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SuperSaiyanSwag, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

I’m not defending Ubisoft games, but I don’t get why people have such high expectations of them. I don’t recall the last Ubisoft game I played, but they seem like chill podcast games to me, I just turn my brain off and just take in the scenery.

Jocker, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

Ooh that’s awful! How can they do this? I remember Assassins Creed 1 was better than this… They could’ve just modded Ghost Recon Wildlands with pew pew guns and glowing knives, and still would’ve been a better experience than this.

yamanii,
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Lemmy really is reddit 2.0, down to still pretending that Wildlands is a bad game.

Artyom, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

I can’t even remember the last time I saw an open world game where thr main character instantly drowns in water.

SpacetimeMachine,

Elden ring comes to mind.

Starayo,

That’s because, considering the bosses you have to fight, every character is weighted down by their enormous balls.

60fpsrefugee,

Why putting in a feature that the game doesn’t need?

That’s said, the way this game handles it is horrible. At least have the protagonist walk back when near the deep water or something

Droechai,

Or go full cartoon with silly leg paddles in the air before the drop and a big ol Plop sound

yamanii,
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Both Dragon’s Dogmas too.

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  • Blackmist,

    Because they’ve used it as an excuse to whack an extra $10 to the price.

    I think some backlash is to be expected.

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  • yamanii,
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    Oh just wait until AC Shadows launch, we will suddenly see massive fans of ubi’s output just because the game was chosen to be part of a culture war.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    it takes really tiny batteries

    Phegan, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

    I don’t understand what people were expecting this is an Ubisoft game, they are always mediocre trash.

    CatZoomies,
    @CatZoomies@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve had no excitement for this game since Ubisoft is such a disappointment of mediocrity. I grew bitter to them back when they announced the controversial shutting down of their legacy activation servers: this would prevent gamers from passing the online checks to play their games. Suddenly, despite me possessing a physical disc of Splinter Cell Blacklist on Wii U, I learned I would lose access to the DLC I paid for and “owned”. Certain missions would also become unplayable since you need online co-op. Ubisoft backpedaled after significant backlash from gamers, but since then I hesitate whenever I see them attached to any project.

    I miss old Ubisoft. I’m playing Beyond Good & Evil 2003 on my GameCube for the first time, and this game is spectacular! Wish Ubisoft didn’t become evil, but it was inevitable.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s either mediocre or trash, one is on the bottom and the other is at the middle.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    was this the team that made biomutant?

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s an insult to biomutant, it’s the team that made The Division.

    HKayn, do games w Can you trust Valve? Honest criticism of Steam.
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    Well-deserved shout-out for GOG. Its standalone installers make actually owning your games much more convenient than it would be on Steam.

    wurstgulasch3000,

    … if you’re on windows

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar
    wurstgulasch3000,

    I know about heroic but gog does not care about anything other than windows. Linux support for gog galaxy has been the most requested feature for years and nothing is happening. Instead the work falls back to the community

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    Your statement “if you’re on Windows” is still wrong.

    Additionally, the Heroic project is officially affiliated with GOG, so saying that they don’t care is also wrong.

    wurstgulasch3000,

    Well I didn’t know they were affiliated so that changes things a bit. Did they announce this somewhere? I couldn’t find it in the faq

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar
    MeDuViNoX, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes
    @MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar
    TommySoda, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

    My favorite thing about this is that Ubisoft has single handedly made AAAA synonymous with awful.

    FinalRemix,

    My first thought with this video was “this looks like some trash Ubisoft would put out.”

    I guess I was right.

    Iapar,

    “AAAA” is the sound you make after realizing what you did with your money.

    In a couple of years we will have “AAAAAAHHHHH WHY WHY OH MY GOD WHY AM I DOING THIS TO MYSELF”-games.

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    That or the realization “Ah”, as in: “AAAAh, so that’s what <sequence of bad adjectives> looks like”

    Red_October,

    With any luck they’ll single handedly keep “AAAA” from catching on, because nobody with a shred of pride would want their multi-million dollar project connected to anything that was said to be AAAA.

    Blackmist, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

    I think I laughed most when they said Far Cry 6 was a AAAA game. You can’t just call things AAAA because you can’t manage budgets.

    I’ve never played a modern game before that loses first the voice audio and finally the gunshot sounds after a few hours and has to be reloaded.

    I think the only game I can call AAAA with a straight face is Red Dead Redemption 2.

    mods_mum,

    Yet there are people on this thread claiming this is what triple/quadruple A gaming is and we should shut up, bend over and pay USD 60 for an unfinished product. I think I have a bridge to sell to them :D

    rustyfish, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes
    @rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

    Over the years I have learned to pay attention to certain keywords that made me be extra careful about games advertised. So when I heard of AAAA, I immediately knew that CEO was on ketamine and the game will start as a dumpster fire.

    See you again in six months. Maybe it will be in an acceptable state by then.

    finickydesert,
    @finickydesert@lemmy.ml avatar

    At this point what is “a” game means. Aaaa means this than why not just grade it aa?

    Daxtron2,

    Its all about money and development team size. A is generally indie, AA is a small-medium teams, AAA is large teams. AAAA is marketing terminology because everyone thought that AAA just meant better.

    proton_lynx,

    “AAAA” is the sound you make when you start playing this abomination.

    rc__buggy,

    aaa aaaaa aaaaaaaAAAA

    Blackmist,

    Sir, this is Ubisoft.

    In 6 months everyone will have forgotten all about this and be playing the next shitty Far Cry game and complaining how it’s an $80 unfinished mess.

    jaggedrobotpubes, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

    ummmmm that’s cute but Super Mario World is a tretrigintuple-A game

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f84d1432-8716-4820-9579-02b41854002b.png

    jaggedrobotpubes,

    That’s 33 As and go fuck yourself if you can figure out the word better:

    simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuple_names

    Visstix, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

    Wth is the point of stormtrooper armor. Has it ever done anything?

    teft,
    @teft@lemmy.world avatar

    Look, everyone has their own style of wearfare. Some people show up in full battle rattle with mirror finished armor. Others show up to look good.

    cflewis,
    @cflewis@programming.dev avatar

    I read somewhere that the armor distributes blaster bolt shock through it so all the Stormtroopers get knocked unconscious. They don’t die, otherwise they may as well not wear it at all as they fall over after one blaster bolt.

    But as with everything in Star Wars lore, that’s probably a desperate retcon.

    gerbler,

    It also removes any sense or individuality. Contrasted with clones who frequently customised their armour.

    ampersandrew, do games w Can you trust Valve? Honest criticism of Steam.
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Valve has a reputation for being the good guy

    Because they earned it.

    “Big tech monopoly is bad”, but somehow “Valve monopoly is good for the customer”.

    I had this discussion with some friends of mine lately. Valve is definitely not perfect, but the steps they’ve taken to be better than their competition, often in the consumer’s favor, is so far and away better than the likes of the other entrenched market leaders: Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. I’m not a fan of them tying Steam Input and Steam VR, among other things, to…Steam, naturally…when they should be independent libraries, but would Sony and Microsoft have started to abandon their walled garden ecosystem strategy of exclusives without Valve leading the way? Not a chance.

    Predatory pricing? Not a problem. It’s the industry standard.

    But like…it is the industry standard, and it’s definitely not the definition of the word, “predatory”. If they offer the best deal in town, it’s still a good deal. Epic is offering better than that, but if it was so easy to match, you’d see the other platforms doing so as well, including those also trying to compete with Steam, meaning maybe the dollars don’t really make sense in Epic’s world.

    Steam is dismantling the entire concept of digital ownership

    The hell they are. For one, not every Steam game has DRM. For another, when I buy a game on Steam, any game, I certainly “own” more than when I buy a “digital copy” of a movie or a TV show, of which there is no avenue to actually legally obtain the file that contains the movie. It’s only streaming.

    [Before Steam] it was possible to buy a game and just play it without internet access

    Perhaps the video author is too young to remember, but online authentication on PC games definitely came before a single third party sold their games on Steam. MMORPGs predate Steam for that matter.

    Honestly, this whole video seems to come from someone who’s too young to have lived through this and only read about it. We became happy Steam customers because it was better than what came before. Valve is not responsible for standardizing any of this nonsense and did in fact get to where they are by being better than everyone claiming to be their competition.

    For many games sold on Steam, Valve takes a flat 30% cut. Why 30%? I don’t know.

    Exactly my point. They picked 30% because they were confident it would scale to cover their costs and because it was a better rate than what the developer could stand to make in brick-and-mortar.

    The cost of running an online store is essentially zero.

    No, it’s very much not.

    Now all of the other tech companies are getting sued for…[these monopolistic practices]…

    Because they’re exhibiting monopolistic, anti-competitive behavior. It’s a much harder case to say that Steam has engaged in monopolistic practices compared to Apple requiring that all software on their devices comes from their store. Which is why the Wolfire case is not a slam dunk.

    A lot of the other bad faith arguments here are derived from the incorrect idea that running a digital store costs nothing.

    I do shop on GOG for lots of the reasons that the video raises, but it’s often still a worse experience than buying on Steam. For instance, I’m on Linux, so while GOG’s refund policy is exceptional, I have to do a lot of legwork to get a game like The Thaumaturge to run in Wine, a game that’s Steam Deck verified and just works on Steam. And the only way I was able to deduce the steps to get it working was by taking a peak at SteamDB to see what the game’s dependencies are.

    toynbee, (edited )

    You have convinced me to investigate The Thaumaturge.

    Also … Excellent points, all.

    edit: s/Everyone/Excellent/

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    How did you try to get The Thaumaturge to run? I found that I could run many games on my library without issue using the Heroic Games Launcher, which is arguably the premier Linux client for GOG games.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I launched it from Heroic, but these same steps will work without it. Run winetricks in your Wine prefix, install a DLL or component, and select both vcrun2019 and vcrun2022 and hit OK to let them install.

    I followed some steps for another game and found that you can look at SteamDB to see what other dependency depots the game uses. I also try to update the PC Gaming Wiki with fixes like this whenever I find them.

    Pika,
    @Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I agree with almost all of your viewpoints , however I believe that steam has engaged in monopolistic practices. The difference in market share between Steam and any other game launcher is night and day, it is the online game store. That being said that’s not always a bad thing as they have shown

    They have a higher than average fees that is for sure, but they also have a significantly bigger feature set than any other store out there. Like when you launch a game on Steam you have a game publishing with built-in DLC support, you have a built-in mod Workshop, you have the review system, you have a built-in DRM if that’s something that you wanted to do, you also have access to a community forum for bug reporting and discussions, not to mention you have the entire steam proton system and the VR system at your disposal both of which are Super complicated to set up stand alone.

    Their Workshop, while it takes a 75% cut, is mostly for the Cosmetic items or the trading items were steam does almost exclusively all of the work for it. Basically the only thing the dev team has to do for it is upload the image for the item and the cost that it thinks that item is worth and then steam does the rest. At that point the 75% cut while steep, makes sense to me

    Every other reason that they provided in that video, seemed to either hyperbolize the impact of it or disregard what is concidered standard. like for example pricing parity that’s an industry standard, any reputable shop has the same system, and if there is any place that’s different, they actively try to have similar pricing. Hell Walmart hires people strictly to go to their competitors to make sure that their pricing is the same as their competitors. The attribution agreement while I don’t believe should be legal, isn’t anti-competitive, it is anti-consumer but not anti-competitive. I am also super against the fact that technically every game is a license but again that’s not anti-competitive that’s anti-consumer.

    I firmly believe that if a game competitor decided to have an equal feature set to the steam launcher, eventually they would be able to give steam a run for their money. Which is not something I can say the same of with companies such as Google which has been proven to actively manipulate the market and use their position of power as a way to keep competitors out, be it by making it so third-party browsers can’t use DRM, or doing things such as manipulating your web results that way your competitors do not appear. I have never seen steam do this

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    You say they engage in monopolistic practices, but did you cite one? You dismissed a lot of the same points from the video that I did, but I don’t see what supports your point that they’re behaving as a monopolist.

    not to mention you have the entire steam proton system and the VR system at your disposal both of which are Super complicated to set up stand alone.

    Proton is actually super easy for a competitor to set up standalone. There’s nothing stopping the likes of GOG from just distributing Proton or Wine with their Windows executables for Linux customers, if they wanted, and they can even obfuscate it and make it invisible to the player like Steam does. The big trick that Valve pulled out of their hat for Proton, which again is not monopolistic, is that they re-encode videos that use Microsoft’s proprietary video codecs, since they can’t legally share the DLL that enables playback of those videos. To do what Valve does here is replicable, but it comes at a cost to the distributor. I can’t speak to the effort involved in setting up a competing VR platform, but it seems to be of less and less concern at this point.

    Pika,
    @Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It’s monopolistic practice is soley due to its market share, that alone is enough to. It’s a monopoly that isn’t anti-competitive, it’s inherently not bad, as long as it isn’t being Abused, many misconstrue anti-competitive as monopolistic, the term doesn’t go hand and hand. Monopolistic competition exists when many companies offer competing products or services that are similar, but not perfect substitutes. This is valve at the moment with steam. Alternatives exist but none come even close to being a full substitute. but that’s OK it isn’t a bad thing, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s monopolistic.

    As for the gog thing, maybe it is easier than I thought, if so I’m surprised that no other game store has done so, steam dedicated an entire division to it and it still has a lot of issues with functionality and usage.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    A monopolistic practice is one that enforces a monopoly unfairly. Just having market share means they’re approaching a monopoly, but it doesn’t mean they’re getting there by monopolistic practices.

    Razzazzika, do games w Star Wars: Outlaws being a "AAAA Game" for 3 minutes

    I mean… all these glitches really seem tame compared to skyrim on launch. Talk about a dumpster fire but it’s one of the best selling games of the century.

    chunkystyles,

    I guarantee this game is nothing like that. It will be forgotten immediately.

    LostWanderer, (edited )

    Yeah, this Ubislop will be forgotten, we will poke fun at its glitches. If they had tried to capture people’s imaginations (but fell just short enough like Skyrim) we’d probably be talking about this game for years to come. Star Wars: Outlaws is just an overhyped cash grab.

    BruceTwarzen,

    Skyrim is kinda shit too.

    Nastybutler,

    Do you like down votes? Because this is how you get down votes.

    CluckN,

    Todd Howard will find you if this slander keeps up.

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