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EncryptKeeper, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

As of last week, Cult of the Lamb

BumpingFuglies, do gaming w I don't hate Body Type replacing Gender, I hate laziness

To me, the obvious answer is to do away with the concept of “gender” altogether. It’s a societal construct that doesn’t really need to exist in video game character creation, anyway.

Everybody is born one of two biological sexes: male or female. There. Those are your choices. Call it “apparent sex” and include a pronoun option to allow for players who want to roleplay gender nonconforming characters.

apotheotic,

But like, not everybody is born one of two biological sexes, so if we’re doing away with societal constructs we may as well get rid of this nebulous concept of a rigid biological sex binary.

BumpingFuglies,

Technically there is an extremely small amount of people born as both sexes (intersex), but they tend to have appearances that favor one sex over the other, so from a game development perspective, they’re covered by having two sex options.

apotheotic,

I think you’ll find a good many intersex folk would have something to say about being “covered” by being entirely excluded by your arbitrary choice of categorisation.

BumpingFuglies,

Eek, this reads like a white person getting upset about someone using “black” instead of “African American”

Who’s being excluded here? My suggestion was to change ‘sex’ in video game character creation to ‘apparent sex.’

apotheotic,

You said in your comment “they tend to have appearances” which in itsself alludes to the true fact that there’s some who won’t be “covered”. I was more upset by your dismissal of their experiences than I was by your game design suggestion.

TimewornTraveler,

OOPS sex is a social construct too

BumpingFuglies, (edited )

How so? Biological sex is a quantifiable fact. Every sexually reproducing species on the planet has two sexes, easily identified by gamete size - males have small gametes and females have large gametes.

I don’t wanna start a flame war, but the science on this is sound. Sure, in science, nothing is absolute, but there’s never been any evidence of more than two sexes.

apotheotic,

Biological sex is far more complicated than small and large gametes. You can choose (somewhat arbitrarily) to define biological sex by one or more of

  • chromosomal sex (which has a variety of variations beyond just xx and xy, so you’re fucked for choosing a binary here)
  • hormonal sex (which has a variety of variations beyond just “male hormones” and “female hormones”, so you’re fucked for choosing a binary here)
  • reproductive sex (which is gonna leave you defining a lot of people quite incorrectly compared to the other criteria listed)
  • how receptive their cells are to particular hormones (which will vary wildly from person to person, so good luck shoving this into a binary)

The only people who think biological sex is a simple categorisation are people who don’t fully understand the biology of sex.

BumpingFuglies,

Man, I thought I’d found my people in this community, but my perfectly civil comment discussing scientific definitions of ‘sex’ was removed. That shows that this is likely just another echo chamber that can’t abide civil conversation around scientific facts when said facts make people feel icky.

The worst part is I’m on your side. I’m all in on inclusivity and representation. I’m trans. I’m bisexual. I’m just open-minded, seemingly unlike whichever mod removed my comment.

You, apotheotic, seem civil enough. I was looking forward to discussing biological sex with you, maybe expanding my understanding in the process, but it’s not worth trying to have a conversation if I have to worry about my responses being unceremoniously removed. For what it’s worth, your reply has inspired me to do some more reading on the subject.

Reddit mod practices seem to have bled into every corner of Lemmy. Community: blocked. Good riddance.

apotheotic,

I think it may have been removed because it was a misrepresentation of fact.

In case you still want to understand, here’s a good place to start:

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/c41c8b93-16b8-4b58-93df-904e6a2f9ef8.webp

Blackmist, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

Grab a PS2 emulator and give Kuri Kuri Mix a go.

It’s by FromSoft of all people and it seems hardly anyone has heard of it.

soliloquy, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

Popping in to suggest Ship of Fools and Cult of the Lamb

Ship of Fools was shorter than I’d like but lots of fun. Currently playing through Cult of the Lamb co-op and and we’ve been having a blast

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

In the same vein, check out Klei’s new game Rotwood. I’m early access, but well worth the price, and will no doubt receive updates for years to come.

dino, do gaming w #StopKillingGames Update: Germany becomes 4th county to hit threshold

I don’t understand this bullshit, if developers/publishers drop their games, just stop investing time into their games or buying from them. How could you force private companies to invest into something which gives zero return?

B0rax,

The point is not to force them to invest into it, but to open them up if they don’t want to support them anymore.

dino,

“open them up”? make them open source or what? thats ridicolous

B0rax,

No. Remove the need for a server that the company provides for example.

Spectrism, (edited )
@Spectrism@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Why is that ridiculous? Seems like a totally fine solution to me. Probably not possible in most cases due to licencing issues, but if not this is the best thing a developer could do. And making games and/or their servers open source isn’t even the only option. In most cases it will suffice to just provide server binaries and patch the game to make it work with self-hosted servers, or just patch it to make it playable offline. It’s that simple. Developing games with that in mind from the beginning makes this even easier.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

They’ve got options.

  • never build in forced server components to begin with
  • patch out the need for the server as part of the last update before support ends
  • give buyers access to run their own servers with an officially-provided executable and set the client to connect to that executable
  • open source the whole thing

And maybe others. It’s about making sure that a product you have paid for actually works as it was sold to you. It’s honestly a really basic consumer protection concept. You sell me a television and it stops working within a reasonable lifetime due to your own failure, and you’re obligated to repair or replace it. The same should be true of software.

dino,

Lol, yea exactly. Thats why electornic devices stop working after their guarantee runs out 80% of the time… ;)

awesome_lowlander,

There’s like 2 FAQs linked by OP, you could have looked at them…

www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

PunchingWood, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

For crafting/exploration/survival I’d recommend Valheim. Don’t judge it by its looks, the game is insanely fun with friends.

Ninjazzon, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?
@Ninjazzon@infosec.pub avatar

Rayman Legends.

Glide, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

A couple titles that deserve mention and I don’t see in any other lists:

Children of Mora - Narrative driven action RPG with some light Roguelite-ish elements. Amazing world building and story telling, good character choice/building and gameplay.

Cassette Beasts - Pokemon, if it were good. Much more mature story, tons of quality of life systems that makes building things fun, a weakness system that matters a lot more than “number big” and the entire game is double battles. I’ve played the game start-to-finish in couch co-op and it was incredible. They’ve recently added online multiplayer, but I cannot say with 100% certainty that the online allows you to engage with the story together. Couch co-op has one player play as the companion character in an otherwise unchanged experience whereas online has one player character hop into another player characters world.

Weird enough, the Monster Hunter franchise - I’m not sure how this isn’t anywhere else in this thread. Use large weapon to hunt large monster. Build bigger weapon to hunt bigger monster. World and Rise are both on sale on Steam right now. World is dumb to move through the story together though, despite the fact that most fans who aren’t me are likely to call it the better game.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

Assuming Steam?

  • Halo, obviously. Master Chief Collection is pretty cheap to pick up these days, don’t miss out on the Halo 3 ODST DLC.
  • Ready Or Not can be a challenge with just two people, but it is very rewarding to get a good score.
  • Zero Hour is very similar to Ready Or Not, but it has different features and I find it a bit easier.
  • Deep Rock Galactic
  • Risk of Rain 2
  • Elden Ring (Seamless Coop Mod is highly recommended)
  • Monster Hunter World (include Iceborn DLC)
  • Generation Zero
  • Project Zomboid (if you like this one you’ll probably sink hundreds of hours into it)
  • theHunter Call of the Wild (chill hunting shooter)
  • Farming Simulator 2019 (new ones may be better, haven’t researched)
  • Barotrauma
  • Factorio
  • Elite Dangerous
  • Green Hell
  • The Forest
  • Sons of the Forest
  • Morrowind has an OpenMW fork that supports multiplayer, if you get it set up this can be a fun game to play
cm0002, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?
@cm0002@lemmy.world avatar

I believe the entirety of the Gears of War series has a co op mode

Also if you don’t know anything about the series like I did before playing Gears 5 with my kids, don’t play it with kids…

NegativeLookBehind, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Satisfactory

CitizenKong, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?

Gothic had NPC pathfinding and behavior routines before Bethesda did it with Morrowind (and Gothic did it better).

krzschlss, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?
@krzschlss@lemmy.world avatar

Dark/Demon Souls. Elden Ring

Rolling to evade incoming enemy attack.

Always thought it being a strange way to do this. Bloodborne and Sekiro dodges seem more realistic.

Hope Vaati explains.

Decoy321,

Hate to break it to you, but this had been around for decades before those games came around.

ryathal,

Monster hunter beat them to it.

Kwakigra, do gaming w best GBA games? I need recommendations
@Kwakigra@beehaw.org avatar

Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis is one of the best tactical rpgs I’ve ever played. I was shocked how short it was when I finished only to find I had been playing for over 40 hours.

Ugurcan, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?

Minecraft singlehandedly created a genre called “Survival”.

I think most of the games around 2005’s Indie Game Boom created lots of brilliant mechanics that’s been copied still.

Soggy,

Single-handedly? Nah. It pulled a lot of existing ideas together though, and it’s certainly responsible for the popularity. Another Minecraft influence is early-access.

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