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cyrano, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?

PrivateNoob,

Yeah, so it’s just the usual

inclementimmigrant,

Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.

Duamerthrax,

At least he didn’t punch anyone this time.

inclementimmigrant, (edited )

True, no physical punches just metaphoric ones to every gamer right in the genitals with his BS yet again.

Godort,

Nor did he leave a USB stick containing sensitive design data and camgirl porn at a Medieval Times

Things are looking up for ol’ Randy

echodot,

The cam girl porn was the valuable bit. I sure as hell know nobody wants the Borderlands code

very_well_lost,

Yet!

givesomefucks,

Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.

When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn’t good performance.

It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It’s at the point it’s weird he still has a job

Jessica,

It’s got Denuvo running

mushroommunk,

That’s probably not the cause of the issues here though. Denuvo impacts game performance but not as badly as Borderlands 4 is seeing. The engine they chose has issues even on non denuvo games. It’s an unoptimized mess and then gearbox didn’t optimize any further themselves.

SoupBrick,

BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).

iAmTheTot,

Holy shit you get 80 fps with frame gen on with a 4090? What resolution?

SoupBrick,

2560 × 1440

iAmTheTot,

Holy fuck that is so much worse than I realized it was. What a joke.

Goodeye8,

According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I'm not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it's definitely ass, I just don't think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they've done with their computer to get such poor performance.

iAmTheTot,

That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.

A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.

Goodeye8, (edited )

And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that's hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you'd say I'm full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?

My point is you can't take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they're omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you're just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn't fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.

iAmTheTot,

But my guy, you provided context which shows that Borderlands 4 does run like shit on a 4090 in a lab environment.

Borderlands 3 on highest settings with a 4090, a worse cpu, at 1440p ran at 210 average fps.

You telling me that Borderlands 4 looks good enough compared to 3 to explain a 143 fps drop?

spamfajitas,

What’s crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I’ve got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I’m getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.

SoupBrick,

I am going to need to double check my settings then. I might have only enabled DLSS and not frame gen.

mushroommunk,

This feels like Halo Infinite all over again.

Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won’t. Enjoy head casing about that.

_spiffy,
@_spiffy@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve got a 6800xt and it runs really well on medium settings. Looks pretty good as well. Never had the game crash on me either. It’s 60fps but I’m cool with that. Gameplay feels smooth at that and it’s steady. No upscaling no frame Gen. 3440x1440.

I have heard a lot of people are having issues with Nvidia hardware though.

USSEthernet,

That AAAA to you!

prole, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Of course the borderlands guy would look like that

biotin7,

You ain’t exactly handsome yourself bud😅

Nikls94,

Randy Pitchfork looks like a mix of the first second generation employee of blizzard (aka Piratesoftware) and Steve buscemi

biotin7,

Now I can’t unsee this

prole,

My mom says I am

Itdidnttrickledown, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

The reality is you made a game that few will play for several years. You could have made a game that could be playable on most contemporary machines. You didn’t and will now have to suffer from shitty sales due to your inability to understand that the majority of us don’t have the money to spend like you do you out of touch clueless ballsack.

zod000,

Anyone that remembers Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever knows that Randy Pitchford is garbage. He also ran off most of the talent behind BL1 and BL2, which is why BL3 writing was shitty.

SapphironZA, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Sorry I can’t hear you Randy. I am playing silksong and after that, I am doing another BG3 playthrough.

mushroommunk,

Or an Expedition 33 new game+ This is truly a great year for games, current post aside

58008, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@58008@lemmy.world avatar

Why is he like this?

figjam,

his new game is failing. He must keep it in the zeitgeist for as long as possible. This is just some guy trying to be relevant

dustyData,

For a long time he was told by everyone in public and in private that he was awesome and perfect, and the greatest game developer, which made him a ton of money and very famous. Now his latest game is failing and his overinflated ego is panicking.

echodot,

Was he?

Personally I’ve always thought of him as a bit of a prick.

brsrklf, (edited )

Really? Was that a long time ago?

Seems to me he and Gearbox have been in lots of shit for a while now (the infamous USB drive, serious plagiarism accusations when Borderlands did an artistic 180 during development, Alien : Colonial Marines released broken as hell after funneling its funding to make BL2, Duke Nukem Forever…)

And every time Pitchford’s (mostly unnecesary) public answer has been terrible.

frezik,

As far as DNF goes, it was probably an easy profit for the company. They bought it from 3D Realms and patched it up into something releasable. I doubt they spent a lot on the deal. It didn’t have to sell many copies for them to hit break even.

Not a bad business decision, and I’m glad that development story had a definitive ending.

Lfrith,

It’s the year of the wealthy personalities who dont keep their mouth shut because they believe they are right and everyone will agree with their points and love them.

Happening right now with Mark Cuban on the NBA side.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool, (edited ) do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN

What the hell kinda name is that?

Edit: it’s a mouthful of a name and that’s bad, basic sense. If you’re a fan and you get the title, good for you but it isn’t gonna attract random gamers

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

A bad one

P1nkman,

An obscure one.

aesthelete,

The kind that makes sense if you play it.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Yeah throw away a century of marketing and advertising conventions and give your product a complicated name that means nothing.

aesthelete,

“Clair Obscur” means Light / Dark in French…which most of the creators speak. It relates, generally speaking, to the theme of light versus dark that is throughout the game.

“Expedition 33” relates to the story, and the party that you’re playing is a part of “Expedition 33”.

So, neither thing “means nothing”, you’re just a grumpy person looking for something to whine about.

Imhotep,
UnfairUtan,

A French one. Cocorico 🐓

FenrirIII, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

It’s absolutely beautiful. But I haven’t been able to get myself to finish it. I need to pick it up again

markpaskal,

Grab some Kleenex before you go for the ending.

sheogorath,

The intro already hit me like a truck because I managed to relate with all the characters who’s going to fromage.

Imhotep,

fromage

sheogorath

Well done

Duke_Nukem_1990,

Mehh it really wasn’t that sexy.

CaptainBlinky, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Welp, that’s what I did. Got my money back. I’ll buy it when it’s $19.99.

Peruvian_Skies,

You should get it for free elsewhere. Don’t give this asshole your money.

Codilingus,

Denuvo :'(

SoleInvictus,

And Empress is gone, though they were pretty toxic so that’s no big loss for me.

CaptainBlinky,

That’s an option, but there were a lot of people involved in making the game. I’m not a fan of collective punishment. They most probably did their best, he’s just a shit spokesperson.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

I was going to do that originally but now I’m never playing it.

CaptainBlinky,

I’m not going to punish the entire development team just because he’s a tool.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

They got paid already and most of them will be laid off or moved to different projects by the time the games is $20.

echodot,

It’s not that he’s a tool it’s at the game it has poor performance. And being a tool is just a guarantee that issue will never be fixed.

So in a way I kind of do blame the team, they must have done testing they know what the performance is like.

jimerson,
@jimerson@lemmy.world avatar

I’m enjoying the game. And yeah, a lot of cool folk work there. Sure a few suck, but there are a lot of neat humans that poured their heart into this game.

I also haven’t had a single issue on a two year old mid-tier laptop so i can’t empathize with the fuss over performance. I’m sure there are older machines out there that wont run it at 1000FPS or whatever.

At the end of the day, it’s a game. Calm tf down and play something else rather than raise your blood pressure over something so relatively trivial.

Deep breath people. It’s a game. Support it or don’t. Edginess not required for this decision.

BlameTheAntifa, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

The game is grossly overpriced and infected Denuvo malware. Those things are all symptoms of Randy Pitchford being involved. I’ll pass.

LiveLM, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Gearbox was been scummy for a while now. Customers can learn to stop giving them money or can keep putting up with this.

aesthelete,

Borderlands 3 kinda sucked it. I realized when I played it that they had hit peak during Borderlands 2.

SaharaMaleikuhm,

Eh, the people are dumb as fuck and will keep buying their slop. Just look at Nintendo, one of the most horrible companies out there, releasing the same 5 games over and over again, but the idiots keep buying. They will keep buying their Mario Kart until it’s $200

moonburster,

They destroyed the first update for risk of rain 2 when they bought it as well. They kinda made my favourite game a lot worse

biotin7, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Randy needs to get comfy with the fact that he may go broke. Do what the doctors in goa (a state in India) did to their health minister. But in this case impact his income & force him to grovel.

ampersandrew, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Is this not the third tabloid style headline here about essentially the same thing?

tidderuuf,

It’s 100% an astroturfing campaign. Doesn’t matter if it looks good or bad, it’s still getting awareness out there about the game which generates clicks and probably makes more money than the game itself.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

That would be hard to believe, because the game already conservatively made tens of millions of dollars in a few days.

echodot,

That would have to be the weirdest advertising strategy in the history of all advertising.

My our game, it’s really shit

CidVicious,
@CidVicious@sh.itjust.works avatar

Well it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, but Randy Pitchford is really good at providing ammo for these types of headlines. Guy needs to learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.

C1pher, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@C1pher@lemmy.world avatar

This has been there already with Ubisoft games. It wont end well for the IP and also, the main problem is Randy Pitchford. That problem wont be fixed any time soon.

chicken, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

I played the first one but after that the formula felt pretty samey and I was bored of it. Would a fourth Borderlands game even be good if it wasn’t laggy?

sness,

Don’t let the name fool you, it’s the sixth game.

Linktank, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

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