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fancy-straw-simple, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

Stop using discord for fucks sake.

notgivingmynametoamachine, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

I mean I know “Alleged” has to be there for legal purposes, but what are the chances Rockstar ISNT guilty of union busting?

I’ve watched UNION’s union bust when their staff unionizes, no way a for profit capitalist nightmare like rockstar isn’t busting as hard as they can, especially with the NLRB currently muzzled by a felonious rapist who steals from children with cancer.

ameancow, (edited ) do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

The biggest crime here is that people are actually looking forward to a game that will INEVITABLY be the same GTA slop we’ve been playing since the turn of the goddamn millenium.

Graphics are no longer a selling point, we can make anything look like anything now. Unique gameplay and immersive narratives and interactive mechanics are now the way games stand out. Look how popular far simpler social games are like Repo and the like. look how well a goddamn knockoff of S.T.A.L.K.E.R did (Misery) and it was the most basic survival mechanics and it was made by one person and it looks like it crawled out of a Playstation 2… but it was engaging and addicting because it was trying new ways to do old things.

All that aside, yeah our countries hate unions and hate workers and everyone in power hates you and wants you to die.

vateso5074,

Just to address the potential for US defaultism, “our country” in this case should be read as the United Kingdom, where Rockstar is headquartered and the union busting in this instance took place.

ameancow,

Gotcha, fixed.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

people are actually looking forward to a game

Hype around a game is directly related to the marketing budget. If people are looking forward to the next edition in a franchise, it is inevitably because they’ve been bombarded with “NEW THING! NEW THING! NEW THING!” radio/TV/streaming ad reels for months prior.

All that aside, yeah our countries hate unions and hate workers and everyone in power hates you and wants you to die.

We’re going to replace all the working class schlubs with AI, haven’t you heard?

UnderpantsWeevil, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Delaying the game another six months cost the company a full 3% on their market cap and god knows how much in long term costs.

Employers seem ready to slit their wrists if it’ll get blood on a union organizer.

biotin7, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

Remember mindseye ?? Yeah I know it bombed, but that company might wanna look for recruits

SaharaMaleikuhm, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

No, they won’t.

RememberTheApollo_, do games w Game marketing company takes down blog post bragging about how good it is at astroturfing Reddit after Reddit finds the post
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

r/gaming is shit. Bunch of sycophants all soft criticizing games like a review magazine afraid of offending the makers while talking about their playthrough. Go figure. Heaven help you if you have an actual opinion outside of the box, or don’t know some bit of terminology or lore about a game that is “common knowledge”.

theoneandonlyeggboi,

Don’t forget the lack of accountability among mods in reddit.

They can remove whatever they want, and we wouldn’t even know it was there. This alone causes people to self-censor.

brucethemoose,

That’s basically all large fandom/hobby subs now, in my experience.

And yeah, don’t forget the shallow memes or fear of arbitrary banning.

Pauce,

Yeah if they hit critical mass the quality drops significantly. I’ve bookmark a handful of my niche subs that haven’t hit that point yet but I saw it all the time over the years on there. Even something as straight forward as a liminal space, not as a term but there is a lot of writings on the topic, subreddit just turns into everybody posting pictures of there closets and and any old building.

87Six,

I was hated on Reddit for not hating the main character of Horizon Zero Dawn. God forbid someone enjoys a woman speaking.

vithigar,

I never understood the hate for Aloy. She was at worst bland with a pretty heavy helping of “I’m better at everything because I’m the main character”, but she’s hardly alone in that, and it doesn’t usually attract that much ire.

I really didn’t understand the complaints that she was unattractive or even outright ugly.

sugar_in_your_tea,

That fits pretty much every game where you control a main character. MCs rarely have a suitable explanation for why they’re so special beyond the rule of cool. Why can Gordon Freeman take out teams of special ops? Because he’s the MC. He’s a pretty bland character that doesn’t say anything, but he’s loved by millions.

krooklochurm,

Also Aloy was fucking hot.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Freckles AND a jawline? Unplayable.

Sturgist,
@Sturgist@lemmy.ca avatar

Second hand too busy to properly operate the controls eh?
I get it, I get it.

SippyCup,

She doesn’t have massive tits and dresses like you’d expect someone surviving in a robot dinosaur apocalypse to dress. So, not porn/isn’t sexy, therefore game bad.

It boggles my mind that people fucking care. It’s not like porn isn’t freely available on the Internet, and porn of those characters specifically isn’t easy to find. But if you’ve seen some of the criticism coming from that crowd about Ghost of Yotei it’ll make sense.

What’s sad is Yotei has plenty of faults they could criticize instead. But they can’t see past women as purely an object for sex so here we are.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The degree to which people will idolize God of War’s Kratos and shit all over Horizon’s Aloy is crazy, given how these are functionally the same character.

I really didn’t understand the complaints that she was unattractive or even outright ugly.

She didn’t look like the silhouette on a truck’s mudflaps. So she’s hideous by default. But then nobody seems to qualify as “hot enough” anymore. Sidney Sweeny isn’t hot enough. Taylor Swift isn’t hot enough. Ciri from the Witcher isn’t hot enough. Freya Allan from the TV Show of the Witcher isn’t hot enough. Fucking Jessica Rabbit isn’t hot enough.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure Horizon Forbidden Dawn was well liked, despite having a woman speaking, but Horizon Forbidden West was hated on for changing the design of her.

87Six,

They didn’t really change the design as much as she was just not a teenager anymore…

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

They changed her design to fit some arbitrary anti-beauty standard. I don’t find the change egregious, but it’s obvious why it was done.

87Six,

Yea, nah, she’s beautiful in forbidden west, idk what kind of unrealistic beauty standards you expect.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t. I just recognise there’s a change and people didn’t like it. Nobody had issues with a woman being the main protagonist.

SippyCup,

I was banned from r/gaming for daring to go against that grain, and as I understand that is typical. It was about a game I liked too , just wished they had taken a few risks. I think it was Breakpoint. I had some very harsh things to say about the Ubisoft formula and how much better that game could have been if they had embraced the sneaky techie gameplay instead of the looter shooter bullshit they’d done instead. What’s funny to me is that shortly after release they updated the game to get rid of the looter shooter bullshit. So I clearly wasn’t alone.

RememberTheApollo_,
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

That sucks.

I left myself after being shouted down over criticizing a game for restricting player kits. The game was more fun without the restrictions, but fuck me for wanting more freedom in player classes.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Bunch of sycophants all soft criticizing games like a review magazine afraid of offending the makers while talking about their playthrough.

Almost as though its a heavily astroturfed community and many of the accounts are exactly this.

Heaven help you if you have an actual opinion outside of the box

That’s just social media in a nutshell. You’re either a loyal footsoldier or a radical insurgent. But you need to find your opposing faction and do battle with them. And then, if you get too confrontational, the Mods/Admins need to ban you for doing exactly what the site incentivizes.

mhague, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

I just want to play missions where I drive slowly behind a car. Or missions where I fail for breathing too hard. I’m tired of playing games with open ended objectives. I hate games where I have a bunch of guns, cars, and helicopters and then I’m able to use that stuff in the story.

Rockstar are the best at making cinematic experiences play out like Dance Dance Revolution. I just want to be told what buttons to push, where to stand, what tools to use, so I can see the funny people do funny things.

Fuck these delays I need my gigaslop polished and squeezed out now!

brucethemoose, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

…Isn’t this a bit ironic, considering GTA’s/RDR’s writing of (loosely) “plain folk’s plights?”

It’d be like CDPR going all in on DRM/corpo surveillance tech. And NO, CDPR Bot, that was not a suggestion!

ParadoxSeahorse, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

Oh right so the delay was caused by them firing devs for wanting a pay rise. “Quality” fuck off

JayFonduh, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

And here we go the first virtual scandal in GTA6! Surrender more of your time and opportunity to this conglomerate while both ironically criticizing and falling for false information for the sake of distraction!

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I was kinda wondering if this whole thing is even real or just PR to hype up GTA6.

They have done some pretty questionable advertising by manufacturing controversies in the past for previous GTA games.

JayFonduh,

All this foresight/spending/hype just for headlines to come all the way down to union busting? Believe me I’m all for a crack in the iceberg that is Rockstar. It’s looking more and more like a closed circus for billionaires to chortle at. Oh wait! That’s every circus! 😎😎😎

JayFonduh,

Yea advertising with children in those gory outfits was definitely a mistake on their part. But then people went and had to recreate it for themselves? so so unnecessary

Damarus,

It’s absolutely real.

BilSabab,

and then instead of GTA 6 we will get Manhunt 3 which will be the immersive sim with realistic murder mechanics and actual functioning organs inside each characters (including brain).

CosmoNova,

What are you implying? I just saw an interview of the fired workers striking outside the Rockstar buildings and the comments show nothing but support for them and call for a boycott of GTA 6. You can see similar recent comments under the official GTA 6 trailer on Youtube by the way. Drop in the bucket or not, but some people are actually pissed how the developers behind one of their favorite franchises get treated like dirt.

skisnow, (edited ) do games w Game marketing company takes down blog post bragging about how good it is at astroturfing Reddit after Reddit finds the post

Just so nobody forgets, North Face planted ads on Wikipedia, and then threw one of their regional managers under the bus when they got caught, as if to claim that it wasn’t really the real company doing it.

wikimediafoundation.org/…/lets-talk-about-the-nor…

victorz, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

Tangentially related: who tf gets up in their bed WITH THEIR SHOES ON bruh that’s so freaking disgusting

AwesomeLowlander,

Who walks around the house with their shoes on?

victorz,

Exactly, bringing in all the feces and dirt and gravel and everything else from outside in the streets. So nasty. Like okay, if you live your life in your shoes and you take them off only to shower and sleep, even that is… workable, if that suits you. I don’t understand it, but fine. But laying your shoes on your bed? 🤮

ICCrawler, do games w 'I think we're in the fight of our lives': Fired Rockstar employees and IWGB are confident the GTA 6 developer will be held accountable for its alleged union busting

It’d be cool if it were true, but I’m pressing X to doubt.

Aielman15, do games w Game marketing company takes down blog post bragging about how good it is at astroturfing Reddit after Reddit finds the post
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I love how so many people on Reddit are acting like this is a complete shock. That site has been a cesspool of bots and targeted ads for years now, people still believed they were having real conversations with humans? I’d be surprised if legit content was higher than 50%.

Arcane2077,

That’s just the consequence of being popular. Lemmy isn’t impervious or even resistant to this

real_squids,

And of insanely easy account creation. You didn’t even need an email.

commie,

Reddit doesn’t require email either.

real_squids,

I was talking about reddit. Lemmy, at least the instances i was on, needs manual approval

Creat,

They can literally setup an instance themselves. By the time it is identified as such, the damage is basically done. Just make a new one. Or use one of the many instances not requiring approval. Or fill out the form with ai. They don’t actually need an insane number of accounts for their subterfuge. Having just “some” and keeping them tied to conversational themes/topics seems sufficient?

piyuv,

I’d argue it is resistant. Lemmy is federated, which means smaller instances, making it easier to detect this kind of activity. Crime in a city vs crime in a town situation

ExLisper,

Nah, it works for now because no one really tries to spam lemmy. If it gets popular enough companies will pay bot farms to post here and admins want be able to keep up with moderation. Bots will simply join the biggest instances. The only solution would be to defederate the main instances and have everyone pretty much host their own server.

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com avatar

I think to an extent yes, but not quite as bad as Reddit. Reddit admins will completely ignore reports about these. I think most Fediverse admins won’t ignore them.

groet,

And if everybody hosts their own server, than so will the advertisers and everybody will have to defederate then individually making the problem of moderation even worse.

snooggums,

When it gets bad enough the default will switch from blacklists to whitelists and the user base will consolidate to fewer and fewer popular instances that are able to address the spam.

groet,

Bots will simply join the biggest instances. The only solution would be to defederate the main instances and have everyone pretty much host their own server.

the user base will consolidate to fewer and fewer popular instances that are able to address the spam.

You spin me right round, baby, right round 🎶🎶

ExLisper,

But hosting servers cost real money so creating thousands of them may not be cost effective for spammers. Paywalls are the best defense against spammers. Of course this is all hypothetical. Self hosting will never be mainstream. Or maybe? 🤔

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

Self hosting will never be mainstream. Or maybe?

No way, because posting on already-established corpo platforms is much less of a barrier to entry.

ExLisper,

What if we make self hosting super easy? Like select the services you want to host, choose a domain, pay and bam, you’ve got your self hosted instance of lemmy/mastodon/pixelfed and so on?

tal,

There is at least one company that does provide managed Lemmy services (which makes sense, since a lot of people might want to run their own instance, but don’t want to deal with security and updates and setting up x.509 certs and stuff).

kagis

Might be elest.io that I’m remembering.

discuss.jacen.moe/post/862

elest.io/open-source/lemmy

Hey dear community, we just launched today our fully managed hosting of Lemmy

We offer to do Deployment / Security / SSL / DNS / SMTP / Monitoring / Alerts / Backups / Automated updates / Handle migrations / Fully automated but with Human support :)

We deploy each instance on a dedicated VM, and we provide full root access as well if you want to customize anything.

Pricing start at $10/month (billed hourly, no contract)

Looks like there’s another one at least:

www.knthost.com/lemmy

Get Lemmy hosting that works for you

Only $11.25/mo. Risk-free with a 14-day money-back guarantee

Those are the ones that come up in a search. They’re probably hoping that the Threadiverse will grow; enough instances could make writing scripts and whatever pretty worthwhile.

carotte,

look at Mastodon and it’s practically what’s happening there. bot farms don’t even bother setting up their own servers, they just go to mastodon.social (by far the largest instance) and bot from there. and because .social refuses to have manual approval for each account, and many instances don’t want to defenerate from where almost everyone is, the problem keeps happening…

ExLisper,

I didn’t know that but it’s nice to know I was 100% right.

Korhaka,

Think I would agree there, small reddit communities are also going to be more resistant to it. Small hobbyist stuff probably one of the better ones.

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, absolutely. Which is why I avoid popular social media: you just end up drowning in AI/botted content.

Lembot_0005,

Most people are unable to tell the difference between human and bot and, to be honest, a significant percentage of humans are dumber than modern LLMs.

HeyJoe,

As someone who never saw Instagram before yesterday, I was a little shocked at just how much crap was AI generated and just useless fake content. I kept hearing how bad AI was, but until I saw just how bad I really had no idea. I imagine reddit is getting closer to this exact model soon enough.

turdcollector69,

It’s so bad, basically every post there is pushed by bots. The entire purpose of reddit is to shape opinion by forced consensus.

It’s a propaganda machine inside the bloated husk of a forum aggregator.

Lemmy isn’t impervious but it’s much better than reddit.

cerebralhawks,

There’s a way to look at the top Karma users on Reddit. Most of them are either bots, or corporate account. There’s a Marvel one that posts movie stuff, and some Turbo something or other for gaming. They don’t comment, they just post what their corporate overlords want you to see, and they probably have bots that push their content to the top. They just aggregate popular sites, though, driving people into the ads.

When I was on Reddit, going to that leaderboard to block people was my first stop. Though, I do think there are a few that are interesting, even bots — like the haiku one is amusing. It doesn’t always get it right, but it’s fun to see it try. Then there’s a guy — pretty sure it’s a person, at least — who turns posts into poems. Not quite the same. Got a weird name. Regular Redditors know who they are. “Something for your something”, I think. I don’t block the fun ones. Just the corporate trash.

brsrklf,

Poem for your sprog, right? Not been on reddit for a while, but encountering a post from that guy was generally a fun moment.

Manjushri,

Oh, Poem for your Sprog. I remember that one. Users like that are one of the few things I miss about Reddit.

demonsword,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

Poem for your sprog

I’ve seen someone who took that username here in Lemmy, but that could be anyone, no guarantee that it was the same guy/gal on reddit

jaybone,

Poem for your sprog. I had no problem with the novelty accounts, and even the bot accounts there were clearly just some dev with a quirky sense of humor. Though those got hate from the anti bot purists, for whatever stupid reason.

It’s the corporate, vote manipulating, spam, Russian propaganda etc bots that piss me off. And those are much more subtle and harder to detect.

cerebralhawks,

Sprog, that was it. Yeah. What’s a sprog, anyway? It’s not flagged as misspelled. Yeah, I don’t like AIs that steal content, but funny jokes are fine. Novelty accounts are fine. There were a few people who claimed to be famous people. Maybe they were those people. I never cared. They weren’t anything special to me. I just treated them like novelty accounts, same as anyone else really.

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

We have “Margot Robbie” and “Nicole!”

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

And the CEO. And the mods.

ryathal,

The big subs were full of bots, but for some it didn’t really matter. It a post was a bit but it was still funny on memes or funny then it’s fine. I don’t care if karma farming bots were the majority of posts so long as it’s still good content. The content does seem to be significantly worse now though.

sugar_in_your_tea,

That really depends on the community. When I was there, I would avoid the larger communities and seek out smaller communities. When I first joined Reddit, it was to avoid the attention-seeking posts by humans, and near the end it was to avoid attention-seeking posts by bots and humans alike. The best content IMO is on subreddits with <100k subs and <5 posts per day.

Korhaka,

Yeah, I suspect most of /r/prisonhooch is still legit content, but it is kinda a rejection of commercialism. Not much you could sell them. A fermenting tub? The fuckers will use a water butt instead.

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