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RGB3x3, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement

I was going to buy it.

But now I’m not. I don’t have a PSN account and I don’t care to make one just for this game.

The games industry is real crap now. There’s so much resistance to just being able to download a game and play. It’s always about downloading proprietary launchers, signing up for new accounts, wading through micro transactions, unfinished games, bad stories, and bug-ridden experiences.

It’s exhausting.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

bug-ridden experiences

That’s one of the best parts of the game though.

DebatableRaccoon,

I see what you did there

MajorHavoc, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement

A third party login requirement is usually a deal-breaker for me, but not in an exciting way. I just have a lot of games to catch up on that don’t require me to go make an account.

priapus, (edited ) do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement

The game said this on launch and made it clear on the steam page. Even if they weren’t enforcing it, I think its silly to be upset that they’ve started. I’d also rather sign into a PSN account and have functioning crossplay than deal with the current state of it.

Edit: oops I thought i had read it was to help crossplay, which hasn’t been working well recently. since its for nothing this is fucking stupid

deegeese,

Said it on launch is irrelevant.

It was not a requirement on launch, so stop forcing it on people after you got their money.

just2look,

If it was a real requirement they should have geo restricted the sale to countries that are allowed to make PSN accounts. Instead they bait and switched players who have been playing past the normal refund window, and now will have an unplayable game. Also the PSN account has nothing to do with fixing crossplay. Other games have functional crossplay without it. And Sony themselves say on their own website that PSN is not required to play Sony games on PC.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Other games have functional crossplay without it.

As does HD2…

priapus,

I didn’t realize psn wasnt available in some countries that could purchase the game. that is really messed up.

BlemboTheThird,

In my experience steam will still give you s refund if the game is rendered literally unplayable

ColeSloth,

Do we ACTUALLY know it wasn’t geo restricted, though? Was it ever for sale in Egypt, or did players there use a VPN to buy it and ignore that the purchase page says a PSN account is required for online play?

I seriously don’t know. I keep hearing people making the statement you’re making, and I agree that is shouldn’t have been for sale in non PSN countries, but I haven’t actually seen someone from one of those countries say they bought it in a non psn region without spoofing their location.

ColeSloth,

The game was published by Sony, so it was kind of a given that a psn account was going to be required, just like it said on the purchase page.

AgentGrimstone, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement

This is why I have a separate gaming only email. If all they’re asking for is an email, sure, they can have it.

red_rising,

Let me introduce you to simple login. Take that same concept and apply it to literally everything you do online. Never deal with spam again.

simplelogin.io

addy.io

ColeSloth, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement

The game was published by Sony. Of course they’re going to want the account tie in. It was also always listed on the purchase page that a psn account was required.

thingsiplay,

But it was not required, so the information was clearly wrong.

_lilith, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement
@_lilith@lemmy.world avatar

I have a PSN account and I definitely won’t use it to sign in. Why? https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/27031a14-77a1-47de-a319-704936253e08.gif

mrfriki, (edited ) do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community At War Over Controversial PSN Requirement

People going crazy over a PSN account requirement but nobody cares a shit about the game having root access to their PCs. Funny times we live in indeed.

NGC2346, do gaming w Nintendo Goes After 8,535 Switch Emulator Backups In Mass Takedown

Imagine dedicating so much budget and workforce toward such things. Just imagine going at the office in the morning, knowing that you will have to find ways to crack down on things of that kind, which offer entertainement to so many.

Imagine working on taking joy out of people.

Nikls94, do gaming w Nintendo Goes After 8,535 Switch Emulator Backups In Mass Takedown

This definitely has something to do with their next console. I bet my nipples that it‘ll be so similar to the switch that an existing Yuzu would be capable enough to emulate / hack that new console within a day or a week.

So they’re taking it all down while it’s unreleased to make sure they cash out on all the consoles from the get-go.

Zehzin, do gaming w PlayStation Reversing Course On Helldivers 2 Is Both Smart And A Sign Of How Inept It Is
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

PlayStation often makes unforced errors that make you wonder how it gained such a significant foothold across the last few console generations and such a fiercely loyal audience.

Mostly unforced errors from other companies. It’s dumb decisions all the way down.

Spacemanspliff,

Yeah they both make a bunch of really anti consumer choices constantly, I never got the diehards who go hard for the console. Exclusive games I can at least understand, but is an Xbox really that functionality different from a PlayStation?

I was a Nintendo kid in the 99s, then had a PS2 followed by a 360, I really only got a PS4 cause the opportunity for a deal came up, and I only got a PS5 cause I already had a PS4.

Admittedly that’s probably where most of the fan clubbing comes from, generationally upgrading until you’re to use to the system to change.

kbin_space_program,

Playstation won with the PS5 because MS realized PC players have more money and went back to them.

MS left the game because they found a better game.

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think they would be ditching the table if they were winning tbh. Their goal is always to get as many people to subscribe to their stuff as possible

OsaErisXero,

Let's not forget that with Gamepass, it's not just a better game by folding in PC, but they're doing something completely different with their consoles than Sony is. More and more, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are either competing with Valve or against themselves, and not each other.

Caligvla,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Except for Nintendo, they’re still just doing what they’ve been doing for the last 20 years, releasing consoles with outdated hardware and relying on gimmicks to sell them, at this point they’re not even trying to compete anymore, Valve is a stronger competitor for Microsoft and Sony than Nintendo nowadays.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

But the switch isn’t just an underpowered console… It’s a handheld with an HDMI port

Jakeroxs,

Underpowered gimmick yeah

deegeese,

Our family uses it all the time for Smash Bros, Mario Kart, or other party games.

I would not have bought a Switch if it didn’t have console mode.

Jakeroxs,

Still, raw processing power comparatively it is underpowered, can’t push beyond 1080p for example, which is fine for Nintendo games because they make games with that limitation in mind, third party switch games are a lot more hit or miss, especially ports of pc games.

Compared to even cell phones the switch is laughably underpowered in the year 2024.

Not saying it can’t be useful or enjoyable, just gotta face facts about what the device is lol.

Steam deck is starting to eat their lunch I think.

9point6,

Nintendo has always been the king of handheld for as long as handheld gaming has been a thing.

I’d put a lot of money on them viewing Valve as their biggest threat currently.

jacksilver,

Yeah, I loved my switch when I first got it, but have hardly touched it since I got my steamdeck.

RampantParanoia2365,

Playstation’s exclusives are on the whole, a lot more interesting to me. I honestly have almost no interest in Xbox because of that. It’s not the hardware, it’s purely the software.

haui_lemmy,

I feel like we‘re not seeing/talking about the reason the console market is another duopoly. Its a harsh failure on cartel prevention laws imo. New consoles should pop up here and there yet they dont (very small opening for steamseck likes). Its not a healthy market.

At first glance I think the IP laws are the problem here. A new console should be able to run xbox games and/or ps5 games and compete on hardware and ergonomics alone imo. That way the competition would drive prices down and decisions would again be for improving the service, not the bottom line.

Disclaimer: trolls will be blocked immediately.

hobovision,

I think the answer is simple (they probably mentioned it in the article I’m not reading). Sony makes good hardware and good games. They don’t really need to compete with Nintendo since they kinda do their own thing at this point, and Microsoft is really no better. I also think Playstation is generally regarded as having better exclusives, even during the 360 era where Xbox clearly won.

MrScottyTay,

Actually in the 360 era, the PS3 ended up selling more by the end.

So in the public eye people usually consider the 360 winning but by other metrics, the PS3 did.

richmondez,

My experience is that seems to be a US centric view that the 360 “won” it’s generation, I’ve never encountered that view locally and it’s ultimately not born out by statistics although it was the closest Microsoft ever came.

MrScottyTay,

In the UK, where I’m from, it’s widely considered 360 won too.

The reason the PS3 won in the end I think was due to a worsening opinion of Microsoft towards the end when the original plan for the Xbox One was being discussed and shown, along with a lot of teenage gamers now being older with more disposable income allowing them to buy a PS3 later in the generation and trying out all of the exclusives they missed out on.

I don’t know how true this rings out in general, but that was pretty much my experience.

richmondez,

I’m in the UK and no one I know considers the 360 to have won, regional preferences for one over the other perhaps?

MrScottyTay,

The north east for me. Pretty much everyone had a 360 and everyone still calls it “the 360 days” or something of the other. But might just be the people I come across. Only had a few friends that had a PS3 in school, they always seemed to be left out from what the others were doing gaming wise. Wasn’t until the PS4 until I started seeing people back to playing PlayStation by default like the PS2 days.

Crackhappy,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

How do you tell everyone you like baseball without telling them you like baseball.

MacedWindow, do gaming w PlayStation Reversing Course On Helldivers 2 Is Both Smart And A Sign Of How Inept It Is
@MacedWindow@lemmy.world avatar

Article gets kinda weird at the end and calls the review bombing harassment. Seems like a 180 from the beginning of the article, unless the writer thinks Sony would have changed its mind with 0 protest action.

MrScottyTay,

It’s probably them just trying to go for a synonym to describe what happened as they’re not usually allowed to repeat themselves.

zurohki,

It also calls all the customers who don’t want to be locked out of the product they paid for ‘fickle’ and brought up gamergate out of nowhere, so I’m honestly not sure what sort of agenda they’re pushing.

kate,

kotaku moment

mnemonicmonkeys,

Or resetera

barsquid,

What a delusional perspective. I wish I could get “harassed” by thousands of fans clearly explaining what they want from my software.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Game reviewer mad when people review a game “wrong”? More likely than you think.

MeetInPotatoes,

The whole article was poorly written honestly, but yeah, that part really felt off. If the only thing they care about is money, then by nature our only real means of protest is to affect their money.

Evotech, do gaming w PlayStation Reversing Course On Helldivers 2 Is Both Smart And A Sign Of How Inept It Is

As always, probably a decision that came from up high, I assume everyone actually on the floor in Sony know this world be a terrible thing and universally hated and argued as such.

Very smart of arrow head to announce the update to get the public’s opinion before the change was implemented.

RealFknNito, do gaming w PlayStation Reversing Course On Helldivers 2 Is Both Smart And A Sign Of How Inept It Is
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Attempted in the name of greed, reversed in the name of greed.

Corporations are the answer to “what will make the most amount of money?”

The only thing they learned, for the next week, is that a healthy playerbase is more profitable than an exclusive one.

Katana314, do gaming w PlayStation Reversing Course On Helldivers 2 Is Both Smart And A Sign Of How Inept It Is

The biggest stumble seems to be from releasing without the requirement initially, and making the game available for sale in non-PSN countries.

Other studios like EA and Microsoft have traditionally required their accounts on online games since release; but unless I’m wrong, those accounts are also available in more countries.

FiniteBanjo, do gaming w It's Time To Stop Giving Xbox Boss Phil Spencer A Pass (Opinion)

Idk, Kotaku isn’t exactly a good source for ethics in this industry. They list something that every single large game company does: buy studios, move talent around, close the old studios. They also talk about how he claims to champion preservation and emulation, something we all agree with.

I vote he stays.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Yeah their head editors just left saying that they were being forced to write lower quality stories and things with agendas. I wouldn’t trust Kotaku much anymore.

Hdcase,

No one’s asking you to trust them.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Just as a heads up, when you post an article, unless otherwise stated, you are telling people that the source can be trusted. So, yes in a way you are asking us to trust them

regul,

It’s an opinion piece. This isn’t reporting. It says “Commentary” up at the top of the article.

I think you can “trust” when someone tells you that their opinion is actually their opinion. That’s the only question of “trust” here.

There’s an op-ed in the NYT right now titled At the Met Gala, Celebrities Are Nearly Nude. Are We Not Aroused? Do you trust that?

dsemy,

They list something that every single large game company does: buy studios, move talent around, close the old studios.

Not every large game company acts this way. This is also not what he did at all - he didn’t restructure the studios after buying them, he closed them and laid off their employees.

They also talk about how he claims to champion preservation and emulation, something we all agree with.

He’s a known liar (just a year ago he claimed Arkane will continue to polish Redfall, now Arkane Austin has closed before giving people DLC they already paid for)

Phil Spencer has been the head of Xbox for a decade, a decade where Xbox consistently got worse. The only smart decision they made this entire time is Game Pass IMO.

FiniteBanjo,

Not every large game company acts this way.

I’d like you to name a large game company that hasn’t done this, I’m not aware of a single one.

This is also not what he did at all - he didn’t restructure the studios after buying them, he closed them and laid off their employees.

Incorrect, employees are being moved to different studios. I’m unaware how many, if any, are being laid off. For example, Roundhouse is being assigned to Zenimax who run Elder Scrolls Online which is admittedly actually a pretty cool game.

He’s a known liar (just a year ago he claimed Arkane will continue to polish Redfall, now Arkane Austin has closed before giving people DLC they already paid for)

A corporate hack who is in touch with what gamers want is still better than some other out of touch corporate shill, as the state of gaming exemplifies every single day. On the subject of Redfall, it’s no surprise that studio got shut down after the incredible failures at launch, they clearly were never qualified to work on the title anyways, and that’s hardly Phil Spencer’s fault.

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

dsemy,

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

Grow up

Here is a response without any quotes, I’m sure their ommision makes this comment much clearer:

Valve hasn’t done this.

At the end of January, Xbox fired 1900 employees:

theverge.com/…/microsoft-activision-blizzard-layo…

It’s Phil Spencer’s fault that they released Redfall at 70$. It is his fault that he promised the game will be polished. It is his fault people who paid for the DLC will never get it.

He also closed Tango, which made a critically acclaimed game.

FiniteBanjo,

Valve has also published 8 games in 10 years. They did acquire Campo Santo studios between 2016 and 2018 which lead to the delayment of Valley of the Gods because Valve put the studio’s members on other projects including Steam, Dota Underlords, and Half Life: Alyx.

dsemy,

They didn’t close Campo Sango though, and haven’t closed other studios they bought historically (like Turtle Rock, which eventually became independent of Valve again and released Back 4 Blood).

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

You asked for an example, he gave you one. Then you try to discredit it with a red herring illogical argument.

You should take your temporary ban and reflect on what is truly important in your life. Because you clearly need some help.

UngodlyAudrey,
!deleted4132 avatar

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

This is a beehaw community you’re posting on. We expect you to bee nice here.

FiniteBanjo,

I’m sorry. You’re right. Feel free to eat my ass.

Gaywallet,
@Gaywallet@beehaw.org avatar

I’ve given you a 7 day temporary ban to reflect on how you might better engage with the community in the future. Bee better

Echinoderm,

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

Because quoting in a response provides structure to the response that improves readability.

Also, you are posting on a publicly accessible forum, not having a one-on-one conversation. In that context, that fact that you may remember what you said doesn’t mean that it’s not beneficial to repeat it for others.

The “idiot” comment was unnecessarily rude where someone was engaging in what appeared to be a good faith response, and only brings down the tone of your entire post.

FiniteBanjo,

It feels like people do it so commonly while making such weak arguments that it might be a bot trying to parse the prior comment. Feels like it doesn’t have use in any other circuimstance.

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

while making such weak arguments

Perhaps…

Idiot.

Vodulas,

I know you’re banned, but for when you come back, there are several reasons.

  1. It let’s people make a response to specific parts of what you said.
  2. It helps outside folks see the train if thought
  3. For me personally, it helps organize ideas and see the comment response closer together
thesmokingman,

Multiple teams are being cut, at least at Arkane Austin. I don’t know the total heads rolling. Many of my friends are now out of a job. The severance isn’t terrible, at least for some of the engineers. That’s not better than a job, though.

angstylittlecatboy,

Game Pass is a profoundly stupid decision. It doesn’t make it’s money back and now Xbox users are used to not paying for games. And from a consumer perspective, enshittification always eventually happens with subscriptions.

t3rmit3,

I vote he stays.

The article didn’t say he needs to go, they said people need to stop treating him as though he is actually on the side of consumers and employees, rather than investors.

The literal last line of the article is

I hope moving forward Xbox fans and the media hold Spencer more accountable for future mistakes, cuts, and failures.

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