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CarlsIII, do gaming w Well, Cities: Skylines 2 is here, and it's another broken game release.

Can you at least make perpendicular roads easily? I had trouble doing that in the first game.

theangriestbird,

Here’s a pre-release video from City Planner Plays that discusses the new roadway options. I believe even C:S1 added in snap-to-angle options eventually, which made it very easy to build roads at right angles. Unless you mean parallel roads? This is something that vanilla C:S1 did not have, but it looks like C:S2 has that on launch. The new road-building tools are one of the features that had me most hyped.

CarlsIII,

Oh cool, maybe I’ll check out skylines 1 again

Rentlar,

There will be a grid feature where you can make a perfect grid of city lots at once.

Pyr_Pressure,

I had such a pain in the ass trying to make highway on ramp and off ramps look good while also being perpendicular to the highway and each other. Ruined the game for me because I couldn’t get past the first offramp to even start building 😓 bugged me way too much

Miclux, do gaming w Well, Cities: Skylines 2 is here, and it's another broken game release.

And that for a game that looks like shit.

theangriestbird,

If you compare the game on max settings to modded C:S1 (and if you ignore the leveling plot issues), I actually think it looks better than C:S1, or at least pretty close.

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

…which makes it pretty terrible. What did they change/improve if not the graphics? It should be so ahead that you don’t even have to think what looks better.

hiddengoat,

What the fuck do you expect a city builder to look like?

And seriously, are you still at the level of brain paralysis where you think PERFORMANCE = GRAPHICS?

Do you not understand CPU vs GPU bound?

Nighed,
@Nighed@sffa.community avatar

It’s a less cartoony art style I think (although the style in original skyline evolved a lot) we will see.

Remember mods can fix/change loads

Grangle1, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Some favorites of mine:

Sonic (just about every game in the series): even during the “dark age of Sonic” ('06 through Unleashed) and in flops like Forces, the one thing the series has consistently gotten right is the music. Jun Senoe will rarely steer you wrong.

Ace Attorney (also the whole series): has it all - some fun melodies, tracks that fit the mood whatever it might be, great character themes, and just about every Pursuit theme is an awesome hype track.

Octopath Traveler (the original): I love the instrumentation, more wonderful themes for characters as well as locations, and the Battle II music has to be my favorite battle music in any JRPG ever. I’m a sucker for good string music.

nevemsenki, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga. Kirill made the most fantastic OST…

Second place is for Megaman Zero series I think. I still listen to those tracks to this day while running.

kitsuneofinari, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?
@kitsuneofinari@yiffit.net avatar

Always enjoyed Skyrim’s soundtrack, but while I love it, I still enjoy and prefer Oblivions soundtrack more.

Oblivion was my introduction to the Elder Scrolls universe and the music from that game has kinda become embedded in my mind. Just my general go to music for fantasy environments including for DND or Pathfinder sessions.

I love Morrowinds music too, but if I had played Morrowind back when it first came out, I would have ranked it’s soundtrack higher than Oblivions.

bl4ckblooc, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Stardew Valley. I find myself humming the songs through the day all the time, they are so relaxing and whimsical.

glimse,

Nocturne of Ice is a top 5 video game song for me

LucasWaffyWaf, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

Einhander and Rise of the Triad have some of the greatest music to have ever been packed with a video game, hands down.

scytale, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?

OG StarCraft. Terran theme is an absolute classic.

Also, BFG Division from Doom.

trustnoone, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?

I wish I could choose size of font, so many games have a font that only works on certain TVs or played in handheld mode.

Also I wish we could all align in settings menu at some point, so I’m not hunting down these weird unexpected settings.

brie,

Search bars for settings are pretty great, especially when they match against alternate names for the same option.

Zoop,

Dear God, yes, font size options, PLEASE! I cannot express just how depressing it is to finally get a game I’ve been wanting to play so badly for years only to immediately realize I can’t play the damn thing because I can’t see the text to read it and figure out what the hell is going on or what I’m supposed to do. :(

Thalestr, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?
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  • The option to skip puzzles and not get punished for it.
  • Independent difficulty options for things like exploration, combat, crafting, etc. Whatever the game has.
joneskind, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?

As I travel a lot, I would love to see a true eco mode for my laptop. Something that would keep my fans quiet (2500rpm max).

Some games allow for FPS capping and lower settings, but it’s not always the case. Sometimes tweaking the settings doesn’t seem to make any difference to power consumption. Sometimes your only way to cap FPS is to rely on VSync, which doesn’t make much when you play on 120Hz screen.

Metro Exodus is a good example of an almost impossible to tweak game.

I think it would be nice to have a dedicated travelling mode. It would effectively help people with lower specs and entice developers to produce a more efficient code, rather than pushing for costly gears.

As a developer myself I know very well it costs money. But if I had a wish to make I’ll go for this one

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Hmm. I think that a better way to do it is probably in the OS, rather than in-game, on a per-game basis.

Processors thermal-throttle today, and OSes can limit what modes they’re allowed to shift into. And my guess is that usually, if someone wants to constrain performance, they want to do it systemwide, rather than for an individual game.

On the game developer end, if the player wants to play both in a performance-limited and not-performance-limited mode, I’d think that there are probably two ways to go about that:

  1. Permit for two different sets of saved video settings, where the player can flip between them. Honestly, I think that this is probably more tweaking than most players are going to do.
  2. Provide some kind of adaptive quality mechanism. Then, if the computer becomes “lower end”, then the adaptive quality system just twiddles settings until the target framerate is maintained.

There’s also a third point you make here, and that is that in a world with battery-powered devices, CPU/GPU usage actually matters. It’s not zero-cost to just use whatever’s available. I remember submitting an issue some time back for Caves of Qud, where the thing ran a busy loop when the window didn’t have focus, even though the game was paused (which the dev fixed, kudos to them). I noticed it because the fans would spool up when the game was in the background. That’s a game that, because it’s turn-based, has the potential to use very little CPU time, even when the game is in the foreground.

I think that there’s a fair argument that historically, most game developers, aside from maybe mobile or portable console guys, haven’t needed to worry much about consuming resources if they were available.

Speaking as a player, though, I don’t much care about power consumption if a system has wall power. But I care a lot about it if it’s battery-powered.

For phones, I kind of wish that Google would consider providing a “battery usage” rating in the app store that provides some kind of approximate metric for how much CPU time the game uses while active – if Google is going to send all kinds of telemetry from devices, might as well use that for something useful. Maybe permit the game developer to register multiple “modes” (high-power, low-power) and give a ranking for each. As things stand, though, there’s no way for the potential customer to know power consumption, and this would help push that information out to the customer.

joneskind,

I think that a better way to do it is probably in the OS, rather than in-game, on a per-game basis

Low power mode on macOS gives that kind of feature. It works well because the computer never goes beyond a certain threshold of power. I guess it’s a simple downclock of some sort, but the caveat is that it won’t adapt to more demanding zones of the game.

Permit for two different sets of saved video settings, where the player can flip between them. Honestly, I think that this is probably more tweaking than most players are going to do.

I used to do exactly that with macros in World Of Warcraft. I had 3 different kind of setup for Efficiency, Balanced and Quality gaming. That game was the first that I know of to introduce built-in FPS capping during WOTLK extension, and 10 different settings mode plus the ability to make even more custom tweaks. My only wish is that every game developer to do the same.

Provide some kind of adaptive quality mechanism. Then, if the computer becomes “lower end”, then the adaptive quality system just twiddles settings until the target framerate is maintained.

Speaking of WoW, there is a target FPS setting that will make the game lower the compute demand, but it wouldn’t help in my case since it’s meant to use as much compute power as possible to reach an FPS goal. It could do the trick if it could be coupled to a Don’t use more than 50% of the compute power, but I’m not sure a game can understand how much a computer has without reaching its limit first. Maybe some kind of benchmarking could help though.

Speaking as a player, though, I don’t much care about power consumption if a system has wall power.

Me neither. But I do enjoy a silent machine !

For phones, I kind of wish that Google would consider providing a “battery usage” rating in the app store that provides some kind of approximate metric for how much CPU time the game uses while active.

That would be very useful indeed! And another incentive for developers to write better code.

Thank you for your answer anyway!

all-knight-party, do games w What's your favorite game through the ears of Original Soundtrack?
@all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

Skyrim's a nice choice.

If I had to pick one... Katana ZERO. Nice mix of genres, really emotional soundtrack, lots of synthwave type electronic, all of the artists who contributed songs really put work and passion in there, they work excellently for the game, and are awesome to listen to in their own right outside of the game.

gamermanh, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I want decent AA back gdi

Ray tracing isn’t worth how horrible TAA can make some games look, imo. We’re getting close, but it’s been years of this and I’m so tired of choosing between ghosting and jaggies. Or worse, some games that just force the ghosting TAA onto you anyway (cyberpunk you fuck)

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

I agree with you on the TAA part but what does that have to do with ray tracing?

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

RT being a thing + deferred rendering for larger and more complex scenes pcaused rendering engines to change in ways that make AA work less good

Things like MSAA are now basically worthless due to these rendering changes, leading to TAA proliferation as it’s the best AA for it’s cost in modern engines

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

MSAA is pretty old at this point and the reason it doesn’t work well anymore is also because there’s now a lot of details in games that doesn’t require more geometry and that’s a good thing. That’s why we now have AA that doesn’t rely on the actual geometry. TAA isn’t the only one though, my favorite is SMAA and FXAA is honestly not bad either (even though it seems to depend a lot on the implementation). Both of these don’t have ghosting and they detect edges that aren’t actual geometry.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah, I’m aware MSAA is old but I’m comparing current AA to that because it was an output that matches what I want from games now in looks, if that makes sense

Those games that allow SMAA or FXAA I will 100% use one of those options, even if the implementation is hot dogshit (I seriously hate ghosting), but so many games either force TAA (again, fucking cyberpunk) or only offer TAA or nothing (or TAA and upscaling, which works but isn’t a great solution, imo)

I wish I didn’t notice this shit, my wife thinks I’m insane for being bothered by them and I’m so jealous of her for it

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

I 100% agree with this. Worst example was Subnautica, I thought motion blur was turned on but it was just TAA.

Arkham, do gaming w What is something (feature, modes, settings...) you would like to see become a standard in video games?

Gyroscope controls. Especially for first-person shooters and other first-person games. I used to be a diehard mouse and keyboard player when it came to FPSes until I played Quake 1 on the Switch with gyro controls turned on. Now I’m trying to find ways to be able to play every FPS in my collection on a TV with gyro aim because it just feels so much better.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Do you just eventually get used to gyro aim?

Everyone I know that’s gotten good with it swears up and down about it but 10 or so hours with Splatoon 2 and I felt like I didn’t get ANY better with it

This is from someone who’s pretty damn good at fps games, usually top 3 on the scoreboard no matter what game it is, so I’m not just bad at the games themselves

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Splatoon doesn't give you as much control over it as a Steam controller does. It's only the Y axis, and it's always on. It's much better when you can hold a grip button to toggle it. Then you can use the right track pad or analog stick for big movements and the gyro for fine tuned precision while holding a grip button.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That sounds like exactly what my issue was with learning: it always being on, any teeny hand movement ever would fuck with the camera, the steam controller sounds much closer to what my mind expected from gyro

With that in mind I just might have to try it out, though now I’m scared of getting good with it and needing to hack gyro into games to play, much like getting good with MKB killed me playing FPS on controller lol

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

I'll tell you that my friend sat me in front of Returnal on PS5, and that game felt unplayable without either M+KB or gyro, even though plenty of people managed just fine. There's even a gryo feature in the PS5 pad! They just didn't enable it for the game. On PC, you can use it on Steam controller whether the dev enabled it or not.

Arkham,

I’ve heard of people struggling with it, but personally I got used to it very quickly.

I haven’t played Splatoon but I’ve heard it doesn’t use standard shooter controls, so it may not be the best example of the gyro aim I’m taking about.

If you haven’t yet, you might try grabbing Quake 1 or 2 on the Switch (they’re on sale right now!) and give that a shot with gyro on.

Plume,

Hell yeah. I didn’t put this in my post because I didn’t want it to turn into a debate about the validity and viability of gyro controls (it is, if you don’t think so, you’re just wrong). So thanks for putting it.

deo,

One of my favorite steam deck features is being able to use gyro controls for any game. It’s not always as smooth as the Switch, but it works pretty well to add a bit of additional fine-grained control to the course-grained control of the R-stick.

OhNoMoreLemmy,

Doom on the switch was amazing for this. I tried to play Doom eternal on the ps4, afterwards, and it was just such a disappointment because it didn’t have gyro.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

My problem with analog sticks in FPSes isn’t fine-grained control – most games have zoom, and auto-aim has done a lot to mitigate lack of acuracy. My problem is coarse-grained control – that is, it takes ages in an FPS to turn around at maximum turn speed, whereas a mouse player can rapidly snap around if they are, say, attacked from the side or behind.

I’ve seen some people talk about hacking together some mechanism to try to deal with this using the Steam Controller and Steam Input – I think that it might have been something like a double-tap-to-rapidly-turn, but my impression is that whatever was going on there was more-elaborate than just the combination of an analog stick and a gyro for fine movement.

brie,

W.r.t. mouse controls, having a bit of mouse acceleration can make it a lot easier to balance accuracy and being able to turn around.

AntBas,

Look up flick stick controls on YouTube, it’s hard to get used to it, but if you get it right it’s even better than keyboard and mouse

www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOdtpww47dipbWzNgO6-4g

thorbot, do games w Two games free on Epic Games - Eternal Threads and The Evil Within

Will I play them? No way! Will that stop me from claiming them? No fucking way!

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