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PabloDiscobar, do gaming w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot
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Series Produced by
Jason F. Brown ... executive producer (24 episodes, 2019-2023)
Steve Gaub ... executive producer / co-producer (24 episodes, 2019-2023)
Tomasz Baginski ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Sean Daniel ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Lauren Schmidt Hissrich ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Mike Ostrowski ... executive producer / producer / co-executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Jaroslaw Sawko ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Piotr Sikora ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Simon Emanuel ... consulting producer / executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2021)
Matthew O'Toole ... executive producer (16 episodes, 2021-2023)
Matthew Bouch ... consulting producer (12 episodes, 2021-2023)
Katie Bullock-Webster ... post producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Declan De Barra ... supervising producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Ildiko Kemeny ... co-producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Jenny Klein ... co-executive producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Sneha Koorse ... supervising producer (8 episodes, 2019)
David Minkowski ... co-producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Suzie Shearer ... line producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Mark Birmingham ... co-producer (8 episodes, 2021)
Sean Guest ... associate producer (8 episodes, 2021)
Sam J. Brown ... associate producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Ben Burt ... associate producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Javier Grillo-Marxuach ... executive producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Haily Hall ... co-producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Sasha Harris ... producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Veselin Karadjov ... line producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Tania Lotia ... supervising producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Tera Ragan ... co-producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Alik Sakharov ... executive producer (7 episodes, 2019)
Kathy Lingg ... executive producer (6 episodes, 2019)
Juan Cano Nono ... Líne Producer Canary Islands (4 episodes, 2019)
Beau DeMayo ... co-producer (2 episodes, 2019)
Stephen Surjik ... executive producer (2 episodes, 2023)
Marc Jobst ... consulting producer (1 episode, 2019)

pivot_root,

God… it’s like having having an entire 8-level deep organizational structure for a team of 10 people. No wonder it’s mismanaged to shit.

loobkoob,

Yeah, it looks pretty bad from that list. It may not be quite as bad in practice - some of them may have their name attached because, for instance, they co-own a production company where only person is involved but all three co-owners get their names on the credits. And some of them may be involved on the technical side, some for the story side, some just for financing, etc.

But even so, that looks like far too many names to have any kind of coherent vision.

Itty53, do gaming w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot
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Huh, the games did phenomenally well in America. Weird. /s

We're in an age of knee-jerk finger pointing, with the problem getting worse the higher you get in society. It's just one giant game of blame hot-potato.

Here's the thing: The producers don't owe the fans shit. They don't owe the fans an explanation even. They owe the investors an explanation. The fans are just there, that's the reality of being a fan of something. We don't get a say, we just can choose to watch or not, and then decide to trash it or praise it online if we want to.

So while there's a problem going up the ladder of the blame game, there's another one coming back down the ladder, and it's entitlement. For some odd reason there's an air of "we deserve this content, exactly to our specifications" and it permeates games, movies, music, all of the entertainment content we have been inundated with as a society. And I think the culture generally leans towards encouraging it because it keeps the culture thriving. But it also keeps us in the exact status quo we're in as a society, beholden to these billionaire publishers we all rail on daily.

Because let's face it: We as a society spend an enormous amount of energy and as such, destroy a lot of the planet, on all this entertainment. If we can't accept that as a fact then we're fucking doomed.

Cynicivity,

Fans are very important. I think you may be on to something that we as a society are starting to feel entitled when it comes to media, but downplaying the importance of the fans and saying they don’t matter is a bit too much.

In recent memory I can think of a few examples where fans had a major effect on the entertainment content we received.

The response to the first Sonic trailer was abysmal and much of the internet called them out for Sonic’s design. The studio listened… the artist who designed Sonic’s look even went to Twitter to thank people for all of the feedback. Then they went back, redesigned his look throughout the film and we got a pretty solid film out of that.

The entirety of managed to convince WB to bring Snyder back and let him finish his vision.

I mean even in comics, the fans mattered. How many times have comics held contests or write-ins to vote on decisions for certain characters or directions to take the story. The big one that comes to mind is the death of Jason Todd. People hated his Robin and voted to kill him off. Eventually he was brought back as Red Hood, but none of this would have occurred without the fans.

Oh and who could possibly forget Morbius getting rereleased because Sony mistakenly thought people loved it since there was so much online discussion and memes regarding the movie. For better or worse, fans (consumers) did that.

Itty53, (edited )
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There's a difference between choosing and listening to fans (critics) to improve and being made to feel obligated to do so. This society literally harasses people over being upset at fictional portrayals of cartoons. Sometimes harassed right out of their chosen career. Game devs know this very well.

Content creators have no obligations to the consumers of the content, period. No more than Picasso had an obligation to paint landscapes. He didn't care to so he didn't.

Content creators, publishers, etc: they're free to make schlock we don't like, and we're free to express our disdain for it, and I'm free to point out that the folks wasting their energy complaining are indeed, wasting their energy. And cringey to boot. There's a line crossed when you start insisting and making personal commentary at all. A publisher's interests and the fan's interests are not always aligned. That's fine. You can deal with it, I promise. You bring up the snyder cut: Know who probably drove that whole push? The studio. Yeah, every one of those "fans" got played. This kind of shit is unacceptable. Period.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/justice-league-the-snyder-cut-bots-fans-1384231/

Don't encourage it.

Phrodo_00,

we're free to express our disdain for it, and I'm free to point out that the folks wasting their energy complaining are indeed, wasting their energy complaining are indeed, wasting their energy. And cringey to boot.

Oh, so you're free to complain, but when others do it it's cringey? Got it.

Itty53,
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Declaring "I shall not be purchasing [thing] because [reason]" in public is yes, very cringey. You just, don't buy the thing. That's all. No look-at-me-i'm-important declaration necessary.

My complaint isn't the same as that bullshit. Try again.

Veraxus, (edited )
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So... the supply side matters but the demand side does not? Pfft.

If you make a thing that has an established fan base, and the fans are not happy, you screwed up. This isn't a problem with fans, it's a you problem. So how do you NOT screw up? You listen to the fans. Ideally, you hire people who are fans themselves.

Let's analogize: say carrots are in high demand - people can't get enough of them. And you tell everyone you have a big shipment of carrots coming in. And you set up a store called "Jim-Bob's Carrot Emporium", and people are lined up around the block... but it turns out the only thing you sell are potatoes... yeah, people are going to be pissed, and they will be justified, because you sold them a lie.

ImaginaryFox, do gaming w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot

How? Aren't they the ones in charge? American audiences have as much influence on the product they chose to deliver as Americans did for Dark. Great show by the way.

RaoulDook,

Dark and 1899 were both great. 1899 got canceled already though, because the Netflix people are stupid.

c0mput0r,

1899 was garbage and can't even be compared to Dark. Dark was so much better.

CIWS-30, do gaming w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

Finally! I haven't played an Assassin's Creed game for Years because they were too long, repetitive, and filled with boring timesinks. And I used to be a huge AC fanboy back in the day. Starting from 1, I played each release every year until Revelations + 3 burned me out. Took me years to recover enough to play AC 4 and Rogue. Never even touched Unity, barely tried Syndicate (and only because I got it for free), and all the new ultra-long ones starting with Origins I didn't even bother starting, except for Valhalla during a free play weekend on Steam. Valhalla annoyed me enough over that weekend that I just didn't bother buying.

I've been waiting for a "back to basics" game like Mirage for a while now, and the fact that it has callbacks to the gameplay and setting of AC 1 is a big plus for me. I'll wait for reviews, but it's the most interested I've been in an AC game for a long time.

CynAq, do gaming w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist
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During what I still consider the golden age of gaming, which is 1997-2004, most single player games were aiming for 30-35 hours. That has been my sweet spot ever since but it doesn't mean a game can't be satisfying with less than that.

I personally don't find anything shorter than 10 hours enough of an experience. 25-30 sounds very reasonable.

STUPIDVIPGUY, do gaming w Assassin's Creed Mirage will take 25-30 hours to complete – and that's if you're a completionist

don’t buy it ot will just be the same as all the other games

HeyJoe, do games w Visions of Mana co-director Kenji Ozawa opens new studio following NetEase departure

That’s some good news. I was sad when the last game came out it was basically released within the same week that the visions series was no longer going to be created. I hope they make some more RPGs and try to make something new and original.

Whorehoarder, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign releases May 30th

Hello. I live under rock. What is Nightreign?

donuts,

Try opening the article!

The FromSoftware spin-off to its incredibly successful epic will be out on 30th May 2025 across PS4, PS5, Xbox consoles, and PC (Steam).

First revealed at last year’s The Game Awards, Nightreign is a standalone online co-op game for three players, but with hints of Fortnite.

simple,

A $40 co-op focused spinoff. From what we understand the game loop will be jumping into a randomly generated world with friends and surviving with friends for 3 days. There’s a playtest soon, we’ll see how it actually plays then.

ShepherdPie,

3 days of surviving against Elden Ring enemies or what? Sounds like a weird departure from SoulsBorne games.

Kolanaki,
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The whole description of the game when they announced it made it sound like a mod. I was shocked to see it’s an official Fromsoft game. I do not have high hopes for it.

dogslayeggs,

My understanding from a video I watched is it’s a mix of shrinking world survival like PUBG and co-op Elden Ring with a boss at the end of each day when a shrinking happens.

BroBot9000,
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A cash grab from a corporation that doesn’t want to pay artists to make an original game.

Stovetop,

I’d say you’d have a point if FromSoft didn’t just publish two major games within a year of each other (Elden Ring, Armored Core) and then a game-sized DLC on top of that.

Could Nightreign have just been another Elden Ring DLC instead? I don’t know, maybe. But it’s not priced as a full game and I’m not sure why people expect it to be one.

ampersandrew,
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It’s an original game. Many assets are not original. Many others will be. This is a very normal part of game development. As much as “asset flips” were an issue back when the Steam floodgates opened, people seem to have really misunderstood what the problem actually was.

Elevator7009sAlt, do games w Football Manager 25 cancelled, as Sega shifts focus to FM26

I’m not a football/soccer person, but I do feel bad for what happened here. I saw in the article a survey on your favorite management game with a Football Manager title as an option, how are these games if you look at them as management games instead of as sports game?

stephaaaaan, do games w Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater release date leaks

Damn this looks good. I’m so looking forward to this. You really can tell that they put their heart and soul into this :)

MyNameIsAtticus,
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I feel like Remakes recently have just been like that. This is looking good, and then there’s the SH2 Remake and from what i heard all the Resident Evil Remakes have been amazing too

emax_gomax, do games w Ubisoft announces studio closure as it lays off 185 staff

Wow AC shadows pre sale levels must be really bad. Not too surprising tho. For a studio that basically said “there’s way more interesting time periods we want to focus on” the fact they finally went to feudal Japan felt more like they ran out of interesting ideas. Doesn’t help ghost of tsushima beat them by a few years and was basically the best AC game since black flag.

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) do games w Looks like Horizon's unannounced MMO has been quietly cancelled

How about give us some sequels to long dead and beloved IPs you that were tantalized by Sony in Astro Bot eh? Still waiting on Syphon Filter ending… killzone? Resistance? The Getaway??? (Okay maybe not that one due to GTA existing)

Carighan, do games w Looks like Horizon's unannounced MMO has been quietly cancelled
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Good.

hal_5700X, do games w Looks like Horizon's unannounced MMO has been quietly cancelled

Astroturfing failed.

hal_5700X, do games w Assassin's Creed Shadows delayed again to March 20

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