesthetic point of view Red Dead Redemption 2 came out almost 5 years ago and with higher settings on PC still holds up as a pretty game. The biggest factor holding graphics back these days is development time and money.

    SenorBolsa,
    @SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

    Also fab production is a fundamental limitation to a greater degree than it was in the past, prices typically fell quickly as a process node gained better yields and could be made on less busy production lines but you have a much higher fixed cost just to convince TSMC or whoever to put you high enough up in priority to get your wafers made at all.

    Pinklink,

    Well I make 3% more now because companies refuse to give raises compensatory with inflation let alone actual raises, so actually it’s more expensive.

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