ign.com

rimjob_rainer, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover

Because the game, the vision, the direction and the concept is just not great

DragonTypeWyvern, (edited )

Destiny 1 was an amazing shooter I spent far too much of my life playing.

Destiny 2 was an amazing experience as well…

For the first two years.

I have no idea why they thought they could get away with milking the Light Grind forever. Or why they didn’t add better Guild support if they wanted to just turn it into a subscription MMO.

Shadywack,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

Wrath of the Machine, VoG, King’s Fall…even if you didn’t raid, the strikes playlists were a lot of fun.

Rise of Iron and the light level catch up activity with the Archon’s Forge was fantastic and made the game a whole lot more fun.

GoodEye8,

There was plenty great about Destiny, the problem is that eventually Bungie just stopped giving a shit about making a good game and focused on milking Destiny for everything they can. Like their biggest changes to gameplay they’ve done in the last 3 years is to fix the issues they themselves created on prior years. Those fixes are presented as some new cool feature when in reality they’re things they should’ve iterated upon when it was originally introduced.

For instance with armor 2.0 they added armor affinities that would indicate what kind of mods(armor perks) you can use. Dnd then each piece also needed to be upgraded to be able to fit mods into the armor. So not only did you have limited amount of mods you could have you also needed 3 different versions of an armor piece (ideally with a good statline) to fully take advantage of the new build system. They also introduced the artifact which was supposed to be horizontal progression but it contained seasonal mods that you would have to use within the new armor 2.0 system. So you would have to compromise between using seasonal mods vs non-seasonal armor mods.

The biggest feedback they got was that the system is too restrictive and some of the solutions they got was a) get rid of armor affinity and b) make artifact mods into artifact perks. Guess what they introduced this year as a part of their grand plan to shake up the game? Getting rid of armor affinity and turning artifact mods into perks (though they still somewhat act like mods), 3 years after the community told them to do it. And with it they created a new problem for them to fix down the line. They scrapped all the existing armor mods they created in the last 3 years and replaced them with the most uninteresting mods.

And what about the core gameplay loop? That has largely stayed the same for the last, well some would argue since the start of D2. Every activity for the last 3 years has been a variation of stand at a specific place, shoot at a specific thing, carry something from a to b, throw a ball or insert collected things. And obviously shoot mostly the same enemies you’ve been shooting for the past decade.

In short the game is stale and it’s because Bungie has focused on keeping the content treadmill running rather than actually improving the game.

echo64, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover - IGN

Tbh, sony needs to take over. Sony seem to do okay with their stuff, and Bungie leadership seems to be totally at fault.

They must have the most wild buyout contract for Sony to not be able to just swoop in and fix this nonsense.

Shadywack,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like some c-level dweeb or scab sympathizer downvoted your comment. I couldn’t agree more with your assessment. Bungie leadership is pretty much miserable assholes these days. It sucks for the developers who do the actual work and are trying to tell leadership what will actually fix the company. They don’t deserve any of the frustrations from any of the player base, but the executives can fuck themselves with splintered balsa wood for all I care.

WeLoveCastingSpellz, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover

Maybe Sonny will decide to support linux… 💅 I have no attachment to bungie as a company just hope that the devs are gonna be ok

Potatos_are_not_friends, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover - IGN

Ah crap.

Didn’t realize this post came first: lemmy.world/post/9222778

I searched before I posted, so weird that I didn’t see it.

tacotroubles, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover

whether or not this happens I hope somebody cleans house on the suits. they seems to be trying to run the company without an ounce of self awareness that they are steering the ship onto the rocks

Sharpiemarker, (edited ) do gaming w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover - IGN

My heart goes out to the Bungie team. It’s a terrible feeling to have to rely on your job for a paycheck and healthcare and to have to endure the anxiety of thinking you’ll lose your job or benefits any day. Especially with the industry being in such turmoil right now. Dozens of gaming dev houses are laying off their staff and shuttering their doors, so it’s not like you can just pick up another job in the industry when veterans are competing for the small number of positions available.

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

While terrible, the most of these people make a lot of money and could have also unionized over the past years. Covid also showed them what was on the horizon. But instead the prevailing US worker strategy in these high paying jobs seems to be “get yours”.

Sharpiemarker,

This is about the worst take I’ve seen recently.

Blames the workers for not leaving sooner, for not seeing it coming, for not unionizing, for making a decent living.

So you blame the victims of corporate greed instead of the corporations themselves.

Maybe you should consider keeping your opinions to yourself?

Bungie has show themselves to be a good employer for a decade or more. You can’t blame workers because the company was sold to Sony and now are being mistreated.

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

Corporate greed can only be stopped by disallowing the divide and conquer strategy they employ. Individual bargening against large corporations only works if the employer works in good faith. So when the relationship was good they could have also formed a union and work together to have a fair footing if anything changes in that good relationship. The employees as a group missed that window and now that it’s needed the framework for collective bargaining is not there and individuals are left holding the bag.

Unions should not be demonized as a bad thing or punishment for the employer, it is a counterweight to the corporate machine if it ever shows it’s ugly head. Good employers have nothing to fear if they work together.

furysama,
@furysama@mastodon.straylight.engineering avatar

@Tosti have you ever tried unionizing a workplace? Turns out it's actually pretty hard, especially when people know it's a million times safer to just go get a new job than get fired for union activism

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

Actually I successfully have, just not in the US. The US has pretty hostile regulations against unions. Or maybe lacks regulations against companies squashing them.

fracture,

you’re not wrong, but you are being unnecessarily antagonistic, and i would appreciate it if you didn’t push people against unionizing by being antagonistic about it. it’s hard enough to get a union going without shaming people for not doing it sooner

people are already suffering at the hands of capitalism. you don’t need to throw it in their face. and, y’know, maybe some people from the game industry browse lemmy. it’s almost like they’re probably just people like the rest of us

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

I sort of get your point, but sometimes the truth also stings a little and people need to be aware that when it’s good is when you need to prepare for the downturn, that is the moment to prepare your nestegg, unionize etc.

As I said in the other comment, the Union has been villofied by corpo’s that people in the US think they are only to antagonize the company.

fracture,

you can explain all of that and be nice about it, you don’t need to assume that people’s motivation is to “get theirs”. like you say, most people have grown up with several decades of propaganda, it’s not their fault they see unions as bad. it takes time to undo that stuff and it’s hard enough as it is without assuming their motivations or blaming them for something they had no control over

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

You seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill. Attacking the tone of the message adds nothing.

The “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” view of the world is something most Americans ascribe to. It might not apply to an individual but it definitely describes the group.

Yes years of corporate propaganda made an impact, I hope for them they can be the change they want to see.

fracture,

it’s not a controversial take to say a message’s tone affects how it’s taken. could you explain why it’s so difficult for you to hear the request “could you be nice”?

or do you genuinely believe a message’s tone doesn’t affect how it’s received? because if so, i’ve been wasting a lot of effort on being nice to you, myself :p (that’s a joking tone, because it’s almost certainly not going to be obvious)

Tosti,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

deleted_by_author

  • Loading...
  • fracture,

    thank you, i appreciate that. i’m one of those people trying to make it happen

    Tosti,
    @Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

    Gods speed, hope you succeed

    Colorcodedresistor, do gaming w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover - IGN

    The industry did this to itself, and while i cannot imagine the pain and stress of working 80hrs+ and hitting dead lines…no one pulled the brakes on the train, covid revealed how absolutely deficit heavy the gaming community was operating under. this happened once before, history isn’t repeating but its dropping and spitting hell fire rap bars

    SuiXi3D, do gaming w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover
    @SuiXi3D@kbin.social avatar

    Well, ya dumbasses, you’re the ones that let them buy you in the first place.

    Eggyhead, do gaming w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover
    @Eggyhead@kbin.social avatar

    Destiny 2 also happens to be a total confusing mess if you simply want to try to get into it now rather than seven years ago.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    When Destiny started, Bungie was tied to Activision and whenever there were design decisions people hated, they blamed Activision for them.

    Then Destiny 2 launched, Bungie was able to buy out the Activision contract, and everything went to shit.

    Turned out, Activision had been the voice of reason the whole time.

    Bungie started eliminating story missions, vaulting content people had paid for, including a full 1/2 of the base game and multiple expansions. They sunset gears and weapons people spent hundreds of hours earning and curating because they claimed they didn’t know how to develop scenarios for them any more.

    A full Sony takeover would be a huge improvement over what Bungie has done since separating from Activision.

    GardenVarietyAnxiety,

    I would love to love Destiny again… =(

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    You and me both. I dropped the game cold when they vaulted the content. It was clear Bungie did not respect my time or my money.

    Since then I saved $230… and it will be more since I won’t be buying Bungie content going forward.

    Beyond Light - $50
    Witch Queen - $80
    Lightfall - $100

    mrfriki,

    When they started vaulting content I had paid for is when I stopped playing.

    sarcasticsunrise, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover - IGN

    I’m sure they had a reason to do it, but why the hell did they leave Microsoft again??? Working under Sony sounds miserable

    OscarRobin,

    None of the things happening at Bungie are related to Sony at all, as the article states

    GoodEye8,

    Yeah, Sony gave Bungie a pretty sick deal. Bungie gets financial backing from Sony and if Bungie doesn’t drive itself into the ground they keep their autonomy, and I guess the main benefit Sony got is/was live service expertise from Bungie (which is what Sony was focusing on when they acquired Bungie). The fact that Sony might need to step in is all on Bungie and it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who has been keeping up with Bungie. The short gist is that the entire company is horribly mismanaged and that’s why they had to lay off and are likely to get taken over by Sony.

    And if I’m being honest, I think Sony takeover might be the best thing for Bungie (assuming it doesn’t get entirely dissolved). Get rid of the shit management and then, once you’ve put some reasonable people at the helm, let them do their own thing again.

    Sylvartas,

    Working for Microsoft doesn’t seem to be all sunshine and rainbows either, according to some firsthand accounts I’ve heard.

    ipkpjersi, do games w Bungie Devs Say Atmosphere Is ‘Soul-Crushing’ Amid Layoffs, Cuts, and Fear of Total Sony Takeover

    Yeah, layoffs will do that for you. It’s not the best way of increasing employee morale.

    deegeese, do games w Nintendo Cancels Japanese Esports Events Following Threats to Staff and Spectators

    People are just the worst.

    TubeTalkerX,

    Right you are fellow Algorithm!

    TheSadPineapple, do games w Nintendo Cancels Japanese Esports Events Following Threats to Staff and Spectators

    It didn’t say in the article but why the hell are people sending threats? Knowing the types of gamers that send threats it’s probably a really fucking dumb reason, isn’t it?

    assembly,

    Out of every esports event that could face issues I did not think anyone would be crazy angry about Nintendo. Did someone get blueshelled too many times in Mario Kart? I mean, what would drive people to get intense about Nintendo?

    Lanusensei87,
    @Lanusensei87@lemmy.world avatar

    Smash (specially Melee) has always attracted questionable people. So if it had happened there I wouldn’t be surprised… but this is for Splatoon of all things.

    Dudewitbow, (edited )

    Specially melee? When the fallout happened, it was significantly more ultimate personalities who were confirmed problematic, mainly due to the fact that someone younger is more likely to have been playing ultimate(melees an over a 20 year old game), which would lead to a higher chance of a negative interaction.

    Splatoon also has some animosity towards nintendo as they were also behind the smash scene because they know that nintendo does not ultimately care about them, as caring about them leads to how Arms fizzled out.

    spriteblood,

    Nintendo games might be very family friendly, but Nintendo as a company has a well-earned negative reputation in a lot of verticals including esports and community events.

    The article doesn't clarify where the threats were coming from, so it may be for different reasons. And obv it doesn't justify harassing and threatening random employees though.

    ipkpjersi,

    Threats are obviously not justifiable and are not okay but Nintendo has been earning a lot of badwill with gamers recently with their decisions to disallow small esport events. They have also aggressively copyright struck videos in the past that realistically just gave their awesome games free advertising but that’s not okay with them, etc

    They seem to make a lot of really dumb business and especially community decisions despite making some incredible games. It’s not too surprising some people would feel burned with that.

    scrubbles,
    !deleted6348 avatar

    I’m guessing some hyper-triggered gamer who saw there was a girl playing or something equally stupid

    TheSadPineapple,

    Apparently Nintendo doesn’t let small esport competitions to take place. They want to be the only ones. But at the same time that’s just as dumb a reason to send threats as what you said lol. There is never a good reason to send threats regardless

    deegeese,

    If they shut down other people’s events I don’t feel so bad that someone shut down theirs.

    Son_of_dad,

    Probably still mad that Mario’s big booty was shrunk

    iAmTheTot,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    anyone who would send a threat has a dumb reason.

    IWantToFuckSpez,

    It was Sega. Because Sega does what Nintendon’t

    PopOfAfrica,

    I need to preface this by saying it’s really stupid that anyone’s sending threats, but I think the reason they’re doing it is because Nintendo has made a very hard-line stance against small esport events. You arent allowed to host events without their permission

    Grangle1,

    Nintendo is my favorite gaming company, but man, their IP lawyers are absolutely vicious. Granted they’re also in Japan, the poster boy for a corporate-owned country (I lived there several years, no joke, if you think big corps run the US you ain’t seen nothing yet) which makes American IP law look like Chinese IP law, but even for a Japanese company, they’re brutal. What I find rather ironic about it is that a measure they took to protect their image and that of their brands from controversy over bad gamer behavior, led to bad gamer behavior directed at them. But either way, to these idiots sending threats, it’s a classic instance of “this is why we can’t have nice things”, ruining even the fun we were allowed to have for everyone and probably making it even less likely that Nintendo will reverse their policy.

    Dudewitbow,

    To being it a tier higher, id argue South Korea is a tier higher for corporate owned countries.

    TheSadPineapple,

    Gotcha. I can see why people are upset. But threats? I guess I was right in thinking it was a dumb reason. Nintendo can go fuck themselves for sure. But at the same time if you are the type of person to send threats over trivial bullshit you are still a garbage human.

    Zahille7,

    I fucking hate gamers, and I am one.

    Remember when people started sending death threats to the CDPR over the Cyberpunk delays? People had been spending way too long sucking Witcher 3’s dick so they automatically though CP2077 was gonna be the next game of the decade.

    They were right, in a way.

    wildginger,

    Threats are never justified, but I do see why they did it. “If we cant do it, you cant either” is a pretty common mentality, and this is a surefire way to completely shut down the official events.

    The worst bit is now, if nintendo caves at all and pulls back their draconian behavior, these people will count it as a victory achieved via threats and likely encourage their use elsewhere.

    AeroLemming,

    How can they prevent you from hosting unofficial events? What legal basis do they have for it?

    hasnt_seen_goonies,

    Depending on your definition of “unofficial”, nothing. But at some point you need to make media to tell people about your tournament, or you want to stream the tournament, and doing either of those without using Nintendo’s copyrighted material/trademarks is impossible.

    AeroLemming,

    I hate that. Thanks for the response.

    trackcharlie, do games w Why Bethesda Responding to Starfield's Steam Reviews Is Part of a Rising Games Industry Trend

    “If we gaslight the players into believing it’s a good game, we win” - Bethesda and the rest of this garbage industry, probably

    bjoern_tantau, do gaming w Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Is Getting an Offline Mode After Release, Rocksteady Confirms - IGN
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    Oh, really? In that case let me pre-order it right away. Of course they will deliver on an empty promise!

  • Wszystkie
  • Subskrybowane
  • Moderowane
  • Ulubione
  • rowery
  • fediversum
  • Spoleczenstwo
  • slask
  • Blogi
  • lieratura
  • giereczkowo
  • Pozytywnie
  • muzyka
  • nauka
  • esport
  • sport
  • FromSilesiaToPolesia
  • krakow
  • niusy
  • Cyfryzacja
  • tech
  • kino
  • LGBTQIAP
  • opowiadania
  • Psychologia
  • motoryzacja
  • turystyka
  • MiddleEast
  • zebynieucieklo
  • test1
  • Archiwum
  • NomadOffgrid
  • Wszystkie magazyny