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pixel, (edited ) do gaming w Videogame fantasy settings are staler than mouldy bread right now
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I’ve been playing Guild Wars 2 a ton over the past two years and honestly I’m really glad I’ve spent so much time in the setting, it’s so not traditional fantasy and it’s richer for it. I wish that more fantasy played with the expectations of the genre. Tolkien-esque fantasy is a great jumping off point but I wish authors/creators did more with it than just start and stop there

MoogleMaestro,
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Really wish this game had controller support. I want to try it on the steam deck but only community bindings are available!

pixel,
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Yeah I agree, especially bc it’s on steam now and the steam deck puts a premium on games with controller support. But even on PC sometimes I feel like I’m short on buttons, but there’s probably some way to play comfortably on a controller and anet really aught to invest in it

Maven,
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I got a Logitech MMO mouse, and it’s great, I can play onehanded for most things!

TowardsTheFuture,

With action cam it’s definitely playable with a controller but I doubt they’ll put in controller support because like… there’s a billion different bindings and everyone rebinds everything in their own so there’s not much point? Browse community bindings and find one that works for you/your character(s).

Maven,
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Yesss I’ve been playing since Guild Wars 1, I was there when the last day dawned on the kingdom of Ascalon, and I looove how they’ve evolved the setting over the decades! I’ve run D&D games set in it, and it’s a great great time

Pheonixdown, do gaming w Videogame fantasy settings are staler than mouldy bread right now

Stormlight Archive could be turned into such a good Dynasty Warriors style game.

Story-mode is literally just playing differing characters in each of the fights of the story, you could do at least 10-12 fights.

Campaign mode could be picking one of the 10 warcamps, each with different starting strengths, and racing, done via a base building / management interspersed with combat levels, to claim the most wealth.

Tearcell,
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@Pheonixdown @alyaza I had alot of fun doing a bares bones prototype of gravity lashing in 2d. Storm light is just ripe for all sorts of video game adaptations.

Definitely a project I wanna revisit someday.

TowardsTheFuture, do gaming w Videogame fantasy settings are staler than mouldy bread right now

I mean… sure if you only play games that have that same feeling?

Like oh no BG3 is just elves & Brittania… Duh?

So play WotR and at least go to the Abyss?

Or play any game based not on Tolkien lore? There’s a ton of games based on different mythologies: Raji, Prince of Persia, Tribes of Midgard, Hades, Wo Long, etc.

Or just play games set in just completely different worlds? Pyre/Transistor/Bastion are all interesting worlds. Remnant I/II is a neat concept. etc. More playful stuff like Cuphead/Death’s Door, etc.

Or look at some MMO’s if you want larger worlds with different influence? Guild Wars 2 is pretty decent as far as a good variety with its world/races for example, even if its still similar to a generic fantasy setting.

Hyperi0n,

I think Skyrim ruined a lot of fantasy for me. It’s such a great game that many other settings cannot live up to it.

TowardsTheFuture,

Idk, personally it was very unengaging and the only way I found it amusing was through a ton of mods or Enderall’s total conversion mod. But everyone’s into different shit.

Erk,

It’s weird particularly to see that praise for Skyrim when (imo obviously) morrowind in the same series had a substantially more interesting story and world, a decade prior

FlickOfTheBean,

I think Skyrim was a big entry point for a lot of fans who haven’t played the earlier games. I do agree though, Morrowind is amazing and is, in my opinion, a better game than Skyrim. Skyrim is kind of a dumbed down Morrowind.

SturgiesYrFase,
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Even worse, it’s a dumbed down Oblivion, which itself is a dumbed down Morrowind.

1stTime4MeInMCU, (edited )

I always thought Oblivion was a much better setting than Skyrim, but I replayed Oblivion recently and I realized nostalgia was doing a lot of heavy lifting. I came away not knowing really what to think. Oblivion still held up and was clearly a great game but it wasn’t perfect and was a bit dated (Jeez I mean skyrim is also dated lol). Maybe everyone just kinda feels that special something about their first ES game lol.

Edit: I should add, I also played Morrowind somewhat recently (much longer after playing the original two) and it was also a great game but didn’t seem necessarily better than the other two.

Edit: Edit: I also played daggerfall, it was very ok lol

Edit: Edit: Edit: I also played ESO, 5/10

DaSaw,

Skyrim was a significant improvement over Oblivion, in every way I can think of. Only Oblivions quest lines were better, but that’s not what I go to an open world game for (and I found the extreme mismatch between the cinematic plots and open world gameplay immersion-breaking). And while Morrowind has a much more interesting setting (and the plot weave that encompassed that setting was brilliant), Skyrim was the first entry since Daggerfall to really give me a decent first person action RPG feel.

ichbinjasokreativ,

True, Vvardenfell was a really interesting setting because of how alien it is, but skyrim added a lot of interesting lore through books and such. Like the argonian counter-invasion of oblivion after they were physically altered by their hist-trees, forcing the immortal forces of dagon to close their own portals.

Erk,

I don’t think the in-game history books count very much at all. That’s the flattest, laziest world building possible. They’re fine, sure, but having good “told but never shown” history is worth the least marks by a long shot.

liminis, do gaming w Videogame fantasy settings are staler than mouldy bread right now

This is nothing new, been the story across media since Tolkien, really.

DaSaw,

The mid nineties to the turn of the century was a special time. We got Morrowind, Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri, even Ultima 8 had a pretty interesting setting (even if the gameplay was atrocious). I’m sure there were other games and fiction with interesting settings as well.

Then the LotR films came out, and that was it. Everybody started bandwagoning hard.

harpuajim, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

Seems like Australia gets screwed with these types of things more than other first world nations. Even a lot of third world countries have better speeds on average than Australia. Even then though with a 50mbps connection you can just download it overnight or start it before you leave for work and you’ll be good to go.

syphe,

You guys beat us at most things, but at least we have the Bledisloe, and fibre internets

banana_meccanica, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

Well then i hope phisical games come back to be a thing because i will never downlaod a 100gb+ game. They should make game in USB or Hardrive format that an user can buy at store like was with CD and DVD.

discodoubloon,
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I could see that happening if SSDs of that size drop below the $10 mark

QHC,
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Flash drives are already at that price point for consumers, let alone at manufacturing/bulk prices.

CIWS-30,

Honestly, things like this were why I thought that Blu-Ray drives would take off. It's why I bought a Blu-ray RW drive in 2014 for my PC build because I thought it would be the future as game and media sizes would only get bigger and more of a pain to download.

I was wrong, but I wish I hadn't been. At least I can rip my PS3 Blu-rays to play them on emulators now. It's hard to go back and play them at 720p on a big screen without all the features that emulators give me. Rendering at 1440p (minimum) just being the start.

banana_meccanica,

Soon or later the progress will gonna need to going back as new generation of physical disk-like. Also this depency on the net is simple unsafe, service can go offline anytime and hundred of dollars in game just become nothing. We should relearning the value of owning something really in our hands and not in virtual libraries.

ampersandrew,
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Never? There's that infamous quote about how people will never need more than 64KB of RAM that comes to mind. SSD prices are falling rapidly, and internet bandwidth is only increasing. I understand if you don't have the means right this moment, but 100+ GB games are here and will only happen more often.

foggenbooty,

I don’t have a problem with large games if I get the option of what I want to download. Most often these large sizes are because it forces you to get full 4K textures and multiple copies of the audio files for languages you don’t speak.

I would bet half the size of this game is unnecessary for the average player. We really need the ability to download the core game and then these add-ons separately.

LoafyLemon,

This would create excessive waste, and the EU would never approve of it.

Caligvla, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it
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What in the fuck. Can devs please start compressing this shit better? I know this is more of a me problem, but this is like half my SSD just for this game alone. Ridiculous.

GeekFTW,
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I know this is more of a me problem

Naw naw fuck that fam, this is very much a them problem. 122gb is fucking ridiculous.

iNeedScissors67,
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I was going to install CoD: Cold War from PS+ on my PS5 since I wanted to check out the campaign but I'd never buy it. Fuckin 230 GB for that shit. I lol'd a bit and moved on to something else. So ridiculous.

GeekFTW,
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Lmao 230gigs fuck that. Sitting here cursing my own life because I have 10 gigs of Sims 4 mods. For 230GB the game better come with a hologram that pops out of a USB port to suck my fucking cock.

iNeedScissors67,
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The only games I'll bother keeping installed that are over 100gb are my ESO with all the addons on PC, and Star Wars Battlefront II on PS5, and only because my friends and I play co-op every Friday night. But it's still ludicrous. My most played game recently, Battlebit Remastered, is a whopping 3 GB lol.

Zahille7,

Is it sad that I’m surprised when a game is under 20gb nowadays?

Zahille7,

I think the largest game I’ve ever installed on any of my devices was like 120gb, and that was The Master Chief Collection so that makes bit of sense.

Raji_Lev,
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Just one more reason why the obsession with the latest greatest OMGWTF HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the Atari Jaguar.

LoafyLemon,

We can compress textures into ridiculously small sizes, I doubt it's a problem. Audio on the other hand...

In a dialogue heavy game such as this one, each voice line for each language must be shipped with the game on steam. There's no way to split the downloads between regions and languages from within developer console on steam.

I think it's one of the most popular requests devs posted in the dev forums.

ZickZack,

Standard lossless compression (without further assumptions) is already very close to being as optimal as it can get: At some point the pure entropy of these huge datasets just is not containable anymore.

The most likely savior in this case would be procedural rendering (i.e. instead of storing textures and meshes, you store a function that deterministically generates the meshes and textures). These already are starting to become popular due to better engine support, but pose a huge challenge from a design POV (the nice e.g. blender-esque interfaces don't really translate well to this kind of process).

EvaUnit02,
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Not everything can be easily compressed to significantly smaller sizes. In fact, for any random arrangement of bytes, finding one that is compressable by any significant amount is rare.

that_one_guy,

I’m sure that what can be compressed is compressed in these game files. What we really need is more intelligent assets. When downloading, the platform should take your localization settings and only download the assets required for that locale. I bet this would heavily reduce the size of many of these games.

QHC,
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I don't think that localization would help much. Most, probably all, assets that are taking up so much storage space are not going to include language directly.

crystalcorvid,

I'd be willing to bet that the game will be available in a compressed format from a repack site with no content loss. At least 30% smaller. A recent example that I just checked, Forspoken, Original Size: 103.9 GB Repack Size: from 63.6 GB

Before I had an unlimited connection for monthly bandwidth usage I would frequently download an already purchased game from the repack site and then have steam "repair" it. Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War come to mind specifically. Saved so much of my limits at the time.

conciselyverbose,

What they need to do is utilize steam's branch feature to allow smaller installs for low resolution assets and with minimal language support without an opt in to other languages needed.

The steam deck really has me wishing Steam had pushed for that as part of fully verified (or have "great on deck" be a tier above and only for games that do the extras like that). So much space is spent on things I don't need at 800p

oo1,

yeah, I don't want to fill my steamdeck with 4k res assets.

sunbeam60,

Eh… you can have high quality assets or you can have small size, but you can’t have both.

Game assets are typically some of the most heavily compressed assets there are (it’s often quicker, even from SSDs, to load a compressed asset and uncompress it than otherwise). There’s an entire middleware industry grown up around minimising asset sizes while keeping quality. 122 GB to me just screams “this game is fucking massive” rather than “this game is horribly unoptimised”.

lightninhopkins, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

That’s insane. Let me get it on some kind of physical media.

Muffi, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

So glad I just invested in a 20TB disk for this kind of shit. Got so tired of uninstalling and reinstalling games to manage space.

Montagge, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it
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Cries in 8Mbps down

tal, (edited ) do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it
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Why do people care?

I mean, yes, all else held equal, I'd rather have a video game two days earlier or whatever, but this is way down the list of things I'd get worked up about.

Hell, the !@PatientGamers crowd waits for at least a year after release, at which point all the patches and whatnot are normally out, often sales are on, hardware to run a game tends to be cheaper, and often people have done substantial work on game wikis and the like. I can understand someone not wanting to wait for a year, but who can't handle a day or two?

EDIT: Or let me put another perspective on it. The release date is essentially arbitrary from a player's standpoint. Suppose some serious bug had shown up late in development -- which could easily have happened -- and that release date had been pushed back by five days. I doubt that anyone would have said anything, even though they would have gotten their hands on the game several days later. But the inability to preload making that same game show up playable a couple of days later has articles being written complaining about it. Why? The delay happens either way.

EvilMonkeySlayer, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

Good thing I just recently upgraded my internet connection to a full gigabit.

ono, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

I smell poorly compressed textures/media at resolutions much higher than most people need.

Come on, Larian. Be better.

Awall, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

Where is Pied Piper when you need it!

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Wew, great top comment.

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