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Varyag, do gaming w Ubisoft shut down multiplayer shooter XDefiant and lay off hundreds who worked on it

Wait, wasn’t this one actually kinda decent at being a CoD clone? Lmao. Ubisoft can’t get anything done right.

Chozo,
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They tried too hard to be a CoD/Siege clone without offering anything new. I'm surprised it ever launched in the first place.

It really feels like somebody at Ubisoft is intentionally trying to tank the whole company or something lately. They used to be such a competent studio, so much so that it's hard to believe that these major failures as of late are an accident.

nek0d3r, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine
@nek0d3r@lemmy.world avatar

I still fondly remember how Spellbreak just dropped the tools to run dedicated servers when they shut down. I don’t think forcing companies to run servers forever is tenable, and slapping an expiration date on the games is less helpful than it seems. Would be nice to enforce distributing those tools on shutdown, but that seems like a difficult fight considering what right to repair looks like.

Kaiserschmarrn, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine
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toynbee,

First off, I support both this campaign and linking to it. More awareness is always good.

However, as Ross himself posted, the problem with this comparison is that the “Stop Killing Games” campaign is aiming to end the tradition of simply turning off game servers. This Californian lawsuit, though not a bad thing, is very likely to simply change the labeling of games, which doesn’t help the end goal of Stop Killing Games.

I want both to succeed and am not attempting to attack your post, just provide clarity.

For more context: youtu.be/sitLQg02Mn4

DreamlandLividity,

IMO if every such game came with a large “Playable until [Date]” sticker, a lot more people would care about preserving them. And just the market pressure may save a lot of games.

toynbee,

That seems like an optimistic but reasonable take.

OCATMBBL,

I’d also probably care a lot less about buying them.

RightHandOfIkaros, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine

I hope Ubisoft loses.

AnarchistArtificer,

I always hope that Ubisoft loses.

MonkderVierte, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine

The oldie judges need some analogies they can relate to, nothing wrong with that.

penquin, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine

At least let people run their own servers. What fucking scum bags, man.

chryan,

But how else will they sell you the same ‘remastered’ game 10 years from now?

Think of the corporations!

scops,

Now I’m picturing a video game version of the Disney Vault. “Play now through the end of the year for just $129.99* before GTA 9 goes back in the Vault for another decade! *Not including Microtransactions, Online Pass, BattlePass, Totally-Not-A-Lootboxes, or Megalodon Cards”

EldritchFeminity,

If they could, they would. But a lot of the time, they don’t even bother to keep the source code of the games that they make. It’s estimated that more than 50% of all games are lost to history because the companies that made them never kept the source code or a copy.

I remember there being a little scandal a few years ago when a remaster of a game came out and it still had the cracker’s logo in it from the pirated copy they used for the source code.

dragonfucker,

Piracy is preservation.

brian,

I mean they essentially already released it with The Crew 2. How else would they sell copies to the people who played the first?

superkret, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine

The analogy makes no sense.
Your pinball machine keeps working until it breaks, relying only on electricity you provide.
A server-based computer game relies on running it on a server you aren’t paying the upkeep on.

If you buy a game that relies on servers that don’t belong to you, you should expect this to be a temporary lease, not something you can expect to use forever.
Of course, the language in the store’s UI needs to match that. You can’t “buy” a server-reliant game.

Veritrax,

The analogy makes perfect sense if it manages to effectively communicate the issue to a judge or jury in a way they understand.

kryptonidas,

With games people used to setup their own servers. (And we liked it that way. Way more sense of a community.) So that could be an option. Allow people to run their own servers again.

FooBarrington,

What you say makes sense for a multiplayer-only game! But the game has a full single player campaign. There is no technical reason to remove access to that part. That part can be kept working without incurring recurring costs.

positiveWHAT, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine

I feel like Ubisoft is like a European EA. But somehow worse.

Brunbrun6766,
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  • Chef6652,

    Wow, why the hate sir?

    subignition,
    @subignition@fedia.io avatar

    The French are renowned for their cuisine, but Ubisoft doesn't know how to cook.

    Chef6652,

    I agree about Ubisoft. But them being French has nothing to do about why they are a terrible company (nowadays). I juste wanted to point that.

    Brunbrun6766,
    @Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

    Have you smelled a Frenchman?

    fartsparkles,

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  • Brunbrun6766,
    @Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

    leave it to the French to not know a joke when they see one

    mudstickmcgee,

    Comedy. English “hate” on the French much like the scandinavians “hate” on each other

    Anivia,

    Not just the english

    Don_alForno,

    “Why is EA the most hated American game company? Because Ubisoft is based in France.”

    murmelade, do gaming w Ubisoft is being sued over The Crew in a lawsuit that compares the server shutdown to a bumperless pinball machine

    Ubisoft pulled the ol’ snippy Johnson

    They… Circumcised it?

    Badeendje, do games w Steam tighten rules for games with season pass DLC
    @Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

    It will just cause promises to be more vague

    delticus, do games w Steam tighten rules for games with season pass DLC

    Honestly, about time. Really have to keep those companies who sell promises with season passes accountable.

    AceFuzzLord,

    You’re saying you don’t wanna buy a season pass for your new triple AAA game that costs $50 and gives you a new cosmetic skin every month for the next 2 months?

    /s

    SplashJackson, do games w Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024's launch has been marred by long load times, server issues and now it has overwhelmingly negative reviews

    I heard that you can’t even fly a pterodactyl.

    Pathetic

    TheFeatureCreature, do games w Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024's launch has been marred by long load times, server issues and now it has overwhelmingly negative reviews
    @TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world avatar

    Turns out that a massive Earth-scale game that requires streaming of gigabytes worth of data every play session for each user and has next to no local storage is a really awful idea.

    X-plane 12 is looking better and better.

    Pika,
    @Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

    This is one of the most dumbest Parts of this game, everyone’s complaint of the last iteration was the massive download times, and the inefficiencies in the game causing it to lag even on high end systems. And their solution to that was to increase the specs that it’s required to run the game and require a high speed internet on top of that? They more or less made it so anyone running satellite internet can’t buy their game and anyone that lives in like 70% of the US that still has absolute dog shit internet speeds couldn’t even imagine playing it. My mom still has a 5/5 mbit/s, that’s the fastest anyone offers in her area, even downloading the previous game took ages there’s no way in hell I’m going to recommend her buying this game

    Pika, do games w Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024's launch has been marred by long load times, server issues and now it has overwhelmingly negative reviews
    @Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

    After the cluster fuck that was their previous release on top of the mass amount of actual DLC so I can’t just buy the game and run with it, there was no way in hell I would buy this game.

    The last flight Sim game that I had was flight simulator x, and honestly even that one if I hadn’t got it as a gift I probably wouldn’t have purchased because even that, the amount of DLC that it had was outrageous, I was lucky enough that I got it on disc so I’m not bombarded with them all the time, but I had looked at the steam page because I was curious about it and man was I in for a shock.

    I wish I still had all the discs to my flight simulator 2004, it did basically the same exact thing that X did, and arguably was better than the previous iteration of flight simulator without all of the stupid paywalls. I just threw the disc in and it ran, didn’t have to wait days for it to download, it didn’t monopolize part of my drive and it didn’t need a NASA supercomputer plus Internet to run

    ocassionallyaduck, do games w Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024's launch has been marred by long load times, server issues and now it has overwhelmingly negative reviews

    God I love having a future where my ability to play a fucking flight simulator depends on both internet access and server reliability.

    Completely unnecessary to boot. Store a low res copy locally, offer the high res as regional packs. 0 reason to stream this data in.

    echodot,

    Wouldn’t that end up being hundreds of gigabytes per region file?

    ocassionallyaduck,

    For low res, no.

    Hi res, sure. Make it optional, or let players download the region they like. Or just the airports with much lower res landscapes, etc etc.

    Or just, let them have it all and make these choices. Memory is CHEAP nowadays. If you’re a flight sim enthusiast, a few terabytes for the map data is the least expensive part of your setup by far.

    n1ck_n4m3,
    @n1ck_n4m3@lemmy.world avatar

    Precisely this – I don’t remember anyone complaining that the FS2020 install size was too large, even if its install size was the butt of a few good-natured jokes. They’ve solved a problem that didn’t exist and in doing so have turned FS into an always online internet-connected live service instead of a game. I’m not touching this game with a 40 foot aileron until an offline mode of some quality exists.

    Pieisawesome,

    Fs2020 streamed assets, too

    n1ck_n4m3,
    @n1ck_n4m3@lemmy.world avatar

    Sure, but it had an offline mode and had a base level globe that was downloaded when the game was installed that you could use immediately and didn’t require live cloud connectivity in order for basic functionality to work. Additionally, it allowed you to pre-download large chunks of high detailed land for offline use as well.

    russjr08,

    All I wanted them to change was the fact that the installer for the game in 2020 would download then decompress one file at a time, so it took forever for the game to install (on top of the fact that it uses an in-game installer in the first place).

    I don’t have the new version, but based on what I’ve been reading they sure curled the monkey paw this time.

    chiliedogg,

    Supposedly, the full map is measured in petabytes.

    This is actually a perfectly reasonable use of streaming assets for full-resolution, since almost no players will ever experience even 1 percent of the map.

    ayyy,

    My internet service in Silicon Valley charges like $1/GB above 1TB of usage per month :(

    AnUnusualRelic,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    Just so we’re clear, that’s a wired service?

    ayyy,

    Yup. Comcast/Xfinity residential cable. I pay like $80/mo and still have that cap. They also had an outage yesterday for like 5 hours for maintenance that was clearly planned ahead of time, but they never bothered to tell me ahead of time, and when the outage happened, they still gave me a bad estimate of when it would be restored due to “network damage”.

    AnUnusualRelic,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    I still have trouble wrapping my mind around the absolute scam that are US Internet provider companies.

    PerogiBoi,
    @PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

    If you want a functional flight simulator that doesn’t require you constantly online , try out XPlane or Aerofly FS4. These games will work even if Microsoft puts out another steaming pile of shit in the next 4 years.

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