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Jackthelad, do games w Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2

Amazing how just rehashing the same missions over and over again for 5 years leads people to lose interest.

canis_majoris, do games w Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

Destiny’s onboarding for new players is literally the worst. If you don’t have a veteran guiding you into the game it’s literally impossible to pick up. You want more interest in the game, then make it easier to actually pick it up instead of flat replacing the starter content.

hogunner,

100%! This was exactly my experience when trying to guide a new (to Destiny) friend through the story and get him geared up. He ended up quitting in frustration in less than a month because nothing made sense.

EvilBit,

As a gamer who grew up in the 80’s, lots of games that have any significant online component at all feel like this now. If you don’t pick it up in the first couple months, forget it. It’ll be full of people who play 9 hours a day and it’ll have so many layers of systems and currencies it feels like an absurdist satire. Seasons and prestige and lore and so much baggage. I get so tired of asking “wait, can I earn the blue triangles by playing, do they cost real money, do I trade orange circles for them…?”

smort,
@smort@lemmy.world avatar

One of the reasons I still play rocket league now and then. Everyone else can have all the rare cosmetics they want, and great for them.

But when the match starts, we’re all on a level playing field (lol), and when the match ends, it’s because the winning team just executed better.

EvilBit,

I tend to find this type of game at least a little less depressing. A fun little skill test with a social component.

TryingToEscapeTarkov,

I started a game that had been out for only hours (the Finals) and people already had advanced builds and insane map knowledge. These guys are preordering and then no lifeing the closed beta. Its crazy man.

EvilBit,

Gotta love dropping $100 on a free game before it’s even out, then drip-feeding it thousands more over time when the game intrinsically provides nothing more than a highly engineered dopamine drip. No story, no meaningful progression, no value or benefit to you as a human, just obsessively learning and mastering a skill that has literally only one purpose on the planet: playing that game.

ComradeWeebelo,

It’s by Nexon anyway. If you don’t play it you probably dodged a bullet. Their games are extremely P2W and they literally pioneered the earn in-game currency that you can only use to trial weapons and characters method of wealth extraction. It’s been so long since I’ve played one of their games, but that form of microtransaction has always stuck with me as a “if I see it, I’m immediately deleting your game” approach to gaming.

Seasoned_Greetings,

The very first time a game tells me I have to pay for something with real currency in game that isn’t purely cosmetic, it gets dropped. It’ll be a cold day in hell before I let a game tell me that the blue triangles are mtx only.

EvilBit,

Generally agreed. But it shocks me just how many games out there are making crazy amounts of money just selling cosmetics. I still remember horse armor! It was a scandal!

Sylvartas,

Hell, as a “vanilla” destiny 2 veteran, last time I tried to check it out I had no idea where to go.

ech, do games w Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2

Gaas was a mistake and I’m hoping companies begin seeing this and course correcting. I get why it happened as it was wildly successful for most, but I’m pretty sure customers don’t actually want the same game and content for forever. Maybe there’s a way to fix it without abandoning the model entirely, but personally I’m hoping it goes away for good.

Kaldo,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

but I’m pretty sure customers don’t actually want the same game and content for forever.

The success of long lasting MMOs like WoW, EVE, FFXIV, GW2, Warframe seems to suggest otherwise, as well does the longevity of games like Fortnite, LOL and other non-MMO gaas games. There are even other examples that I'd count - I'd call paradox games like stellaris GaaS as well since they live off constant updates (stellaris has had them for 7 years now and going) and paid DLC. Hell, there's people that have been playing Ark, Rust and games like that for a decade now.

So I'd say there is definitely an audience for it, a massive one, as long as its done well. Destiny devs just sucked at it and had years of controversies, this is just the latest of their fumbles.

ManosTheHandsOfFate,
@ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world avatar

Very few people want to play a single game forever. But a lot of people are willing to hop from Gaas game to Gass game.

Renacles, do games w Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2

No shit, they’ve alienated everyone interested in the first place.

mp3, do games w Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

I never played and I don’t see myself playing now as I probably missed a lot of storyline and lore that is long gone.

pozbo, do games w Report: Bungie CEO blames layoffs on waning interest in Destiny 2
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

Sure the ceo is skilled enough to blame waning interest, but is the ceo skilled enough to ask why interest has waned?

GoodEye8, (edited )

To be fair I couldn’t tell you either. Destiny has been rehashing the same shit for years now but for some reason this year people finally got fed up. I can’t believe it’s just because they released a completely filler expansion but most of the other issues have been around from previous years.

Aielman15, do games w Ways of designing intimacy in games - GameDeveloper
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never found sex scenes in games appealing. First of all, there’s rarely any build up to them. If there is, it’s just sitting there, listening to an NPC talking about themseves for 10 minutes and selecting the “good” answer to gain “affinity points” and proceed with the dialogue.

Then you get to the sex scene, and it’s either fade to black immediately (hopefully), or two uncanny valley dolls touching each other for a few seconds.

After the sex scene, the partner becomes another NPC, sitting there doing nothing, having completed their purpose. So inspiring.

CaptObvious, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"

This reads like a statement from a vulture capitalist who plans to break up the company and sell the parts to make a quick buck. One would think they would focus on building trust, not giving yet more devs reasons to use a different engine.

Jaysyn, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

I don't give a shit what happens to Unity.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unity, as a business, as a stock investment, as a C-suite and board of directors, is rotting in its casket for all I care. I have committed to never buy game built in Unity whose development started after September this year.

This whole debacle wasn’t an engineering problem; it’s not the software development staff’s fault.

Deadeyegai, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"
@Deadeyegai@lemmy.world avatar

And the dumpster fire that is Unity continues…

knF, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"

It’s all developer’s faults. If they only accepted the fair new pricing policy without protesting, this decision could have been avoided /s

DarkGamer, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

They did it to themselves. No one will trust them not to change the pricing model again.

cybersandwich,

I think the pricing model was a direct consequence of being in bad shape financially.

But obviously when you shoot yourself in the foot when you are already bleeding, it certainly doesn’t help.

ArmoredThirteen, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"

“Reducing our office footprint” these ghouls are going to fire people who aren’t following the return to office decree because it will be an easy on paper excuse. Also “revenue came in within guidance” so they expected / planned for revenue to be low enough to justify firing even more people? They’ve already done two other mass firings morale is terrible right now. Lots of the best workers have been quitting to find better work and the drain is noticable. I just need stable insurance for another 6 months then I can leave too, I hope I don’t get fucked

ohlaph,

Good luck. The market is rough out there.

ArmoredThirteen,

Thank you, I’m honestly terrified. I spent my whole life so far trying to get into this industry, I finally pull it off in my early 30s and now all this. I spent 10 years roughing it and finally have been able to do things in the last two years like go to the doctor ever. I don’t have tech people wealth laying around I’ve spent so much basically doing damage control for having previously been paycheck to paycheck. I’m only just getting the ball rolling and I’m going to be so fucked if I lose this job.

ohlaph,

I hear you there. I just purchased a house and will be in the same boat if I get laid off.

wizardbeard,
@wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I hate to say it but it might be worth looking for a job outside the games industry. It’s openly known that most gaming companies get away with terrible working conditions and employee treatment. They get away with it because there’s a revolving door of people willing to put up with shit treatment so they can say they got a job in the industry.

It’s fine if that matters to you, but you have to decide how much it matters and stick to your line in the sand. Personally I’d rather work something less interesting and have better pay and reasonable work/life balance.

ArmoredThirteen,

Thank you for the caution but I’m very aware of what I’m getting into. I have a life goal and I’m ride or die on this one.

HubertManne, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

layoffs for thee and massive bonuses and golden parachutes for me (me being the execs who made the decision to sink the company)

KingThrillgore, do games w Unity is reviewing its product portfolio and says layoffs are "likely"
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

You don’t say?

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