Extremely lazy and scammy way to get your customers to make the content for you for free (and as a result what little content there is is absolute garbage).
Just an excuse to implement always-online DRM.
Either subscription based or ridden with pay to win microtransactions, or both. In any case, evidently not worth a fraction of what you end up paying for it, and therefore a scam.
Extremely hostile and unenjoyable experience.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist, but I ain’t one.
I play games to get away from people, not to get an overdose of the damn fuckers. If I for some self destructive reason wanted that I could just go outside.
And, in this particular case, means the game is being sold as a successor to something it’s the opposite of, making it extremely offensive and even more of a scam than most multiplayer games.
Alright, I accept this is your opinion but the overall aversion to multiplayer on Lemmy surprises me. Games have historically been multiplayer experiences since human existence. Go back thousands of years to ancient mesopotamia and people will play games with each other. And even in videogames, they play a huge part. I’ve had countless fun hours in games like Super Smash Bros., Minecraft multiplayer or Team Fortress 2 and I’m always looking forward to multiplayer experiences that look interesting. I’m not sure what you mean by
get your customers to make the content for you for free
in this particular case. Do the devs have a bad track record when it comes to this? Because it’s not something exclusive to online games by any means.
Anyway I understand the title rubs people the wrong way because it’s nonsene of course, but I don’t get the hate. It’s almost like people want the same old stuff wrapped in a new shell over an over again when they criticize studios solely for going into a new direction instead of making yet another sequel.
get your customers to make the content for you for free
I mean that (besides always-online DRM, and scamming your victims with subscriptions and microtransactions) the main reason for perpetrating an online multiplayer computer game is that you can get away with not writing a story, or lore, or quests, or puzzles, or NPCs, or AI, or any actual gameplay, or anything even remotely resembling a proper game through the magic of scamming your customers (or rather victims) into paying you for the privilege of filling in the gaps and acting as NPCs, and gameplay, and whatnot.
You get away with selling the rotting carcass of what could have been a game, and scamming your customers into believing it’s still alive just because it’s (temporarily) crawling with maggots.
I can get any old single player game and, provided I can replicate its environment, play it and enjoy it just as much as I could have when it came out, or even more.
Even if it was possible to enjoy an online game, on the other hand, it will have been stillborn to start with, a mere shell of a game, an insult to real games, a sad parody only resembling a game as long as there’s enough victims trapped in the scam; the second they start leaving (supposing the scammers don’t turn the servers off before that, to drive their victims to their latest shiny defecation) it’ll go back to being the empty unplayable shell it’s always been, utterly devoid of enjoyability or replayability.
The very concept is insulting, revolting, and a clear intentional predatory attack on computer game players and the very concept of computer games.
Online computer games are not games. They’re a cheap (as long as you can afford the initial investment), fast, and easy way of extracting as much wealth as possible from their customers using the least effort.
The companies making them don’t care about computer games, or about whatever setting they’re raping and tearing apart in order to promote their crap, or about their customers. They just care about extracting as much wealth as possible from them, and moving on to their next scam.
And if left unchecked they’ll destroy the very concept of computer games as an art form, or even as an industry, and they won’t care, because they’ll have already extracted everything they could.
None of the downsides you’ve mentioned are exclusive to online games, though. Publishers put these mechanics in single player games as often as they do it in online games so you criticism doesn’t make much sense here, to be honest. There are also countless online games that don’t have any of those things.
Only online “games” this maybe wouldn’t apply to would have to be peer to peer, serverless, and probably open source to be safe… and, even then, you’d have to provide a sufficient amount of players to replay them a decade on, as, lacking any actual game, they’re useless without other players.
As for offline games, sure, publishers might attempt to use them in the same way, but it’s much more expensive since a minimum amount of game must actually exist in order for players to fall for it, and they can’t fake it using other players. Asset flips are obviously a thing, but easily detected and avoided. And, most importantly, even those will remain equally playable or unplayable in a few decades, while an online “game” will be unplayable the instant it doesn’t have enough players.
I think what he means is multi-player games are typically cheaper than single-player because the devs make 6 maps or whatever and let the players loose.
A full campaign requires a lot more work to keep it interesting for more than a few minutes.
That couldn’t be further from the truth. Mutliplayer games are a huge undertaking because you have no choice but to develop and test for any possible individuality and keep pushing new patches so the game can keep running smoothly. Not to speak of server costs and complex match making systems that typically come with it. No, multiplayer games are hard to make and they’re rarely ever finished.
Well… saying something is a spiritual successor to deus ex and then saying it is a multilayer title is doing what exactly? Clickbait? In what way is it a spiritual successor then? I dont mind mp, I mind being misled.
If Warren Spector is actually involved I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt but I’m not thrilled about the competitive multiplayer aspect and the trailer presentation made me think “hero shooter” more than Deus Ex/Thief spiritual successor. Also Spector’s track record over the 20 post-Eidos years isn’t exactly glowing.
I really appreciated learning how much Immersive Sim is in Indiana Jones.
You get a hazy overhead map and need to navigate lots of hidden entrances, presented through verticality, exploring to find valuables. You can win in combat through good reflexes, but once surrounded your only option is to run. There’s no detective vision, and it instead relies on vocal barks where guards chatter or cough or sneeze often enough to remind you where they are.
The stealth isn’t fully on par, since you’re low on gadgets and darkness doesn’t seem to do a lot, but it’s there. I got the same sense of glee as Soulslike games when I take a long circuit to some door, unlock it, and it leads back to a common area, providing me a new shortcut.
Did I say anything about my stance? I just corrected your statement that nothing from Epic is needed. If you feel attacked by that, then maybe try to be accurate next time.
I don’t understand this way of thinking tbh. Its free. Who cares. I never buy anything on epic. I just claim and play free games they give away. I don’t fanboy any corporation.
Yes, Epic launcher is shit. But steams features aren’t all it is praised to be either. I like some of it like the recording feature and steam link. But ANYTHING on steam involving community is absolute garbage. Guides are just meme bullshit. Discussion forums for games are filled with hate speech, points farming and incels. Screenshots is a ton of sexual stuff. Their customer service is horrific. Moderation is almost non existent. CS2 is a gambling similator filled with underaged addicts and Valve profits a ton from them.
I own a steam deck and use it everyday. But only for games because any Steam aspect involving the platform is absolute shit.
So besides games being discounted a ton, Steam is pretty shit and Valve doesn’t give a shit because they rake in money while sitting on their asses.
If you have to install Epic launcher to play it, you might as well pirate. Your odds of installing spyware on your system are much lower on the high seas.
Both Epic and Valve are like multi-billionaires in the gaming industry. So it's silly to me that people are rah-rah'ing for one billionaire over another billionaire. And please spare me the launcher comparisons, I know Steam is like feature rich, though it is because of it's stupid social features and built-in Chromium browser that it had to cut off old OS support.
I don't care for any of that shit, game is a game.
While it would have been nice for OP to mention this, honestly dude, fuck off. People can decide for themselves if they want to install Epic for a free title without this kind of toxic, elitist discourse.
same, same. Had some cheap laughs with it around the time of release - got horribly drunk, peed out of the van’s window - at obscene speeds on dirt road, died several times… good times.
But actually building the car? Yea nah, that’s some arcane arts to me, don’t know much about cars beyond the surface level.
The worst thing is (was?) that you couldn’t even build the car without looking at a tutorial online. So many steps that are impossible to figure out on your own.
I like the game and spent a lot of time with it, but when I last played it half a year ago it still felt pretty unfinished.
Edit: looking at the changelog, it’s the first update in two years and they didnt really add anything new, apart from some bug fixes and a “feature” where you can die from a wasp in your house if you leave the doors open all the time. They won’t be adding any more features after this. How can they even call this 1.0.
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