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Gordon_Freeman, do gaming w Palworld’s success is partially born from Pokémon fans’ discontent
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I don't thinks so. It popular because "pokemon with guns" became a viral meme which sucks.

A a discontent pokemon fan myself I would love someone to make a pokemon clone since Game Freak is not really interested in doing good pokemon games anymore. But "Ark Survival Evolved with knockoff pokemon skins instead of dinosaurs" is not what I want

TwilightVulpine,

Pokémon with guns wouldn't have gotten millions of sales on its own. When the trailers came out people were laughing but they weren't exactly eager to play.

Given the persistent popularity of survival crafting games, I think "Ark with knockoff pokemon" is exactly what people wanted. After all, even before this, Pixelmon was one of the most popular Minecraft mods.

Gordon_Freeman,
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Pokémon with guns wouldn't have gotten millions of sales on its own

The day before sold millions (but this one was refunded by millions too) and everybody and their mom knew it was a scam since it was announced like 2 or 3 years ago. Internet is weird, if something becomes viral it will sell, the quality does not matter, people just wants to be in

snooggums,
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As far as I can tell The Day Before was overhyped early and people bought it because of the marketing. Palworld did some advertising, but the mass adoption appears to be mostly word of mouth that the game is actually fun when it was made available in early access.

That matches what I have seen from people commenting and my personal experience as I don't remember hearing about it before and hopped on because of friends recommending it. Palworld is a word of mouth success like Valheim and for similar reasons of competent styling, smooth gameplay, and survival that isn't punishing the player from the moment the game starts.

Gordon_Freeman,
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As far as I can tell The Day Before was overhyped early and people bought it because of the marketing

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDayBefore/comments/lwaach/people_keep_saying_its_a_scam_whats_the_scam/

That's a 3 years old post. Everybody knew it was a scam back then. to the point the studio released "We are not a scam, trust me bro" statements (which made it more obvious it was a scam)

I don't remember hearing about it before

Internet has been talking about "pokemon with guns" for 2 years or so since the developers were already famous because they launched a "Breath of the Wild" knock off (Craftopia) that also sold well (not at the same level of palworld, but for being the first title of a brand new indie studio it sold really well)

snooggums,
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Apparently not everyone knew the day before was a scam or it wouldn't have sold millions of units. Just because some people predicted it does not mean that the general population had any awareness of that expectation.

Gordon_Freeman,
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it wouldn't have sold millions of units

People started to sell their steam accounts that owned the game and keys for the game for hundreds of dollars when it was announced the game was some bad that it was going to be removed from steam

If something is popular it will sell, the quality does not matter. You have the best example in Pokemon itself

TwilightVulpine,

The Day Before did not sell a single million units and Palworld is not getting widely refunded, even though everyone who starts it, dressed like a caveman, immediately realizes they aren't getting to play with guns anytime soon. There were streamers showing this even before the game was out.

It's true that virality is unpredictable and popularity is not a measure of quality, but I think a lot of people are being overly dismissive of the fact that Palworld managed to hook people with something that appealed to them. Not to say it's a bastion of quality and originality, obviously not, but it has something going for it.

ampersandrew,
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Off the top of my head, there's Temtem and Cassette Beasts that try to mimic the formula more closely, and then there are a bunch of "Pokemon but _____" takes on the formula that you can find with a quick Google. This is "Pokemon but <survival game>". Last I heard, Ark didn't let you assign dinosaurs to a factory or have some of the more RPG systems like boss fights, but quite frankly, I found Ark so obtuse that I didn't play for long.

Gordon_Freeman,
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The problem with TemTem is that it's an always online game, if the servers are turned off you won't be able to play, not even the single player campaign so it's a hard pass.

And the art style of both games are not my cup of tea, the do a disservice selling me the game.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

I'm a fairweather Pokemon fan at best, but I'm with you on Temtem for the same reason; many people don't have the same reservations as you and I, so I thought I'd mention it. I think Cassette Beasts is that game and reviewed well, and to ignore it might be to ignore exactly the game you're asking for, but I'd also point you toward the "creature collector" tag on Steam. I've never heard of Coromon before doing that search to leave this reply, but mousing over it for a second shows a video that proves they know what they're making (87% positive Steam reviews). Same goes for Nexomon: Extinction (92% positive). No one will know what you're looking for better than you, but people have been making games inspired by Pokemon for a long time now.

Gordon_Freeman,
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No one will know what you're looking for better than you, but people have been making games inspired by Pokemon for a long time now.

A Pokemon clone with high production values made in Japan. Or if it's not made in Japan one that uses it own art style, I simply can't stand the "Fake anime" aesthetic that most indies use, like they learned to draw using this as refference

Think of Shin Megami Tensei (but not SMT V, that one sucks, they removed the dungeon crawling and the puzzles)

shani66,

Cassette Beasts was the true goty last year!

Nommer, do gaming w Palworld’s success is partially born from Pokémon fans’ discontent

No, it’s success is because it’s extremely addicting. Especially for people with ADHD because there’s so many small and easily achieveable dopamine hits that’s easy to get lost for hours.

TwilightVulpine, do gaming w Palworld’s success is partially born from Pokémon fans’ discontent

This take reminds me of how disappointed I was when I got Pokémon Violet, excited to see what pokémon would be like in open world, and then I realized there was nothing to do in between towns and bosses. Overall, it felt less interesting than older games where you needed to solve puzzles and mazes to progress. It's not even like there is much of an incentive to do things in your own order because every challenge has fixed levels. You could play multiplayer but there was nothing to do in multiplayer but to roam around. Due to the short draw distance and low frame rates it wasn't even like admiring the creatures roaming around felt so impressive.

The real time catching mechanics in Arceus were pretty fun, I liked the stealth elements, but without them SV felt like it was only going through the motions of having an open world, without understanding how to make use of it.

50gp,

arceus (and SV) wouldbe been way better if they learned to design compelling points of interest in their open world and not do amateur work that looks like auto generated landscape

Kbin_space_program,

The best thing to do in pokemon violet is to make the jump over the cliffs when you're level 15 and can face level 30 pokemon on top of the cliffs in the first zone.

shani66, do gaming w Palworld’s success is partially born from Pokémon fans’ discontent

I’d be incredibly happy if that were true, but it isn’t. We’ve had proper Pokemon alternatives since before Pokemon even existed and they haven’t slowed that shitty franchise one bit. Megaten is still niche, Digimon is still niche, cassette beasts (the actual goty) has an even smaller audience than those games, if this was major discontent with Pokemon cassette beasts at least would be in a much better place (since it literally released last year, perfect to take advantage of Pokemon’s unending failures). Gotta nip that unwarranted optimism in the bud, gamefreak sucks and will never improve, their fans suck and will never improve.

TwilightVulpine, do gaming w Palworld already has a Pokémon mod
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In my opinion they forgot:

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vulgarcynic, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods
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It’s a bummer we can’t decline Steam Game updates anymore. That would help avoid these types of situations. Being forced to update a game before launching it was always going to lead to this type of bullshit. Same with all the GTA fuckery.

domi,
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In case anyone needs it, you can actually downgrade Steam games. It just doesn’t have an UI unfortunately.

There’s a tool for it here: github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader

SteamDB can be used to find the game ID and depot ID: steamdb.info

Steam itself will not care if the game files are not up to date, individual games might.

CallumWells,

You don’t even need the external tool, you can use the Steam terminal itself to download the depots, which I personally find more palatable than having another application that is getting access to my username and password (it needs those to get the access from Steam). Even though I don’t think that tool is malicious I would still prefer to not have to rely on it.

  • Go to SteamDB, and search up your game.
  • Click on the app ID of the game you’re looking for to go to its details page.
  • Take a look at the depots, and click on the depot ID of the one that looks like the one you want to download.
  • Click on the Manifests tab. Look at the list and find the version that you want to download. Record its manifest ID.
  • Open the Steam console. You can do this by opening a command window “Run” by pressing «Win + R» and then enter the command: steam://open/console, and then press Enter, or by opening any browser and enter the URL-address field write the same command: steam://open/console. You can even have it always available when you start Steam by appending -console to the launch options of the shortcut to the Steam exe.
  • The syntax to the “download_depot” command is as follows:
    download_depot <appid> <depotid> [<target manifestid>] [<delta manifestid>] [<depot flags filter>] : download a single depot
    You only need to worry about the first three arguments to it. Type the command, then the app ID, depot ID, and the manifest ID of the depot version you want.
  • Wait for Steam to download the depot. You won’t see any indication of progress, but you can tell it’s downloading by looking at the network usage on your downloads page. The download can pause/resume if your connection goes out, but won’t if you restart the client.
  • After the download is done, Steam will show you where the files were downloaded to.
  • Go to the game’s installation directory, and move the files somewhere else. Then go to where the depot files were downloaded to, and move everything over to the game folder.
  • You may have to rename the game’s EXE file if the dev changed the launch options recently. You can find the current EXE name by going to the game’s SteamDB page and clicking on the Configuration tab. 11. You should now be able to launch the old version through Steam.

Personally I found that you can just start the game from the download location and it will still have the Steam overlay if the game basically uses Steam as DRM.

domi,
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Yep, that works as well.

I use depotdownloader because I automated my downgrade script for Beat Saber, makes things faster.

CallumWells,

Are you downgrading to several different versions? Because I’ve used the console variant and just run the game from the download folder and Steam doesn’t update it

domi,
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Yes, I keep several Beat Saber versions for different mods and replace the files in the main directory when Beat Saber updates.

CallumWells,

I’ve just not replaced the files in any directory at all, just start the game from the download location for the depot (one should be able to rename the folder for it to the version) and then you keep any number of versions to play available by just going into that download location and starting the game.

At least that’s how it has worked for me. I just thought that was easier than having to replace files every time.

domi,
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At least that’s how it has worked for me. I just thought that was easier than having to replace files every time.

It is, I just can’t do it because I have all the custom songs and plugins in my main folder and copying/linking all of that is a lot more work than just overwriting the game files each time.

CallumWells,

Yeah, that makes sense.

Hodja_Nasreddin, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods
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Just moving away from this toxic company and it’s product would be best solution.

Kwakigra, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods
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There should be a cutoff period for game updates. Give them about a year to finish the game they released and that’s it.

CaptObvious, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods

I honestly didn’t even know that Capcom was still around. Time for a boycott?

DmMacniel, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods

What the frick is their reasoning for this? Retroactively introducing DRM/anti-tampering does NOTHING but cause bad press and weary fans.

Even_Adder, (edited )

They are VERY mad about mods.

LoamImprovement,

The link’s broken for me but I assume it’s the RE8 Dimitrescu flyswatter thing?

Even_Adder,

The link should work now, but I also found out they were doing this.

butiloveu, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods

Oh no. How dares somebody to enhance his single player experience with mods. Let’s forbid them to modify a SP game they bought, this can’t backfire, right?

BobGnarley, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods

Ill just make sure to never, ever buy those titles and juat pirate them instead. Thanks Capcom!

ZeroHora, do gaming w Capcom adds new DRM to old PC games, raising worries over mods
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DRM in old games so you are only affecting people that bought the game? Genius

drislands,

They’re not worried about pirates, they’re worried about nude mods. It’s still idiotic, but it is consistent.

ZeroHora,
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Bu than people could download a pirate version and install mods, in the end the pirate version is way more attractive than the original.

drislands,

I don’t disagree. But the inciting incident was when an official Street Fighter tournament went awry when the person hosting left on a nude Chun Li mod. I imagine they’re specifically trying to prevent that from happening ever again.

ampersandrew,
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They probably care far less about that than they do the ability to mod in costumes instead of buying them.

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