minecraft.wiki

BloodSlut, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki

Thank fucking god

Deestan, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki

It’s embarrassing that huge and ongoing successful games can’t shell out to host official wikis, but instead leave it to the community to either pay out or pocket (not happening) or pick whichever crappy provider they can find willing to host it for ads.

A good wiki needs to have mosly text, a modest amount of pictures, no self-hosted video, and low computing needs. While an unpleasant expense for a private individual, it doesn’t cost a company much to host.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

A good wiki needs to have mosly text, a modest amount of pictures, no self-hosted video, and low computing needs.

Huh. That sounds kind of like Lemmy, wonder if someone will try to modify the software to support a wiki.

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Looking it up, there is WikiWikiWeb implements Federated Wiki, which Wikipedia describes its primary features as:

adds forking features found in source control systems and other software development tools to wikis. […]The software allows its users to fork wiki pages, maintaining their own copies. Federation supports what Cunningham has described as “a chorus of voices” where users share content but maintain their individual perspectives. This approach contrasts with the tendency of centralized wikis such as Wikipedia to function as consensus engines.

Gonna look more into Federated Wiki today, because this sounds super interesting to me c:

threelonmusketeers,

Even Reddit has a built-in wiki system. Why not Lemmy too?

HKayn,
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I don’t think a built-in wiki should be a priority for Lemmy. The sysadmin of an instance.com instance can host a separate web app as a standalone wiki at wiki.instance.com.

For example, you could host an mdbook at this subdomain to serve as a docs-style wiki.

Syndic,

While I agree that it’s rather sad for developer not hosting their Wiki, I really never had any problem with the old hoster of the Minecraft Wiki. I certainly didn’t perceive it as a “crappy provider”. It did exactly what it needed to and there weren’t any intrusive adds or at least not to my attention. But maybe I’m just really good at ignoring adds myself.

Edit: Or mabye my add blocker did help, hard to tell since I haven’t seen the internet without it since years now.

Deestan,

Ya, not all are the level of Fandom. The old one for Minecraft was somewhat tolerable without an ad-blocker. I don’t really feel it is fair to blame the providers either - even Fandom. They are stepping up to offer something nobody else feels like paying for.

poppy,

Yeah Bulbapedia is fan-run and does exactly what it needs imo.

Astaroth,

While fandom sucks (although I think it used to be fine before the redesign many years ago) and game companies/publishers are cheap, I still think 3rd party wikis is going to better, even shitty ones like fandom, because guess what?

Just like every other ‘live service’ (or even just old games!?! if you’re Ubisoft) everything will be fine and dandy until one day some suit decides to shut down the wiki to cut down on costs and all that information and community work gets flushed down the toilet.

With that said, instead of them making some wiki website, it’s nice when games lets you look up information in the game itself, without having to open the web browser and going to some wiki.

derpgon,

Maybe we needed a “Show wiki page for this item/quest/skill/monster” prompt, like Melvor Idle does (my recent example).

Swarfega,

Arenanet provides a Wiki for Guild Wars 1 and 2. They are both amazing and the second one even integrates into GW2. When GW1 came out it started as a community service but Arenanet took it in officially.

Honestly, without the wiki and the massive work by the community I’d be very lost in GW2.

stevedidwhat_infosec,

This is the best take on this whole thread imo

JackbyDev,

Or, you know, make sure the game actually has all the information in it you need to play it.

Resol, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Fandom has since become one of my least favorite websites, simply because of the ads, and the “Honest Trailers” videos that automatically show up (and follow you) regardless of the topic of the page you’re on, not to mention that their mobile site is pure garbage. It’s just pure garbage, alright.

And I’m a person who browses Logopedia regularly, which is still hosted on Fandom. Boo. Thank goodness the Minecraft Wiki left that.

stevedidwhat_infosec,

May I ask how this website is any different from every other website that crams ads down your throat?

I mean for ffs, twitch bakes them into the streams now. YouTubers do their own ads in their videos. Don’t even get me started on social media sites.

If Twitter wasn’t a cesspool you better believe Elon would’ve packed that mother fucker to the brim with ads.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Fandom isn’t a social media platform. All these others are (at least for the most part).

stevedidwhat_infosec,

I’m not arguing that tho. Im not arguing what makes random different from social media sites.

For example news sites are also littered with ads. Porn sites, littered with ads. Blog sites, littered with ads. Google searches even come up with search result ads.

It’s everywhere man, I’m just arguing that fandom is no worse than anywhere else.

But yes, switching to respectful amounts of ads or none at all if possible is preferable to what fandom is right now.

My original comment is just pointing out that I don’t really think anyone actually cares that much about this stuff, and that I personally dont like all these negative echo chambers everywhere.

Everyone’s obviously valid in venting and what not, but I figured I’d point out my viewpoint too while we’re at it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Smacks, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki
@Smacks@lemmy.world avatar

Fandom is an ad-ridden shithole

Cyo,
@Cyo@lemmy.world avatar

I have been using it a lot lately, I did not know about that thanks to Firefox + Ublock

captain_aggravated, (edited )
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah as another Firefox + Ublock Origin user, I came in here to say I’ve noticed a lot of game wikis announcing they’re migrating off of Fandom, and I’m curious as to why. I’m OoTL.

Leirach,

There’s a chrome extension that will redirect all your fandom traffic to breeze wiki or alternative wikis.

x4740N,

As a former chrome user who Migrated to firefox

Firefox is better than chrome

fubo,

Is it that, or just the reverse?

butterflyattack,

Yeah, it’s a shit-ridden ad hole.

stevedidwhat_infosec,

The whole internet is like this though

That’s why we use adblockers man

stevedidwhat_infosec, (edited ) do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki

ITT: people pretend to actually give a fuck about where a minecraft wiki is hosted just so they can join the rest of the crowds shitting on fandom (deserved)

How many of you commenters actually make frequent use of the wiki and aren’t just using this op to bitch and moan. Can’t wait for Reddit 2.0 here on lemmy.

Edit: cool downvote brigade, the point remains, if you’re not using an adblocker that’s on you. And if you are, then you didn’t have an issue with fandom. There’s a million other wikis out there that were just as good if not better, and y’all know it.

You just want to shit on stuff like everyone else. Seems weird to me, so many other things to care about.

It’s the internet, the information issues everywhere. I’d rather give the dude with 100 views on YouTube a visit than any whack ass wiki site their traffic. (o_o)/ sorry i guess

OrekiWoof,

Whenever I’m playing minecraft, so each time after it gets an update. However I have uBlock Origin so I didn’t even know it had ads

stevedidwhat_infosec,

Appreciate your input, was targeting the handful of people on the comments who are using an article as an excuse to continue pointless negative bitching

Wikis are Uber helpful, esp when you’re doing mod packs or they update game mechanics (mob spawning, I’m looking at you, ya cheeky fuck)

My main point here overall is that fandom wasn’t nearly as bad as everyone leads on and I’m sick and tired of negative echo chambers where people bitch just to bitch and claim that their venting is somehow equivalent to objective fact and not what it is: venting frustrations that extend far out of the reach of a fucking Minecraft wiki with some ads no worse than the most popular social media platforms.

Oaulo,

I’m also confused by the odd replies in this thread. Four different people used a very specific and unique choice of words to describe Fandom that reeks of either fake accounts using copy/paste or they’re real people echoing the exact words some influencer told them to believe. In either case it’s not a genuine conversation going on here.

The alternatives I’ve seen multiple wikis move to from Fandom have all been better from my experience and that’s a good thing. But shooting down Fandom because you’re stuck in a bubble of fake comments or just hearing one opinion from a loud youtuber repeated over and over by their fans, it doesn’t give us a real discussion or make any of us more informed on the topic. It’s disappointing even if the end result is better wikis.

stevedidwhat_infosec,

This

Buddahriffic,

People are going to talk about what they want to talk about, do you really think you can change that?

stevedidwhat_infosec,

Did you just now?

Buddahriffic,

Nope!

stevedidwhat_infosec,

You’ve got your answer then

Strawberry,

I usually consult the wiki multiple times during any Minecraft session, and I have been frustrated with it ever since they moved to fandom. Back in the day it was a standalone wiki and then at some point after beta it was enshittified. So I’m super excited about this change because it is a huge QOL change to my Minecraft experience

stevedidwhat_infosec,

May I ask what you were frustrated with Fandom about specifically?

Strawberry,

intrusive ad popups and autoplaying video ads, though this was mitigated when i switched to a mobile browser with ad blocking capabilities

stevedidwhat_infosec,

Yeah ads have gotten out of hand on a lot of websites I feel like.

Thank fuck for plugins and extensions for adblocking and script blocking

dangblingus, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki

Now if only the Dark Souls wikis could do the same.

simple,

It’s unbelievably frustrating to see Fextralife constantly on the top of Twitch charts because they embed their twitch stream on every page to generate views.

ram,

I was playing a Souls game while checking some info from Fandom on my phone. Unbeknownst to me the site was eating all my mobile data because of a live twitch stream playing on a muted and invisible player. Fuck those fuckers.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

The wikidots are right there, more usable than fandom and fextralife, and have all the essential information.

DahGangalang, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki

And there was much rejoicing

WhiteRaven22, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki
@WhiteRaven22@midwest.social avatar

I’m trying to figure out how to contact DuckDuckGo, so they can redirect the !mcwiki command to the new site, but no luck so far. EDIT: Nevermind, I found the form.

maniacalmanicmania,
@maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone avatar

What form is this?

WhiteRaven22,
@WhiteRaven22@midwest.social avatar

DuckDuckGo has a page for adding or updating !bang commands (used to redirect searches to other sites). I requested they change which URL !mcwiki searches get directed to, using the minecraft.wiki search pattern instead of the gamepedia or fandom one. duckduckgo.com/newbang

maniacalmanicmania,
@maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone avatar

Thanks!

DaFuqs, do games w The Minecraft wiki has been moved from Fandom to Minecraft.wiki

This is great news. The old site really went to shit the last few years, especially on mobile, with ads using >50% of the screen.

chloyster, do gaming w Minecraft Wiki moves away from Fandom

Oh wow it’s so much better. Really hope more wikis follow suit

verysoft, (edited )

I hope the OSRS wiki really influences others, that wiki is top quality, the best out there honestly. Fandom, fextralife and such can all die in a hole.

I am happy Weird Gloop have decided to host the Minecraft wiki.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah when the osrs wiki team moves I was thinking what’s the difference but looking back the move was 100% needed. The new wiki is amazing

anteaters, do gaming w Minecraft Wiki moves away from Fandom
@anteaters@feddit.de avatar

fandom.com has always been a pile of barely usable garbage. More projects should follow and self host a wiki again.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

a core issue for moving wikis is that Fandom refuses to delete the old wiki so you 1) have to fight an SEO war against them; and 2) have to contend with directing everyone to the right place or else you have two competing wikis (one of which will gradually lapse out of date). it’s very irritating.

fwygon,

Hmm. Is there something against linking external wikis on every article you create?

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

It "should" be as easy as a global template inclusion kinda like how wikipedia does donations, but i wouldn't be surprised if fandom doesn't allow that to happen

Aatube,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

Wikipedia uses CentralNotice which fandom doesn’t allow individual wikis to configure. But there’s https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Site_notice

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

they’ll revert that and ban you for “vandalism” (i assume they have automated sensors for checking this), and/or turn your wiki over to new administrators.

gullible,

Unless you’re careful about it, they ban you.

silverdk,

The Path of Emilie community made an extension to remove fandom from Google results and automatically link to the real wiki. Hopefully more communities make something similar.

DmMacniel,

How can one follow on that path of Emilie?

Evergreen5970,
peter,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I believe that extension is mentioned in the OP

z3n0x,
@z3n0x@feddit.de avatar

wait. they have something in their Terms of Service that prevents you from deleting stuff you posted? That sounds illegal.

lemonflavoured,
@lemonflavoured@kbin.social avatar

It almost certainly is in the EU.

SomethingBurger,

Not if their ToS makes you surrender your copyright to them.

Tarte, (edited )
@Tarte@kbin.social avatar

That is not legally possible in the EU. You can grant irrevocable usage rights, but you cannot give away your copyright.

rnd,

Most Terms of Service don’t do that, instead asking you to provide a “perpetual” “irrevocable” “transferable” license for your content – and while some absolutely stretch the terms to allow them to use it for things like language model learning or shifty monetization practices, such a license is also legally necessary for the website to function at all.

For “open-source” websites like Wikipedia or OSM, the terms are usually even simpler - you agree to license your posts under the same license that they use to distribute it.

As for Fandom specifically, they seem to mostly operate on the latter model – though you still need an additional commercial use waiver if you want to submit to NC or ND-licensed wikis (which once again goes into the “legally necessary” box).

The same open-source license that lets people edit the wikis and fork them to independent websites without having to ask permission from every single contributor also lets Fandom admins reject attempts to delete or redirect pages.

Cube6392,

A gdpr request on content you create but do not own just anonymizes the references to who created and edited the articles you contributed to

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

i’m pretty sure this is because of two things: 1) they actually host the wikis and the administrators of them simply steward them; and 2) everything is licensed under CC-BY-SA anyways, so you don’t retain the right to revoke things you contribute or the right to move the wiki.

Moonrise2473,

what if someone pushes thousands of edits with random AI generated garbage from thousands of accounts?

Friendship,
@Friendship@kbin.social avatar

Unfortunately they're likely well equipped to deal with that kind of situation as it's not all that different than normal wiki vandalism.

salarua,
@salarua@sopuli.xyz avatar

ugh yeah. especially the SEO war thing, the new website doesn’t even register on DuckDuckGo yet. at least there’s this extension called Indie Wiki Buddy which will hide Fandom results from search engines and redirect you to an independent wiki if you end up on Fandom anyway

DarkThoughts,

What if there are no alternative wikis?

salarua,
@salarua@sopuli.xyz avatar

it redirects you to BreezeWiki, a no-bloat frontend for Fandom (example)

DarkThoughts,

Hm, I guess it's an alternative. I'll give it a try. The Fandom & Fextralife wikis constantly being at the top search results often pisses me off.

TwilightVulpine,

I don't see Fandom winning these wars when their site is so bloated with ads. Whenever I end up there I immediately want to leave.

frog,

The only thing more rage-inducing than getting stuck in a game and needing to Google the information I need… is finding that information on a Fandom Wiki composed of 90% ads and 10% useful content. Especially since I’m usually searching for that information on my phone, due to not all games handling Alt+Tab particularly well, and Fandom is somehow even worse on a phone. I have genuinely had moments where I’ve just closed a game and stopped playing because the information I need isn’t in the game but has to be found on a Fandom Wiki.

SEO wars only go so far when the user experience on Fandom is so awful that plenty of players would rather scroll down to use the #2 entry in the search results if it means not having to click a Fandom link. They’d only need a few occasions when the #2 entry is a better experience than using Fandom, and they’ll start using the independent Wiki purposefully.

savvywolf, do gaming w Minecraft Wiki moves away from Fandom
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

Oh wow, good for them. Had a quick look and it looks like a really nice import of their old stuff.

Hopefully Fandom doesn’t crush them with their seo monopoly stuff.

Aatube, do gaming w Minecraft Wiki moves away from Fandom
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

I don’t think fandom will do much, remember Uncyclopedia?

Aatube, do gaming w Minecraft Wiki moves away from Fandom
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

I don’t think fandom will do much, remember Uncyclopedia?

atocci,

No, what happened?

storksforlegs, do gaming w Minecraft Wiki moves away from Fandom
@storksforlegs@beehaw.org avatar

Fandom is 95% popups at this point.

DarkThoughts,

Ublock?

johntash,

It looks pretty bad even with an adblocker on now too

HidingCat,

It works for me, but I recall having to use Ublock's element zapper and custom rules to get around a lot of the shit they pull.

DarkThoughts,

In what way? The sidebar is possibly the only thing I can think of.

storksforlegs,
@storksforlegs@beehaw.org avatar

Oh indeed! But websites should still be borderline functional even without adblock.

I used fandom on my kid’s new tablet (we were looking up video game stuff) and it was unusable, no exaggeration.

BuboScandiacus,

Use an adblocker (uBlock Origin)

frog,

Even with uBlock Origin installed, I find Fandom to have a very high proportion of ads. For a while I tried blocking them individually through uBlock’s element zapper, but that proved a very short term solution. Too often, it worked only on that page and if I went to another entry on the same wiki, it would be loaded down with ads again. I gave up trying. uBlock is really good with ads on most sites, but Fandom has so many that uBlock can’t get rid of them all.

abhibeckert,

Really? I don’t see any ads at all on Fandom with ublock. Perhaps check if it’s setup right.

frog,

It varies between browsers. On my phone (which is how I use Fandom most often - finding out information that ought to be in a game I’m currently playing), I’ve tried several different adblockers and none of them effectively de-ads Fandom. On desktop, Firefox with ublock is generally okay, but Chrome with ublock always has a couple of ads that try to sneak through.

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