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magnetosphere, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

Woah. I got Gary Oldman confused with Alan Rickman. Rickman died back in 2016… and the article STILL made sense.

That alone makes me think they’ve spent way too long on the goddam game.

WintLizard, (edited ) do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying
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Is this article written by AI? It has all sorts of strange errors and repeated words. Like the sentence at the end of this paragraph. I know it is popular to call out everything as AI right now but this article is suspicous.

lonke,

AI has gotten to the point where it probably wouldn’t make these mistakes.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

You’ve never seen ChatGPT break I assume. It can.

Lucidlethargy,

Never ask it for advice on anything technical. It is confidently incorrect about a LOT of things.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Its great with programming

JokeDeity,

It’s not “great”, but it’s slightly helpful sometimes.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

You know its weird, here people are downvoting me for agreeing its great. On another post I’m being downvoted for saying its okay. Y’all just don’t know and thats okay. If you know what you need and you are just unfamiliar with a library, ChatGPT can explain it fine if your prompt is concise.

If you have no idea what you are doing and know nothing about programming, its not going to help you. I am currently using it to assist with small tasks using Excel.Interop and it basically spat out a working program for me to tweak. Don’t really know what to tell you about that but I can post it to GitHub I guess.

Its fine with programming so long as you know to take it with a grain of salt and give it detailed prompts. Like for instance, if you don’t specify it usually defaults to Row 1 when dealing with ranges, thats fine, because I know what row I need.

JokeDeity,

Okay. 🙂

Saledovil,

I heard somebody say that it’s like a talented intern. Can produce good results, but you have to verify them yourself first before you use them.

Sanctus,
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I mean you have to verify it as much as any answer on Stack Overflow. Lets not act like dudes haven’t been ripping code from there and just flying with it.

Sentrovasi,

Never ask it for advice period. It is always confident because that's the most believable way to present information on the internet. It is usually wrong because it is not actually intelligent.

baked_tea,

AI was at that point few months back. The quality is getting worse with each week now

notleigh,

Came in to criticise the writing too. Got AI or at least bad translation vibes. Really hard to follow.

Omega_Jimes,

There is a wierd amount of generative-learning articles on game/tech Lemmy. I keep seeing these articles from publications that I’ve never heard of and I get excited because “Oo new people in the space” then halfway through the article I feel duped.

Pika, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying
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I supported it but, I stopped playing, not enough to do. Graphics are insane but, little to no actual content aside from ships that you need to pay real money for. The constant dB resets prevent me from ever really grinding the game, what’s the point of it will just reset next major update. I personally think the game is going to flop due to this.

all-knight-party,
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I don't think it's possible for the game to flop anymore if we're going off money made. In terms of them making money after they fully "release", well... I don't know if it will ever actually "release".

Conyak,

I haven’t played the game but is it true that the ships cost real money? Do you also have to pay for the base game?

root,

You purchase the base game which comes with a starter ship. In the game, you can do missions or do cargo trading to earn in-game money which you can use to buy ships.

You can absolutely use real world cash to purchase additional ships, which funds the development of the game. You don’t have to if you don’t want to. Almost all the ships can be purchased with in-game currency.

The main plus point for purchasing ships with real money is they are acvound bound and will stay with you after a database reset.

Seudo,

So the devs are insentivised to keep it in a perpetual alpha stage, wiping users game progress every couple months.

root,

Well, not all the gameplay loops have been fully fleshed out yet which is why it is still in the alpha stage. Database resets happen as festures are added.

I don’t know if i will go so far as to say they are incentivised to keep it in alpha.

sic_1,

Same for me. Although I really enjoy just low flying on the planets and enjoy the scenery but what made me quit is the insane amount of bugs. Sometimes it’s nigh impossible to even get from the down area to the ship it out of the hangar. Once it’s running, it’s incredible but the lack of reliability is just to frustrating.

ChaoticEntropy, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying
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If you need $600m to make a genre defining game over the course of decades, maybe it isn’t worth it.

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  • all-knight-party,
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    I'm ready for Starfield Citizen.

    ryannathans,

    600$ million for TWO games. Cyberpunk cost 200$ mill and didn’t even work on official release.

    Squadron 42 is the primary development focus.

    Star citizen is built by a small portion of staff using leftover parts from SQ42.

    When SQ42 is finished, star citizen will be tho main focus.

    gk99, do gaming w Lords of the Fallen: Developers worry about abundance of Soulslike games

    LOTF is unique in that it’ll supposedly have co-op that isn’t ass, so that’s a pretty good selling point.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

    And yet they'll still have invasions. Is it so much to ask to take that formula, with co-op that works from a damn menu, without invasions?

    luthis, do gaming w The Elder Scrolls 6 to be exclusive on Xbox and PC?

    If this turns out to be exclusive, I’m pirating it in show of support for the PS community. Gamers shouldn’t have to miss out because of BS corporate wars.

    cryptomnesia,
    @cryptomnesia@kbin.social avatar

    While I don't disagree at all, I wish it were possible to pirate the Sony exclusives without having to wait a year or more for a so-so port.

    Ferk, (edited )
    @Ferk@kbin.social avatar

    Yes, it's kind of ironic to complain about exclusivity while at the same time wanting to promote a company that has built an empire out of exclusives.

    if you wanna fight exclusivity don't buy devices designed to be walled gardens in the first place. Whether it's PS, Xbox or Switch.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

    If you hate the practice of exclusivity (or the version of it that Microsoft or Sony have these days), the more effective action would be not only to not buy it but also to not play it. When you play it, you can discuss it on forums, share word of mouth, and other things that encourage other people to buy it. When you don't play it, you're probably supporting some other game that needs the support more and abides by your values.

    meldrik, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying

    When are we gonna get the single player version of Star Citizen (Squadron 42) with Mark Hamill??

    ChaoticEntropy,
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    Every month a new report, every month some further indications that they are nowhere near release.

    Gordon_Freeman, do gaming w Lords of the Fallen: Developers worry about abundance of Soulslike games
    @Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

    It takes a lot to make a soulslike
    But when it comes to me and you
    And him, and her, and the baby too
    Too many soulslike, it's true

    Too many soulslike
    Too many soulslike
    ...

    Pisodeuorrior, do gaming w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying

    Fucking hell what a scam.

    ninjan, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying

    I was an original backer, I’ve played various iterations over the years and it really takes a lot of rose tint to find the game as it is enjoyable. The core loop isn’t even in place yet. The systems that do exist and work are interesting, the graphics and aesthetics are top notch, in parts, and at times it feels like we’re going to get something revolutionary. But then you play for a while and the unfinished jank gets to you, it’s not very fun. It’s cool, it’s impressive, the scope is insane and you can get lost in the vastness of space in ways that other games just can’t even approach. But it’s not fun. You can make it fun with friends or by setting up your own goals disjoined from the gameplay loop. Like try and jump a vehicle into the cargo bay mid flight or see how tightly you can race around asteroids. But if you just play the existing little loops it sucks. This is of course my subjective opinion. You might love the bounty system and the combat. You might love the salvage runs and transport missions but to me it’s like Euro Truck Simulator which is about the most boring shit I can imagine. And both the space and ground combat just isn’t even remotely as good as other games that just focus on that, which is understandable but I’m always left with this feeling of “will I really enjoy the finished product?” And I’m not sure. The game they said they were going to make in the Kickstarter, that game I would’ve enjoyed. I loved Chris Roberts games as a kid, but this monstrosity it has become? I just don’t know.

    That said I really do believe they’re trying to make the best game ever. They just don’t fundamentally understand why we need deadlines and a fixed scope to get things out the door.

    ChaoticEntropy,
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    Star Citizen is the poster child for scope creep.

    ninjan,

    Truer words have never been spoken

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    Yup, this would’ve been much better solved with expansions. Just get the core loop solid, and then build on it.

    tiredofsametab,

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    ChaoticEntropy, (edited )
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    Did its scope creep…? I thought it just circled a drain until it finally plopped out in to a gutter somewhere.

    tiredofsametab,

    Somewhat, but they mostly kept chasing newer tech and had to redo stuff over and over again.

    all-knight-party,
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    I don't think they were chasing newer tech, so much as the development was taking so incredibly long that their current tech had literally aged out of the common gamer's expectations and they HAD to do it over to seem current.

    tiredofsametab,

    That may be. I do remember somewhere in a documentary that they kept re-developing stuff for different libraries/technologies. I think at least one was voluntary. I can't recall which doc this was, though.

    ChaoticEntropy,
    @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

    More playing constant catchup than chasing, but sure.

    gwildors_gill_slits,

    I feel the same way. For the 30 or so dollars I spent as an early backer I’ve actually had some fun times in the game, and I don’t actually think it’s quite the total loss that people make it out to be, but it certainly should be far, far better than it is after a decade and 600m dollars invested in it.

    GreenMario, do games w Lords of the Fallen: Developers worry about abundance of Soulslike games

    Could have gone in the “character action” genre like MGR and DMC. Would be nice to have a more western take on it since most are Japanese anime games.

    JakenVeina, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying

    Stop giving them attention. Seriously.

    worldofgeese,
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    Freelancer, to this day, remains one of my all-time favorite games for capturing the magic of space exploration. If Freelancer was born from this dude’s mind, I will happily wait for Star Citizen.

    Kecessa,

    Daikatana was born from the same mind from which Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake were born…

    Blu,

    Freelancer had to be pried from his control because he couldn’t meet even the least ambitious deadlines. Chris Roberts hasn’t managed a successful project from start to finish in over 20 years.

    i_stole_ur_taco,

    Hasn’t he been working on Star Citizen for at least 20 years? I remember backing the original cash grab when I still had all my hair.

    Talaraine,
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    Kickstarter was like... 2011 or 2012, so just over a decade. I know because that's 50 bucks I'm never gonna get back, but at least it was worth less back then xD

    bfg9k,

    Entire human beings have been born and have grown up in the time it has taken to get it to this point.

    At some point you need to lock the scope and actually finish it.

    Cypher,

    11 years old is a concerning definition of “grown up”.

    Do you need a seat?

    all-knight-party,
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    That was a rollercoaster of a comment.

    Holyginz, do games w Lords of the Fallen: Developers worry about abundance of Soulslike games

    Or they could actually be different and not make yet another souls like game

    fsxylo, do gaming w Lords of the Fallen: Developers worry about abundance of Soulslike games

    I also think there are too many souls likes.

    If you told 15 year old me that I’d be nostalgic for scifi shooters they’d scoff.

    Voroxpete, do games w Star Citizen reaches $600 million raised but the game future is really worrying

    Likewise, there is a subscription model that allows you to maintain access to the title and is divided into two types: Centurion (€12.22 per month or €134 per year) and Imperator (€24.44 per month or €268 per year). The Imperator offers, unlike the Centurion, exclusive events and an allocation of in-game money per month to rent ships and weapons.

    Some pretty sloppy work here. The subscription options have nothing to do with playing the game; it’s a buy once product with no subscription system at all. The Centurion and Imperator subscriptions are better thought of as a kind of “backstage pass”, they mostly just give you patreon style content and extra in game flair items. Are they worth the money? Unless you’re a die hard fan, absolutely not. But it’s not like you have to pay up “maintain access” as the article puts it.

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