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rwhitisissle, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon

Deadlock sounds like the name of a no-budget indie horror game that would release on Steam for a dollar. Not a big budget Apexwatch or Overlegends or…whatever you call this style of game.

lemmyvore,

They’re actually two different genres, team deathmatch and battle royale. This Deadlock would be the former.

rwhitisissle,

Wikipedia says that Overwatch and Apex Legends are each part of the “Hero Shooter” genre (boy does that sound like an uninteresting genre). I’m guessing there are greater subdivisions of play structure that matches what you’re describing, but it all sounds like an uninteresting blend of character based FPS, like multiplayer Borderlands. I guess that’s where modern gaming is, though, since these really took off after 2016, which is solidly after my “hardcore gaming” days were mostly over.

lemmyvore,

character based FPS, like multiplayer Borderlands

That applies too, but it’s orthogonal to game structure. MOBAs also tend to be character based and you can add it to basically any game (eg. card based rogues like Slay the Spire).

But there are also lots of battle royales without characters (like PUBG or Fortnite) and team deathmatch without characters like CS.

FeelzGoodMan420, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon

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perishthethought, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon
@perishthethought@lemm.ee avatar

They had me at tower defense mechanics.

lemmyvore,

They’re surprisingly fun and I wonder why more team deathmatch games don’t include them.

I used to play Tremulous and it was super addictive to live and die by your base elements. Gives the game a whole new dimension about strategy and teamwork.

apotheotic,

Oh my god thank you for reminding me that tremulous existed. I spent so many hours playing that

Midnitte,

I’ve never heard of it, did it serve as inspiration for Natural Selection?

lemmyvore, (edited )

Here is some gameplay (from the alien camp point of view). This is another good example of gameplay.

Apparently both Natural Selection and Tremulous were inspired by the Gloom mod for Quake 2, according to the Tremulous FAQ:

Development on Tremulous began long before NS was in the public domain. If Tremulous is inspired by anything, it is inspired by Gloom for Quake 2. NS has a similar ancestry (please see Game Developer Magazine February 2001 issue); this is probably where the confusion arises.

teawrecks, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon

The only part of this that interests me is how they decide to handle anti-cheat on linux.

LennethAegis,
@LennethAegis@kbin.social avatar

Don't they already have VAC?

ianhclark510,
@ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

VAC is far from flawless

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

All anticheat is far from flawless lol

erwan,

It’s from Valve, they’ll make sure it works on the Steam Deck.

TheOakTree, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon

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I’m not really understanding why this portrait looks this way… Is the black blob on the bottom left his bent leg? If it is his bent leg, what’s the tan colored bit at the bottom? Or is the black blob some random giant pouch on his hip, alongside the other more pouch-like object on his hip? Is the bow being held close to his body (arm bent?) or does he have a short left arm?

So many questions…

Khrux,

Oh noooo, I hate this art and design style:(

Lojcs,

I think he’s wearing a skirt

ryannathans, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon

I’ll wait for the final release, Deadlock 2 /s

BmeBenji, do gaming w Valve’s hero shooter Deadlock leaks with screenshots, gameplay details - Polygon

Sounds like the Team Fortress 2 team has been busy, but didn’t want to count to 3

khab, do scifi w The dirty secret to making sci-fi believable
@khab@kbin.social avatar

This was the whole ethos of the first Star Wars films - Lucas made a point of getting everything look worn, to the point of having a term for it: the "used universe". Exemplified by C-3PO's whole look, Luke's clothes or even Han Solos's sweaty shirt.

It's a shame he seems to have completely forgotten this when it was time to make the prequels...

Friendship,
@Friendship@kbin.social avatar

I'd argue it wasn't forgotten in the prequels. Most of the characters and plot revolves around and is supported by very large well funded organizations (Republic, Trade Federation, ect) which means the clothing and equipment they have is less likely to be worn down. The same can be seen in the original trilogy with the Empire, storm troopers and imperial ships are well polished and not "used".

wolfshadowheart, do scifi w The dirty secret to making sci-fi believable
@wolfshadowheart@kbin.social avatar

My friend pointed this out for the recent live action Avatar show. Their clothes were pretty much immaculate the entire time

Cwilliams,

They also had on way too much makeup. Like, how am I suppose to believe that they were flying on Appa that whole time?

Itsamelemmy, do scifi w The dirty secret to making sci-fi believable

I wonder if this was the reason for my dislike of the costumes in one of the marvel Thor movies. Just remember them looking like a cheap cos player outfit made from plastic.

Dagwood222, do scifi w The dirty secret to making sci-fi believable

I remember an old Superman comic. Trapped under a red sun, Supes is powerless, but his Kryptonian supersuit is still indestructible. Supes is bruised and battered but his clothes stay immaculate.

[iirc, the supersuit is made of Kryptonian tech and was originally blankets used to swaddle in infant Kal-El]

Sneptaur, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Yeah, to be honest, if Apple’s model is not legal, then neither is Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo…

It’s a good argument.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

if Apple’s model is not legal, then neither is Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo…

Except it’s not about the model itself, it’s about market power. Neither game console maker has a monopoly, not even Nintendo.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Are there any other virtual stores on the console? There’s obviously physical store fronts, but I’m pretty sure there’s only the one digitally on console.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Are there any other virtual stores on the console?

No but since none of the console vendors have a monopoly, antitrust laws don’t apply. They can do practically any shit as long as none have a dominant market position.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Apple doesn’t have a monopoly though, there’s still Android. And outside of the US Android is more popular than iOS.

woelkchen,
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Apple doesn’t have a monopoly though, there’s still Android.

Based on revenue, it has, though. iPhones are being bought by people who spend more money in app stores than the average Android user.

altima_neo,
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And based on the lawsuit right now, US vs Apple

IamAnonymous,

So Nintendo can force everyone to buy a Switch to play Mario games? From what I see, consoles are locked in as well and we are forced to have PS/Xbox/Switch for their exclusive games. And this is legal because they aren’t as big as Apple? Why can’t I buy one console to play any game I want just like I can install any OS on Android?

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

And this is legal because they aren’t as big as Apple?

Apple can do whatever they want on iPads, Mac, and Vision Pro. At least WRT Gatekeeper status in the EU, only iPhone is covered.

IamAnonymous,

Did not know that. So it’s just the sales numbers then because iPad is the same as an iPhone in terms of functionality and restrictions. Mac is more open compared to their mobile devices.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

So it’s just the sales numbers then because iPad is the same as an iPhone in terms of functionality and restrictions.

Sales numbers and more specifically market power of the Apple App Store on iPhones. In absolute numbers there are more Android devices out there but that includes super low-end devices where the owners don’t spend as much money on apps.

Apparently tablets aren’t being seen as big of a factor in the overall market, at least according to the EU. The special exceptionfs announced recently by Apple for the EU also for the most part are only about iPhone.

“The changes do not apply outside of the EU, nor do they apply to iPadOS in any country.” --https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/06/alternative-ios-app-stores-eu-grace-period/

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Microsoft is edging closer to a monopoly, which may be why they’re making this move.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Microsoft is edging closer to a monopoly

Windows is a monopoly, Xbox is not.

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar
woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

I’m fully aware of that but if history showed one thing it’s that Microsoft runs game developers into the ground.

Also Take Two, Nintendo, EA, and Sony exist. Microsoft has no monopoly just because they bought a crap publisher. The lastest Call of Duty game on mobile already tanked.

golli, (edited )

I agree that it is about market power, but one could make the argument that Xbox/PlayStation have a duopoly similar to iOS/Android.

Although I think PlayStation dominated with roughly a 70/30 split worldwide (higher in Europe). Nintendo is somewhat in its own category imo, since they mostly do their own games and don’t directly compete in that sense.

But I guess in a way consoles also compete with PCs.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

one could make the argument that Xbox/PlayStation have a duopoly similar to iOS/Android.

You’ll have a hard time arguing that. Conventional wisdom groups all video games consoles together:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dadb59b9-4a82-4752-a4ab-b63fbe95f328.png

And overall video game revenue is centered around mobile:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/50-Years-of-Video-Game-Revenue-Dec-31.jpg

Source: visualcapitalist.com/video-game-industry-revenues…

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

The arcade experience of having to put in money to play just moved to mobile.

aksdb,

It’s not the same model though, is it? I can buy XBox, PS an Nintendo games in a shit ton of physical or digital stores. So there are different channels. There is no equivalent on iOS. If you don’t want to publish in the app store, no one will be able to install your app (developers with own certs and enterprise customers with mdm excluded).

themusicman,

A chunk of those sales go to the platform, regardless of where they’re bought. And you can’t just sell an Xbox/playstation game without permission and royalties

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

This is true, but they’re also now selling digital-only consoles. For some customers, the digital store is their only choice.

aksdb,

Don’t/can’t you still buy codes in other stores, though?

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

You can buy Apple gift cards in other stores too

aksdb,

But not directly the apps. I can, however, for example buy codes for individual xbox games from different vendors.

Sneptaur,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Right, but I feel that this method of distribution is very similar to gift cards in that the retailer has no control over pricing, promotions, etc. additionally, these codes cannot be re-used.

dandroid, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

Yeah, well I want game pass on Steam and Linux, but we can’t get everything we want, Phil.

narrowscoped,

I think it’s gonna get there very soon. Steam on Xbox, and also Xbox on steam deck.

The only issue with the latter is Valve is using proton translation to bypass windows and make their own thing, it’s a tremendously grey area that Microsoft has said NOTHING about, only because Steam is legit and game sale money go to publishers.

Imagine if Yuzu was legit and game sales still went to nintendo or 3rd parties, the tech behind proton and yuzu nce aren’t dissimilar!

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

How is Valve using Proton a grey area?

Mini_Moonpie,

I’m guessing that they don’t mean a legally grey area. I think they probably mean it’s a grey area for Microsoft because Proton helps people get around needing Windows to play games made for Windows and Microsoft has an interest in keeping people on their OS.

xavier666,

Proton should be called PINE instead because PINE Is Not an Emulator.

Chainweasel, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

The Series X would make a great Steambox

Desistance,

Indeed. I’ll definitely consider buying one if I can turn it into a Steam box.

ReakDuck, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

Nintendo got exclusives and its only way to play them is on a switch.

Steam Deck can do everything and is just overkill till today.

Microsoft Xbox Handheld… ehh? It got… nothing of them both lol

WarlordSdocy,

You’re forgetting the other advantage of the switch is how cheap it is. If Microsoft can manage to make something that’s inbetween the price of a steam deck and a switch it could be pretty enticing.

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