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Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?

Obligatory: Roguelike (well, Roguelite but that starts getting into the berlin bullshit). Rogue is a class in tabletop RPGs and a historic game. Rouge is a bunny rabbit in sonic and a kind of makeup.

That aside, here are a few off the top of my head:

  • Distance: Mostly a “beat the clock” style racing game in the vein of trackmania, although the synchronous MP with collision is a great time at a party. But it also has a weirdly good singleplayer campaign with both a narrative and some solid mechanics and set pieces. Also a ridiculous steam workshop presence
  • Tales of Maj’Eyal probably doesn’t belong here as I think it has been ridiculously successful for a game made by a small team and consistently comes up in discussions by anyone who is aware of what “the berlin interpretation” is. But it feels like it is almost completely ignored in the overall cultural zeitgeist when roguelikes/lites comes up. Which is a shame since TOME is very much a roguelike (technically lite, but… meh) with some solid design concepts. The vast majority of runs feel like they were “worth it” and even the early leveling has enough variety and wrenches that it feels less like you lost an hour of your life when you wipe and more like you get to do the Sand Worm again. Some of the unlocks are complete bullshit (although, I want to say the special magic trees were just made “free” because everyone hated it?), but it is generally the kind of game where you can work toward something with every run.
  • UFO: Aftermath/Aftershock (fuck Afterlight). Back in the dark ages between Silent Storm (WOOO) and the 2012 nu-XCOM, there were a lot of eurojank games in the genre. And while I don’t think UFO Aftermath was “good”, I do think it was competent. But mostly? It is probably the best Stargate SG1 game ever made. Because the devs were trying to cash in on that Jagged Alliance craze and made the human weapons stage a lot longer. So you might find yourself in an endgame with a few G36s backing up your plasma rifles as you fend off the obligatory base invasion. Aftershock, and especially Afterlight, lost a lot of this charm (because they are years later timeline wise) but were still fun
  • Silent Storm. Sorry, Silent Mother Fucking Storm, if we want to be specific. Alternate history WW2 where you play as a special organization for the Allies or Axis that are investigating a third party who have the potential to turn the war itself and blah blah blah. Mostly it is probably one of the best balanced JA2 style AP-based strategy games out there (just… get a save editor because the leveling/training is broken) with an emphasis on line of sight, trajectories, and full destruction of terrain. The kind of game where you might spend six “turns” getting your scout into position so that you can have your sniper plug a person from behind a wall, your machine gunner unload on people sleeping in a barracks, and your grenadier to… make the guard tower not exist anymore. All without ever directly targeting an enemy because you are fully operating based on magic radio commands or whatever. Again, this probably doesn’t belong here since anyone who liked JA2 back in the day was talking about this but it more or less fell off the face of the earth in favor of nu-XCOM. And I feel like the genre would be pretty revolutionized if people remembered this existed.
FireTower,
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Thanks for pointing out the rogue typo, I use swipe texting on my phone so I occasionally get stuff wrong and I tend not to proof read as much as I aught to. Either way it’s fixed now.

GrayBackgroundMusic, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?

Hardspace Shipbreaker. You’re a wage slave (literally) in a space dock, taking apart ships and throwing the bits into the right bins. Doesn’t sound super fun, but it is. 1) You’re chopping up ships but you get to use LASERS!!! and the energy grappling hook. So satisfying. 2) The physics is 90% spot on. You’re in 3d, but it’s not purely inertial. There’s a dampening field that slows things down, so it doesn’t get too outta hand. There are a couple of other quirks, but they’re not hugely impacting. 3) The soundtrack is perfect. It’s a very bluesy, banjo style for a very bluecollar type job. 4) The voice acting is amazing. Every line from Weaver is just perfect. You hate Hal with a passion (you’re supposed to). The writing is a little hammy, but they have to rush it bc it’s really a minor bit of the game. (Spoiler, it’s very pro-labor and anti-capitalist, so if that triggers you, don’t play it.)

Hardspace: Shipbreaker - Launch Trailer | PS5 Games It’s also on PC and game pass.

I’ve played it thru twice. The first time as-is, but the 2nd time I shut off the “15 minute shifts” option. I think that breaks things up too much. I think open-shift is better. I bought the vinyl soundtrack. I’m not a huge fan of vinyl, but this is the right style of music that would benefit from it.

Hardspace Shipbreaker - OST Full

Hardspace: Shipbreaker - Americana Beats to Chill to

Sabin10,

I remeber playing Jedi fallen order and seeing ships being broken down like that during the opening mission. I thought that I would rather be doing that and then hardspace showed up on steam a few days later. It’s been on my wish list for way too long, definitely going to pick it up for my next game

caseofthematts,

I’ve just recently said that on Lemmy - I said to a friend I wanted a game where you broke down and scrapped star wars ships, and they pointed me towards this game. It was recently on sale so I picked it up. It’s been an absolute blast and exactly what I was looking for (though I still wish I could do it with SW ships). I also agree about the shift timer, so thankfully there’s an option for that.

Chailles,
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The writing is a little hammy, but they have to rush it bc it’s really a minor bit of the game. (Spoiler, it’s very pro-labor and anti-capitalist, so if that triggers you, don’t play it.)

Which annoyingly, is the reason I bounced off the game. Breaking down ships is fun. That’s literally the whole reason I want to play the game. The story wants me to hate playing the game and won’t let me play until I listen to the entirety of why capitalism is bad.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

I listen to the entirety of why capitalism is bad.

Capitalism is pretty bad, so it didn’t bother me. It was refreshing to hear it in a narrative. Game devs don’t usually get to say stuff like that, so it was nice.

Chailles,
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Yeah, but you don’t need to tell me that in an unskippable cutscene (the fact that it’s unskippable is the part I have an issue with) and ironically, the gameplay is so compelling that I absolutely do not mind just wasting my life away toiling under these ridiculous work conditions.

Edit: Let’s be real here, the game didn’t need a story. Just set me up with a ridiculous amount of debt and let me just break down ship after ship. They could have just added more ships and systems than make a story that people actively would work against.

captain_aggravated,
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The main point of criticism Yahtzee had amounted to “just play the audio log over gameplay. Let me listen to it while I break hard space ships”

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

You know, it seems that several of the games I play has some element of “corporations bad” to it. Subnautica’s Alterra, Satisfactory’s Ficsit…

FireTower,
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Major studios pander to current sentiment but don’t seek to resolve the issues. For example the cyberpunk genre is an indictment of many things including the reckless pursuit of technology and corporate super powers. Yet Cyberpunk 2077 with partner with Amazon Prime gaming and let the man leading Neurolink voice a character in their game.

That’s not to disparage 2077 just an acknowledgement of the reality of triple A game development. They’re making products most of the time rather than art. Their worms can still be enjoyable but rarely get to make scathing statements.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

Major studios pander to current sentiment but don’t seek to resolve the issues.

Lol, seek to resolve issues? They’re not the government. They’re art. Art critiques things and suggests people to change things. It came write laws.

Yet Cyberpunk 2077 with partner with Amazon Prime gaming and let the man leading Neurolink voice a character in their game.

The devs and writers don’t make the business decisions. Wish they did, they’d have a better product, imo. The marketing is done by someone else who the devs, usually, have no control over.

FireTower,
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From my perspective producing art can be pivotal in impacting change, good or bad by swaying public sentiment. I’m not claiming that they can pull out the old quill and ink and pen up some statues, but that voicing distaste is the first step in enacting change.

Voicing thought alone doesn’t impact change, but neither does enacting laws, you also require enforcement. But laws enforced without public support don’t last forever.

On the last paragraph I think we had a disconnect, I had assumed you said devs in reference to an entire studio. But it seems you were strictly speaking about the individual of that occupation in a larger studio.

Moonguide,

It still is a little lib-ish. The game goes to great lengths at showing Silverhand (and anyone blaming capitalism) as being a bit too harsh or off their rocker, with V explicitly mocking his leftist opinions in dialogue many times (replaying the game, once during an elevator ride, another after dealing with the chapel in pacifica). The game is very on the nose about blaming corporations but spares the rod when talking about the system.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

Yep, there’s a reason for that!

just_another_person,

Underappreciated for sure, but to be fair, it’s super repetitive. If they’d added a secondary component or loop where you could black market trade or participate in the economy of the game some how to drown out the monotony of breaking the same ships over and over, I’d have played it more.

CatUser, do gaming w Two games free on Epic Games - Model Builder and Soulstice
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Genuine question, why the Steam reviews matters at all?

HidingCat,

They're a good gauge of a game's quality; it's not rocket science is it?

Vordus,

Quality, no. Reception, yes. These two things aren’t necessarily the same.

TwilightVulpine,

Not necessarily, but there's some correlation. Games widely praised either are quality games or they resonate with their audience in some particular way, which can be itself an indication of value. Conversely a game that is widely panned might have some significant flaws or be lacking in some fundamental way.

Sure, there is always the odd Garfield Kart meme and some controversy skewing that. But because lists of reviews are easily available on the store page you can look at what is it that the other customers are praising or criticizing, and make your mind based on whether you see merits in these opinions.

Overall, even if you don't trust popular opinion, it's still a very useful tool. Frankly, often more useful than mainstream game reviews that tend to be overly lenient with triple-A publishers, and neglect indies.

thingsiplay,
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An individual review does not matter too much (unless it has good text), but an overall score can give a hint. In example if a game gets a lot of flag from the users of recent reviews, than something is going on. It's always good to have a way of user reviews alongside the media outlets. You can even see if the game got for free (on paid games) and how long the guy played it at the time of writing the review. And it should incentivize developers to work on the game. Better than having nothing, like on Epic Games. User/Player opinions are not welcome there at all.

CatUser,
@CatUser@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thanks.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

To know whether the game is good or bad.

123, do games w Two games free on Epic Games - Model Builder and Soulstice

Link isnt provided in post so here it is: www.epicgames.com

smeg,

Or store.epicgames.com/en-US/free-games if you always want to go straight to the freebies (though you have to wait for the actual freebies to load, they show you the freemium ones while you wait!)

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

I don’t know how I managed to forget to link to them… Thanks!

nudnyekscentryk, (edited ) do parlamentarna w Gmina o najbardziej reprezentatywnych wynikach
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Najbardziej rozjechany wynik

A, jeszcze pytanie, która gmina miała (w mojej metryce!) wyniki najbardziej rozjechane z wynikami krajowi. W 2015 była to Pałecznica w małopolskim, a w 2019 Ruda-Huta w lubelskim. Poniżej wyniki szczegółowe (w nawiasach ogólnokrajowe dla porównania):

2015 gm. Pałecznica

  • PiS: 27,51% (37,58%)
  • POKO: 2,81% (24,09%)
  • Razem: 0,91% (3,62%)
  • KORWiN: 1,90% (4,76%)
  • PSL: 58,97% (5,13%)
  • ZLew: 0,99% (7,55%)
  • Kukiz’15: 6,16% (8,81%)
  • Nowoczesna: 0,53% (7,60%)

głosowało 1316 osób.

2019 gm. Ruda-Huta

  • POKO: 5,76% (27,40%)
  • Konfederacja: 3,67% (6,81%)
  • PSL: 40,77% (8,55%)
  • PiS: 46,81% (43,59%)
  • SLD: 2,60% (12,56%)

głosowały 1262 osoby.

Generalnie w danych widoczna jest bardzo silna zbieżność pomiędzy rozjechaniem wyników, a popularnością PSL. No nie powinno to dziwić, bo PSL ma bardzo regionalne poparcie, pomimo bycia komitetem ogólnokrajowym.

Przepływy

Przyjąłem następujące przeliczniki według tego, jak kojarze transfery między partiami:

  • POKO w 2019 = PO + Nowoczesna + ZLew/2 z 2015
  • PiS w 2019 = PiS w 2015
  • SLD w 2019 = Razem + ZLew/2 z 2015
  • PSL w 2019 = PSL + Kukiz/2 z 2015
  • Konfederacja w 2019 = KORWiN + Kukiz/2 z 2015

wtedy otrzymujemy:

  • największy wzrost PiSu w Klwowie: z 37,17% na 70,19%, kosztem wyłącznie PSL
  • największa strata PiSu w Cisnej z 35,56% na 25,17%, na korzyść SLD
  • największy wzrost Lewicy w Hrubieszowie: z 2,71% (Razem) i 5,93% (ZL) na 22,03% (SLD), kosztem PO
  • najbardziej niezmiennie głosuje Bukowina Tatrzańska, przepływy w granicach 1,3 pp. (a PiS z dokładnością do 0,02%)
  • wyborcy zagraniczni bardzo zmotywowali się do głosowania na opozycję pomiędzy wyborami, bo Lewica ma +12, KO +8, natomiast PSL -4, a PiS i Konfederacja po -8.
  • w samej Warszawie PiS poleciał w dół wszędzie poza Białołęką, Targówkiem i Ursusem (ale też w granicach ułamków pp.); Konfa poleciała w dół w każdej dzielnicy o ok. 2pp; POKO tak samo 3 do 7 pp. w dół, natomiast Lewica w dzielnicach warszawskich urosła pomiędzy 4 a 9 pp.

Inne ciekawe rekordy które warto wspomnieć

N0body, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?

Everyone talking about Starfield reminded me to go back and play Outer Worlds again. I had forgotten how good that game was.

Defaced,

I love the outer worlds, it has such a unique style to it, very much fallout humor in space with a little bit of arcanum thrown in for good measure. IMHO outer worlds > Starfield, when I saw that neon was just one long hallway with a few neon lights and signs, I knew what I was getting into and just stopped playing. Starfield has no identity, it’s bland, space combat is annoying at best, and it’s just an unoptimized mess. Outer worlds is unique, and when I see it I know exactly what it is, I can’t say the same for Starfield.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Man i thought that game was so boring lol

just_another_person,

Agreed. It seems to be very polarized.

Cralder, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?

Mirror’s Edge Catalyst. Everybody loved the first game, but nobody played the second game, including me for a good few years. But once I decided to try it I realized how much I had been missing out. It’s really good. Making it open world really works. There is fast travel but I never once used it because just running around is so fun. If you liked the first game, please try Catalyst!

thorbot, do games w Two games free on Epic Games - Model Builder and Soulstice

Ah yes. Another game to claim which I will never download or play. But I sure as fuck will claim the shit out of it

Atomdude, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?

Mad Max. Not the best game ever, but much better than I expected.

CharlesReed,

Mad Max is honestly probably one of my most replayed and enjoyable games that I own. If it wasn't for Sims 3, it would have the most hours in my Steam library. For me there's something just so cathartic about driving around the wasteland looting scrap and beating up warboys lol. And then getting some mods/trainers involved and exploring the dev areas out in the Big Nothing is great too. I've gotten some really great screenshots out of that game.

Atomdude,

The lighting and weather is so good in that game.

Phoonzang,

I picked it up on sale after watching Fury Road, which in turn I put off watching for years because I really like the first trilogy and did not want to have that memory tainted by some cash grab Hollywood sequel. Boy was I wrong about the film, and I was equally blown away by the game, to a point I felt really guilty getting it for 10 bucks or so. I really, really wish there was a multiplayer, though.

Atomdude,

I almost gave up in the beginning because I had never played a game that relied so much on hand to hand combat. I’m so glad I pushed through.

ezures,

My biggest disappointment in it is that my favorite zone of the map only has one mission, but that mission is great. Apart of that its cool riding cars in the desert.

Voyajer, do games w Two games free on Epic Games - Model Builder and Soulstice
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Post about games on epic, comment body lists steam review scores.

Does epic still not have a review system?

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

AFAIK they don’t.

thingsiplay, do gaming w Two games free on Epic Games - Model Builder and Soulstice
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

Free games on Epic Games store. Meanwhile at Epic: laying off over 800 employees, because company spending more money than they earn.

Navar4477, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?

I feel like Outer Wilds was drowned out by Outer Worlds, and the two often get mixed up, usually to Outer Worlds’ favor.

One of my top 10 games.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Really unfortunate they both came out around the same time. Although I think the actual target markets were different.

Navar4477,

Yeah, completely different markets. My friend bought the wrong one and for months he wouldn’t try outer wilds because it “wasn’t his sort of game” when it totally was.

Frogster8,

Best game ever made, really is. First I’d played in years that felt like a fresh new experience.

Navar4477,

It really did

pomodoro_longbreak,
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Outer Worlds is an actual work of art that still manages to play and feel great.

beefcat, (edited )
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

the PC version is pretty fucked in the “feel great” department. the engine itself renders frames at arbitrary framerates just fine, but the animations (including the camera) only update at up to 60 FPS, with no in-game option to cap the frame rate to that animation rate. vsync doesn’t work properly with high refresh rates, and external framerate limiters aren’t able to get a good match. it’s borderline impossible to get this game to feel smooth with proper frame pacing, even with a vrr display.

best i could get was to use external tools to force the game to set my monitor to 60 hz, then turn on vsync in game, but this added a ton of input lag

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ah that’s too bad to hear, it felt just right on PS4

TwilightVulpine,

Seems to me like Outer Wilds outshone Outer Worlds if anything. I never hear anyone talking of Outer Worlds anymore, but Outer Wilds is still brought up as one of the greatest indie games out there.

Navar4477,

In a way, yeah! But I stand by the fact that a lot of people bought Outer Worlds thinking it was Outer Wilds.

tuna_casserole,

Mannnn. Outer Wilds is so freaking good. I had put it off for a while, but then last year I decided to go through it. It managed to be the perfect game at the perfect time. Raw intrigue and fascination turned into somehow helping me cope with the loss of my sister and dad who I had lost very recently at the time.

Kyoyeou,

I’ve never heard about Outer Wolrd, however, have been recommended Outer Wilds and it was supposed to be my summer game (but I forgot)

Geek_King, do games w Two games free on Epic Games - Model Builder and Soulstice

Epic’s game store is trash, and they fuck cleanly off with trying to fragment the PC gaming market. If they want to compete with Steam, build a better product.

DWin,

You don’t have to use the platform. Competition is good, and steam taking 30% is massive. I’m a huge fan of steam but the fears of what happens post-gabe should have us all wanting other companies to put pressure on them. Hopefully it’ll drive them to promise continued pro-consumer practices such as proton (let’s gloss over DRM)

Geek_King,

I agree competition is good, artificial segmentation is removing choice which is anti-consumer. Steam takes 30% but provides many services and features that Epic doesn’t, which is how Epic doesn’t need to charge as much, so many other services they just lack. I think more providers of options are good, as long as they’re not paying devs to lock games into their ecosystem. Valve had the option to lock down their VR headset to only work with Steam games, but didn’t, because they generally make some pretty good decisions in favor of their customers.

I agree though about what happens to steam when the current decision makers step down, it could get really gross really quick.

maniel, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?
@maniel@lemmy.ml avatar

Binary domain

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Also in the 7/10 but satisfying shooter category: Rogue Trooper

kratoz29, do games w What games can you recommend that didn't get the appreciation that they deserved?
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

Are visual novels allowed? If they are I strongly recommend you:

Hotel Dusk and its sequel, Last Window. Time Hollow.

All these three games are for the Nintendo DS.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Visual novels absolutely count, their different format allows them to tell stories in unique ways. This post is for everyone who wants an opportunity to share the titles they never get to talk about.

VioletteRei,
@VioletteRei@lemmy.world avatar

Arent they connect to Another Code? I already planned to buy the remakes

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

Hmm, I don’t think so, maybe there are hints from one game to another as in easter eggs, as Hotel Dusk and Last Window are made by the same company, but I haven’t seen anything related to that.

I will get the remake as well just to support this and see more of Kyle Hyde! (And I have never played Another Code games, so that would be interesting as well).

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