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lorty, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

And how much of a cut would you be taking Phil?

istanbullu, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

The success of Steam Deck is the reason.

altima_neo, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I mean Nintendo’s doing it. Sony’s doing it. PC is doing it. They’re the only ones not doing it!

ItsAFake,

Isn’t Sony’s attempt just a glorified steam link with its own screen?

SchmidtGenetics,

Doesn’t need to be as powerful and the battery lasts way longer.

Theres obviously downsides like needing a connection, but it’s meant to fit a different role than the steam deck.

ag_roberston_author,
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That’s what Xbox’s will probably end up being too, haha.

altima_neo,
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It is, but Sony’s also done PSP and Vita. Either way, its more than MS has done with Xbox.

ItsAFake,

Sony’s also done PSP and Vita.

In all honesty, I completely forgot they existed when I made my comment.

erwan,

Yeah they tried handhelds, barely made a dent to Nintendo market share then gave up.

altima_neo,
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I mean near the end of its life, the PSP was outselling the DS. Sony dropped the ball with Vita though.

Katana314,

People pretty often completely understate the Vita’s popularity/lifespan. Less than the 3DS for sure, but early metrics were stupidly counting hardware sales when it was moving early to digital.

In Japan it stayed popular long after the USA stopped talking about it.

aluminium, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

Might as well allow me to install a other OS at this point

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Playstation let you do that for a while.

nasi_goreng,
@nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip avatar

I remember Linux for PlayStation 2 back in the days.

big_slap, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

my steam library on my xbox, yes please 🙏

atocci,

Can Win32 programs run on the xbox? I know there's Edge, but iirc, that's packaged in some unique way.

cyberpunk007,

I thought all xboxes were x86 hardware running some variant of windows under the hood?

Edit:

“The Xbox system software is the operating system developed exclusively for Microsoft’s Xbox home video game consoles.[1] Across the four generations of Xbox consoles, the software has been based on a version of Microsoft Windows”

"Though initial iterations of the software for the original Xbox and Xbox 360 were based on heavily modified versions of Windows, the newer consoles feature operating systems that are highly compatible with Microsoft’s desktop operating systems, allowing for shared applications and ease-of-development between personal computers and the Xbox line. "

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software

altima_neo,
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Just slap proton on there

atocci,

I'm pretty sure the shared applications it's referring to there are UWP apps, which use a different set of APIs to traditional Win32 apps that are only available on full Windows versions. I looked into how Edge works a bit more, and it sounds like Microsoft made a special translation layer to take Edge's Win32 API calls and turn them into UWP ones. I guess games would be possible to run like this too?

woelkchen, (edited ) do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
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Fun fact: Microsoft can already do that: Just ship a Windows container VM on Xbox.

Edit: Apparently “container” is the wrong term.

Defaced,

Have you ever tried to setup a Windows container let alone one on an Xbox? Even Microsoft knows windows containers are fucking shit, just look at azure Linux, it’s the entire reason for it’s existence

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Linux

woelkchen,
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Even Microsoft knows windows containers are fucking shit

The Xbox System Software contains a heavily modified Hyper-V hypervisor (known as NanoVisor) as its host OS and two partitions. One of the partitions, the “Exclusive” partition is a custom virtual machine (VM) for games; the other partition, the “Shared” partition is a custom VM for running multiple apps including the OS. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software#System

Xbox already runs two VMs. Just throw in a third with real Windows.

Defaced,

A VM and a container are two completely different pieces of technology…

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

A VM and a container are two completely different pieces of technology…

I’m sorry I mixed up the terminology. I was sure the point of “Microsoft can ship Windows with Xbox” came across no matter what.

Defaced,

No worries, it’s an understandable mistake.

ampersandrew, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s finally happening? Console manufacturers realizing that the old model, that’s worse for the consumer, doesn’t make sense anymore?

echo64,

No, there won’t be another xbox. Phil Spencer is angling to get gamepass on nintendo and sony. But he’s going to have to force it through the courts and government legislation, much like epic is doing with mobile stores now.

It’s a play for gamepass, not the consumer

ampersandrew,
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It’s a play for the consumer’s money, and when the consumer has better options than the traditional console model, the console model breaks down. They’ve got at least one more Xbox in them, whether or not that next Xbox is just a PC with different branding.

echo64,

The “better option” is subscription services where you own nothing and the bottom drops out of the industry, just like music and film. You can cheer for that if you want, but it is not in the interests of the consumer.

ampersandrew,
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I wasn’t cheering for subscription services. I was cheering that this exclusivity model of walled gardens no longer makes economic sense, while open platforms are on the rise. Microsoft is hoping that their pivot will result in more subscribers to their subscription service, but all signs are pointing to them having a rough time of growing beyond where they stand now, for all sorts of reasons.

windowsphoneguy, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

Damn that’d go hard for Itch.io

ZapBeebz_, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

EGS isn’t any good on PC. What makes them think a workable console version is coming any time soon?

Molecular0079,

Yeah, they still haven’t fixed the slow ass scrolling performance in the client and have barely introduced any platform features to their store. It’s so bad.

bungle_in_the_jungle,

I’ve been using Heroic launcher and it’s made a massive difference fwiw.

SnotFlickerman, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

Steam suspicously absent from this conversation, but I’m willing to be patient and see.

It’s a positive attitude for Spencer to take, but would have to see it in practice to be able to make judgment on if he really stands behind those words or if he is simply making a strategic business decision whose real motives are simply masked by these words.

The latter is par for the course for corporations, so we don’t have a lot to lean on in favor of him truly holding these values, sadly. One can hope, however, that miracles can and do happen.

ampersandrew,
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I think Valve in particular has more incentive to make a console-esque PC that runs Steam than they do to make a storefront on someone else’s console.

Molecular0079,

That’s not where Valve makes their money from though. Their money primarily comes from store purchases, so anything to expand Steam’s reach is better for them. Plus, keeping Steam as relevant and ubiquitous as possible will in turn promote sales of the Steam Deck. The Xbox and Steam Deck cater to fundamentally different use cases anyways.

MossyFeathers, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
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I hope whatever they come up with is linux-compatible so it can work on the Steam Deck. I know it almost certainly won’t be, but it’d be nice.

catloaf,

It’s Microsoft, so it’d be Windows-based, just like the Xbox.

Which is not to say it wouldn’t run Linux, but it would probably be a hassle to get all the drivers working for whatever hardware they put in it.

bigkahuna1986,

It’ll probably be locked down, just like the Xbox.

cynar,

Valve are the only ones confident enough in their systems to do that. Valve’s mindset seems to be that trying to lock people in is a losing strategy, long term. Instead they are just making sure that their offerings are better than anything else available. If done right, it has all the advantages of locking people in, with none of the downsides. It also combines with the perceived openness, which gains you a lot of credit with the geek community.

Microsoft are too reliant on lock-in to risk opening it up.

frauddogg, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
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What does Xbox even have that I couldn’t already play on my PC? Halo’s dead; there’s no reason to humor Xbox as a console anymore. Microsoft’s still-surviving exclusives are all mid; so really, why would I get one of these when I could just play on my PC, or pick up a Steam Deck to have access to my PC’s library?

BruceTwarzen,

Everyone says to just pick up a steam deck. You know that they are not available worldwide. I couldn't buy one if i wanted to

GBU_28,

Why would an xboxdeck be available in ways a steam deck isn’t?

lupec,

Valve only makes the deck available in a handful of countries while Xbox hardware is available pretty much everywhere, so I’d say it’s natural to assume a hypothetical dexbox would too

Crikeste,

Because Xbox deck wouldn’t be made by a tiny gambling company. It would be made by a massive corporation with footholds for tech already established in practically every country.

frauddogg,
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NVidia Shields exist too.

BmeBenji, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

Leave it to microsoft to join the party years late with a product that completely misses the point of what makes the original to their copy actually popular

catloaf, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

I don’t think this guy understands what innovation is. The Steam Deck and Wii aren’t particularly innovative. The Wii is a bit unusual, but pointer controls didn’t stick (though gyro controls have, in a minor way). The Steam Deck is just a regular handheld but with an x86 CPU.

I don’t think people are going to buy small consoles to play big games. And a powerful handheld is overkill to play small games. If people want to play small games, they use the phone they already have.

The handheld console sweet spot is slightly more powerful than the Switch. But the Switch’s selling power isn’t its hardware, but its library. Nintendo games have selling power. And even outside of that, the Switch has a surprisingly large library of third-party games like Skyrim and Doom. But if people really want a console that will do everything, they’ll get a Deck, because I know you won’t be able to do whatever you want on Microsoft’s handheld.

tias,

When the C-suite says “innovation” they tend to mean either “things other companies did that this company hasn’t done yet” or “obvious stuff that we should have done already but didn’t”.

squid_slime, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

If they’re going with that design then expect a cease and desist lol

rdyoung,

From who? Sega for ripping off the gamegear?

squid_slime,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

No dont be silly I obviously meant the gameboy

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