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1917isnow, do gaming w The 'rushed' attempt to rehabilitate Cities Skylines II is becoming a cautionary tale
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Meanwhile, Rift Wizard 2 is being hailed as “the greatest game possible” by Forbes and WSJ. “Modding is going to be even better now, holy shit,” experts consulted by NYT said.

Son_of_dad,

I feel overloaded with these pixelated or purposely low grade games. That’s all they make now,I just want more AAA single player games

ours,

Sony was leading with those and that seemed to have caved in.

cAUzapNEAGLb, do gaming w The 'rushed' attempt to rehabilitate Cities Skylines II is becoming a cautionary tale

I wish they’d make this game good

I was so excited in October, but I’m glad I waited for the reviews

I watched every dev notes that released weekly in the lead up, I was part of the hype. Hundreds if not thousands of hours into cs1.

I’m still waiting for this game, I can’t wait to buy this game.

But I’m not buying some half baked beta game.

1984,
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I bought it but haven’t played it nearly at all. Just lost interest in it when everything felt slow.

It will probably become quite popular in a few years when better hardware is default.

copd,

Ah you’re one for those buy before reading reviews kind of people

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

No I bought it after the reviews were bad, but figured they would quickly fix the issues. They did not

DebatableRaccoon,

I’m not sure which is more foolish

Dirk,
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I wish they’d make this game good

It should have been optimized to run good on common PC configurations. It should have mods since day 1 via the Steam Workshop.

This would have solved 99% of all complaints.

DebatableRaccoon,

Sadly short-sighted “money now” comes first

hitmyspot,

Which leads to less money. I’d prefer a few failed games and the industry learns. Fun games sell, it microtransaction nor half baked shovelware. Some strike it lucky with micro transactions, but only if the game is good.

DebatableRaccoon,

I know. I’m personally looking forward to WB declaring bankruptcy now that the morons have announced they’re doubling down on shitservice despite Hogwarts and Shiticide Squad showing what the public actually wants.

ag10n,

In my experience I’m actually impressed with the ‘full simulation’ performance so far.

Absolutely it was released far too early, I’m looking forward to feature parity with CS1 and getting it to a proper state.

BruceTwarzen,

I still don't see the point of a sequel in the first place.

RGB3x3, (edited )

Probably for engine updates, systems improvements, performance improvements, graphical improvements, to recharge people for more game.

That’s why they would do it, not saying that’s what they did, except that last point.

RageAgainstTheRich, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

The ONLY GaaS game i have ever liked is genshin impact. I like that there is a ton of content that is completely free. And i don’t really care about having strong maxed out characters so I’m just enjoying the world and story.

Besides that, i hate GaaS. Every company wants to make one and they all fail. Just give me my nice stories and gameplay and I’m good.

Kolanaki, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability
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I just want games made by people who are trying to make a good game, and not games made by people or companies that are only trying to make money. Not one GaaS game is actually special enough to warrant spending more than the base price of the game on (and many aren’t even worth that when their next best competitor is fuckin’ free to play.)

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability
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I’ve been saying GaaS is horrible forever. (well okay I’ve been saying Anything as a Service sucks and I’ve been dying on this hill. The only GaaS shit I “own” I got for free). Now that I’ve got that hipster shit out of my system, can the games industry go back to releasing finished games please? I said please this time dammit.

xkforce,

The only time games were finished was back in the days when you couldnt patch bugs. And that was back when games were designed to be such a pain in the ass to play that you couldnt beat them during one rental period so youd have to rent them more than once to beat them. Or the arcade machines being coin operated.

GlitterInfection, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

But I want to be exploited indefinitely!

radix, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability
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99% of gamers knew this years ago.

It’s always been a race to gobble up the handful of whales that keep the mobile game industry alive. Now add hundreds more desktop and console games to that list. Sure, there are lots of people that will happily spend thousands of dollars on any shitty game, but once you’ve got the entire industry spending billions fighting over those players, the well runs dry eventually.

Shadywack,
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Underrated comment honestly. That’s nailed on the head, greed drove billions in investments to compete for whales and now it looks like a wasteland…compounded by the fact that the whales were always unsustainable users in the first place. Sometimes rich people were whales but the majority of the time they were users who didn’t have a pot to piss in, in the first place.

ampersandrew, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability
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There was an article from years back, I want to say around 2019 or so on then-Gamasutra, about how it was already too late to stop the bubble from bursting because all of these games are trying to get everyone’s attention (I’m having trouble finding it now). Now the bubble is bursting, and big games these days have dev cycles of about 5 years, putting us right here in 2024. Get dev cycles to 3 years or less so that you can actually react to changing market conditions, and charge a fair price for a good product. Maybe sequel it or otherwise make regular old expansion DLC. That was sustainable. No one even makes a multiplayer game anymore unless it’s intended to be rigorously competitively balanced or suck up all of your time and money through grinding.

ryathal,

Everyone wants WoW levels of income without WoW levels of effort.

I also don’t think companies realized how competitive live services are, very few people will buy in to more than one live service at a time.

VaultBoyNewVegas,

It took WoW near a decade to make as much as it does though. MMO’s aren’t exactly profitable in the early years.

NaibofTabr,

Get dev cycles to 3 years or less so that you can actually react to changing market conditions, and charge a fair price for a good product.

This industry’s already killing people with overwork and stress. Increasing the time pressure isn’t going to improve the quality or bring the price down.

We don’t need faster game development, there are already more games out there than anyone could play. We (the market) need to encourage quality over quantity.

ampersandrew,
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The industry kept making games bigger that would have been better off if they’d stayed smaller. I’m not saying to make the games they make now in less time. I’m saying stop making games that take 5 years to make and instead make games that take 3 years to make.

billiam0202,

We (the market) need to encourage quality over quantity.

But how will I get the dopamine hit and instant gratification the first time I start a new game?

ours,

You’ve described the AA/indie scene which took the chunk of the market big publishers abandoned including whole genres of games.

The problem is investors saw the line go way up, passing even Hollywood so to keep it riding forever they apply Hollywood-sized solutions.

Except you can’t just shuffle live services a few weeks around another so you can milk the box office. They want us to spend all our time in their game services so people will pick one game for a time so they are cannibalizing each other and eroding trust as games fail and abandon the players that did buy into them.

ampersandrew,
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And what you’re describing is the economic realities of a bubble bursting, which means they have to pivot to making something sustainable that the market actually wants. That doesn’t mean AA or indie exclusively. It does mean smaller scope. Halo and Gears of War could be created much faster when they were linear games, and now they’re both open world and arguably worse off for it.

CluckN, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

Who cares what devs think? The room full of suits says live service makes money so it shall be.

Gabu, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

Of course they did. Godot is a freaking dream for most game genres.

FrankTheHealer, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

Another jewel in Godot’s crown. Love to see it

TIMMAY, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

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  • Timecircleline,

    Whoa whoa whoa. Thats some dangerous words. Slay the Spire is highly addictive.

    TIMMAY,

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  • nyctre,

    Lol! yeah! What sort of nerd do you have to be to enjoy card games? And sports games? Like, go outside, brah. When I get my game on, it’s usually CoD on my Xbox. Headshot after headshot, teabag after teabag. It’s just something else, you know? Not something you can get by playing a card game or some rts or something where someone else is doing the shooting for you… Like… Get some skill brah.

    /s … Pfew… That was hard to get through… sorry about that, couldn’t help myself

    Wiz,

    I just bought it for my phone a couple days ago, and it sucked up my weekend.

    Just one more game!

    Timecircleline,
    Underwaterbob, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    Godot is awesome. I hope all the attention that has been spewed upon them thanks to Unity’s fuck up doesn’t spoil it.

    Chee_Koala, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity
    Chee_Koala,

    I hecking love working with Godot btw, nothing is perfect but man is it glorious shiny FOSS and extremely usable!

    some_designer_dude,

    And it’s going to get so much better with more people flocking to it!

    Gabu,

    What I love most about Godot is that it doesn’t give a fuck whether you want to use python-like code or write your own libraries in C#/C++. 10 minutes and you’ve got something working.

    Chee_Koala,

    I can’t even imagine how that backend must look, 🤣 I work 100% in GDscript, but it’s really cool to hear : “Yeah it’s about 30% GDscript and 70% C++”

    Coming from Java, I personally love how signals work between classes. Friggin hated my getters and setters, and the way signals work in Godot is just like how my brain thinks about that problem, so very easy to use and understandable.

    Plastic_Ramses, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    I’ve got to imagine Epic is pretty pissed at Unity right now. Both had a pretty sweet gig “competing” against each other.

    But since Unity’s brain-dead maneuver, we suddenly have a foss alternative to both, and they might actually have to innovate now.

    aksdb,

    As much as I like to shit on Epic, but UE 5.x is pretty much innovative with each minor release. Watching the release videos of what the engine can do in realtime is always impressive. They are used as realtime backgrounds for movie sets.

    some_designer_dude,

    Unreal 5 is… unreal.

    ManniSturgis,

    I think it’s funny you try to show how good the game engine is by saying it’s used in movies. Like sure it’s impressive, but graphics don’t make a game. Give me one good game with simple graphics built in Godot, rather than 100 fancy locking $80 micro-transaction infested always online games.

    CosmoNova,

    Your argument has nothing to do with UE5‘s or Godot‘s strengths and weaknesses. You could literally flip it and it would make just as much (or little) sense: Give me one good asset library game in UE5, rather than 100 custom asset containing $80 micro-transaction infested always online Godot games. See? The argument doesn‘t actually say much about the engines, just about monetization which you can handle completely independently from the software. If your project makes a million or less, UE5 is free to use for anyone. That makes it pretty good for tiny indie devs and hobbyists actually.

    aksdb,

    Do you mix game development with engine? Of course an engine doesn’t make an innovative game by itself. An engine is - hence the name - only the means to an end to help develop a game. Innovative games are all over the place in regards to the engines they use; from in-house/custom to products like unity, unreal, etc.

    That you have the impression that engines like UE and Unity are “less innovative” by judging released games just shows how many games are developed using these engines - especially Unity. It’s so damn easy to build games with it, that many people do, even when they only build something simple. And that’s fine … it means that more people can channel their creativity into game development, even when it doesn’t yield anything ground breaking.

    It also shows, though, that developers can focus more on the game development and have to deal less with engine development and now even asset creation, since these engines also bring asset catalogs. So it’s really quite a good time to dive into game development, which fosters creativity and in the end there will also be innovative games among them.

    WarlordSdocy,

    Yes but at the same time Unreal doesn’t really compete with Unity at all when it comes to 2D games. Unreal is primarily meant for 3D games and maybe you could make a 2D one work in it but Unity has a lot more resources for 2D games. That’s why games like this switched to Godot instead of Unreal cause Unreal wasn’t really an option. I could be wrong but when Ive made some projects in Unreal it didn’t really seem to have any options for 2D games like Unity has.

    FiniteBanjo,

    It’s got all of the functionality you need but nothing in UE is “boilerplate” for 2D, meaning they don’t have the functions built for you to use out of the box. Godot has all the boilerplate for a complete novice to use after a few tutorials videos. Haven’t used Unity for maybe a decade so idk about them.

    dojan,
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    Unity’s modus operandi is to develop a feature halfway and then deprecate it and replace it with something that’s not yet released. Such a mess of a product.

    echodot,

    Sounds like Microsoft should buy them.

    FiniteBanjo,

    They also spend valuable resources hounding developers into paying them, citing made up sales estimates.

    pycorax,

    Considering Epic is funding Godot iirc, I’m sure they’re more than happy with their competitor shooting themselves in the foot.

    dtrain,

    No mention of Epic in Godot’s transparency report.

    pycorax,

    Oh, seems like it was a one time thing then. Apparently they got a grant in 2020 and that was it.

    echodot,

    Unity wasn’t innovating but I think it’s unfair to say that epic were not.

    Part of the problem is that Unity don’t actually use their own engine.

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