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mojo, w Unity May Never Win Back the Developers It Lost in Its Fee Debacle

Good. The terrible marketing team who made this decision is still there, and they still want this end result. They just learned they need to approach that goal more slowly.

FooBarrington,

This kind of decision is not made by marketing.

Gamey,

I would bet money that it’s from their CEO, someone too greedy for fucking EA shouldn’t ever be a option for your company!

Rand0mA, w Unity May Never Win Back the Developers It Lost in Its Fee Debacle

Haha Unity. Ironic

narc0tic_bird, w Is it possible that in the future there will be games available on Xbox Game Pass that cannot be played without joining Game Pass? Phil Spencer: No. That's not it. What we want to offer is choice.

Yeah, I call complete bs. Should they ever get a large amount (majority) of marketshare with the Xbox brand, they’ll absolutely do that.

Microsoft is gonna Microsoft. Just look how they abuse their Windows marketshare to try and shove Microsoft Edge down your throat. The latest trick I encountered at work was that Outlook now has its own setting for which browser to open links in, it doesn’t respect the OS default browser anymore by default.

baatliwala,

The problem with statements like these are even if Phil is telling the truth right now there’s no saying what will happen 7 years later.

  • Xbox could be losing much more badly than they are now and could try new ways of getting exclusives
  • shareholders could want more and more
  • Phil could be replaced by the next Don Mattrick

Consumers don’t own games especially on consoles where they are too tightly tied up with the company who made the hardware. Don’t take this statement too seriously because you never know what will happen.

schmidtster,

But he’s not even telling the truth right now. All the FTC documents have shown everything he’s publicly said in the last 5 years has been nothing but lies.

Of course they will claim stuff changes, but the internal documents show that it’s always been lies, always.

098qwelkjzxc, w Is it possible that in the future there will be games available on Xbox Game Pass that cannot be played without joining Game Pass? Phil Spencer: No. That's not it. What we want to offer is choice.

It’s not about whether they say they will, it’s about whether they can

Ascyron, w PAYDAY 3: Things are starting to look better. We're seeing players being able to create lobbies again and getting back in the game. You still might have a few issues, bear with us while....

For those of us that dont like having to click thru to eX-twitter to give musk traffic, any chance that we could get the game name in the title? 😁

nanoUFO,
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

My bad, fixed.

Ascyron,

Thanks!

Noite_Etion, w Is it possible that in the future there will be games available on Xbox Game Pass that cannot be played without joining Game Pass? Phil Spencer: No. That's not it. What we want to offer is choice.
@Noite_Etion@lemmy.world avatar

We offer choices. But, we will continuously revert your choices whenever we can.

I disabled Cortana, windows updates itself so we re-enabled it for you.

I disabled Edge as my default browser, windows re-enables it for me… choices!

I disabled the stupid search online via Bing feature… guess fucking what! Re-enabled.

If Xbox ever gains majority market share your choices go out the window. What he should say is we offer the illusion of choices.

Squizzy,

That search online feature is ass, I do a quick search in the start menu for a program and I get a fucking edge page of results wth

ABCDE,

Nonsense like that pushed me right back to Macs again; touching a Windows computer is just horrific now.

aeronmelon,

Microsoft Monopoly 2: Digital Boogaloo

zzzzz,

All of those plus the re-enabling of automatic restarts for updates are the reasons I dropped Windows for Linux. I couldn’t be happier with the decision.

Corkyskog, (edited )
@Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

If Xbox ever gains majority market share your choices go out the window.

Wasn’t there a quote from a Microsoft exec stating exactly that is essentially the only plan. They either have majority market by 2027 or they leave the gaming industry.

I love how it’s all or nothing, they don’t care about gaming. Even if that exec quoted didn’t have the power to are the division, it shows a lot about what their plans are. And as always, it’s not good for the consumer.

The best thing the consumer can hope for is they grow too big and regulatory agencies grow some balls and split them up like old Bell. That’s the only way I could see it benefitting consumers in the future. Even if MS left the gaming industry, they are not selling everything off piecemeal like a tag sale. It’s all getting sold to Facebook or a better fit would be apple. They already have the hardware side, they could whip up a console real quick, and they already have the marketing on their side. Although both FB and Apple have tons of cash to burn, I could see FB buying it, developing a sub par console in the hopes it can bridge the gap until they can get everyone in VR goggles. That would be almost as bad for consumers as MS’ Monopoly…

Also, I am not implying either of those companies could afford to buy those purely with cash. It’s just if you have massive cash reserves it’s usually indicative of planning on new investments. Looking at the list again, and sorting by reserves as a percent of value, I could also see Google and Amazon being contenders. Amazon already has spent money developing devices, although that has turned out poorly for them, so they might be hesitant to dump a huge amount of money into something that hasn’t worked well for them in the past. Google has the money, they have power, but little to no experience in gaming world beyond mobile gaming.

Sordid, (edited ) w Dragon's Dogma 2 brings back all the joy of Capcom's 2012 cult hit with few real changes
@Sordid@sh.itjust.works avatar

More of the same? Awesome, can’t wait!

Some people were annoyed by the pawns, but personally I loved them. Their chatter can get repetitive at times, but there’s also a lot of detail and subtlety that’s easy to miss. Each pawn gains knowledge of different enemies, quests, and areas as they interact with them, and what they say depends on how well they know the subject they’re talking about. If they know nothing, they will react with surprise or curiosity, otherwise they will offer advice of varying helpfulness. One time I encountered a cockatrice, and my pawns started yelling to watch out for the griffin. At first I thought it was a bug, but after the fight I realized they had some knowledge of these bird-like enemy types but not enough, and as a result they confused one for the other. Now that’s what I call attention to detail!

conciselyverbose,

That actually sounds really awesome.

I never quite got into it, because it was just too old mechanically by the time I heard of it, but it did feel like there was potential.

Sordid,
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I’m honestly at a loss about how it’s “mechanically old” and how it could possibly be updated. It’s been a few years since I last played it, but I thought it was basically perfect and even did some things few if any other games do, such as the whole grappling/climbing system.

conciselyverbose,

Even the basics of movement and combat are super janky. It's very obviously a very old game.

smeg, w How Four Friends Built a ‘Hypercube’ to Play Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Together in 2023

Incredible effort. As the great scholar Cave Johnson said, “science isn’t about why, it’s about why not?

corrupts_absolutely, w Starfield HD Reworked Project 1.0 - Release Preview

the pixelated museum displays are absolutely hilarious

Mandy, w Unity May Never Win Back the Developers It Lost in Its Fee Debacle

Fantastic, let them die Let a company, just once, learn a lesson

azenyr,

Not a good idea to leave Unreal Engine without decent competitors. Other universal engines are too small to compete with UE.

MrMcGasion,

Honestly, Unreal has been in a different league ever since Epic started dumping Fortnite money into it. That’s probably why Unity tried to start charging more, because they’ve been falling behind for the past few years and can’t afford to keep up. Not that I think it’s good to leave Epic/Unreal without decent competition, but I’m more inclined to blame Fortnite for the downfall of Unity than the indie devs Unity just scared off with their desperate cash-grab.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unreal has been in a different league basically since its inception. Compare the original Unreal engine to its contemporaries like Quake or Half Life and it’s amazing what they could do, if you had a box that could run it.

The difference between Unreal and Unity is Unreal has a sustainable viable business model (I think I’ve come to the conclusion that there are no “sustainable” business models under capitalism, what with demanding infinite growth and lal that). Epic Games develops their own games; the development of Unreal Engine has pulled its weight as a component of Fortnite and such. Same thing with Valve; I don’t think they ever bothered to charge for developing a game in the Source engine because they made their money for engine development through Half Life 2, Portal, TF2, Left 4 Dead etc.

Unity on the other hand doesn’t make and sell games, so they have to either directly charge developers (which they both do and don’t) or they operate their own adware nonsense. And neither of those revenue streams are enough. Which means they don’t have a viable business model. So they pull a stunt like this to hasten their inevitable bankruptcy.

tias, (edited )

Yeah I was a game programmer in the early 2000s. Unreal made my jaw drop back then already. They’ve always been state of the art (although arguably CryEngine had the lead for a while), long before Unity came around. As you might remember, it started out in 1998 as the game Unreal (and then Unreal Tournament) which was a kickass first-person shooter. It has been around for 25 years now.

Unreal is now also selling their engine to Hollywood productions that want to replace green screen with real-time effects for the actors to play against. It’s impressive stuff, and I bet they’re going rake in tons of money through that channel as well. Unity is just not in the same ballpark.

That said, there’s room for Unity if they’re willing to find a business model where they don’t compete head-on with Unreal. As the article indicates there is (was) a strong community providing tons of cheap or free-of-charge assets, and it’s been very appreciated among indie devs for these reasons. Unity excels in support for mobile and web platforms. They don’t need to make their engine support all the latest cool technology. They just need good developer relations and tools that make it easy to turn cool ideas into fun games. The fact that they squandered their biggest asset (the community) shows that the leadership does not comprehend Unity’s value proposition. It is being lead by fucking morons.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Having used the Unreal engine, I’m actually surprised it’s not more popular than Unity.

I’m leaning towards people saw Unity as “the scrappy underdog” to Epic. When really, Unreal engine fought like hell to get to where it is.

Zacryon,

Tencent, which owns Epic Games to 40%, is a big turnoff for me.

Omega_Haxors,

I’m sure the person responsible for the change is going to be feeling devastated as they buy back all the stocks for fractions of what they paid.

ASK_ME_ABOUT_LOOM, w Why does everyone swear so much in The Witcher 3?

Gotta wonder how many people are down voting because they think the title is moralizing, when it’s anything but that.

There’s nothing like going for a nice long walk around the world of The Witcher 3 and meeting some of the locals there. They say the nicest things. “Sod off, you misborn clod,” a guard will tell me. “Got so fucked up once, blood came out me ears,” a chap at the docks will announce. Or if I’m really lucky, “Go fuck your mums tits!” What a world to live in.

The thing is, I love this about the game. Being scolded by the ruddy-faced inhabitants of The Witcher 3 has long been one of my favourite things, ever since I first played it eight years ago.

eendjes,
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Yeah, I don’t know either. I found it an interesting read, it also goes into conversation design in games. Felt like it would be appropriate here?

lowleveldata, w Is it possible that in the future there will be games available on Xbox Game Pass that cannot be played without joining Game Pass? Phil Spencer: No. That's not it. What we want to offer is choice.

Why would they do that? They would absolutely make another more expensive game pass ++ pro tier and keep the exclusives there

Corkyskog,
@Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

See… Choices!

kryllic, w Unity May Never Win Back the Developers It Lost in Its Fee Debacle
@kryllic@programming.dev avatar

Deserved

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

It’s times like this I wish we did things more like china. The one person who is actually responsible for this change is going to get a huge payout, but the same can’t be said for everyone else at the company whose lives are going to be completely thrown off from the incoming layoffs.

echodot,

They have over 7,000 employees they need to lay people off anyway. The reason they’re not profitable is because they’ve massively overextended themselves. Why did they buy Wetter, utterly bizarre purchase choice.

If they had a sensible number of employees and didn’t buy random companies every 5 minutes they’d be profitable.

radioactiveradio, w Unity May Never Win Back the Developers It Lost in Its Fee Debacle

Nah, they’ll go back. If it’s one thing I’ve learned from Greedy companies doing dumb shit. People will always go back to trust them again.

Tkappa,

That works for consumers because they don’t have nothing to lose. Smaller devs will still gravitate towards Unity because the various fees don’t apply to them, but any big studio won’t touch it with a ten feet pole. Immagine putting the salaries of a full studio in the hands of a company that might decide out of the blue to ruin your business model, it’s a nightmare scenario for any CEO! More so when there are viable alternatives

s_s,
@s_s@lemmy.one avatar

Publishers will force smaller devs to move away.

I bet you Paradox Interactive has been shitting down its leg as this event unfolded. They almost exclusively publish Unity games.

kurcatovium, w Why does everyone swear so much in The Witcher 3?

It’s because in Sapkowski’s universe witchers are mutants and normal people hate them for being different (and because they are scared too). Basically racism.

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