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CIWS-30, do gaming w Insomniac, Blizzard, Obsidian Devs Attack Baldur's Gate 3 Scope, Call it "Rockstar-Like Nonsense"...

Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3, they just want a complete game that works without shitty microtransactions everywhere and always online for no reason. Plus, having interesting characters and storylines, quests that can be solved in more than one way, and gameplay that's actually formed by taking player feedback and listening to it is what people reacted well to, among other things. Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't even have Denuvo!

If there's one thing that I hope competitors learn from Larian and BG3, it's that respecting your players and giving them what they want leads to success. Similar to Elden Ring and from software, like that video mentioned. Now compare BG3 to Diablo 4 and Immortal, or the upcoming Starfield and you'll see why people love it. It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

Wait, what's wrong with the upcoming Starfield?

Goronmon,

Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3...

Just to warn you, you will now be quoted in a future video about "Social media viciously attacks Larian for games that are too big and too deep!"

TheRazorX, (edited )

It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

This is the key point that these publishers and studios are trying to avoid.

  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on designing microtransaction psychologically manipulative money sinks (dark designs)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on creating addiction in the player-base so that they keep playing the game (and spending money)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DLC (not actual new content)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit to satisfy shareholders?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on shit the devs don't want, but executives do?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit padding for marketing purposes?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DRM?

And keep in mind, by budgets here, I mean both the dollar amount AND time spent by devs that could be spent elsewhere (which is part of the dollar amount since salaries, but I wanted to make it clear that time spent is also important).

Some of the absolute best games in the industry have literally none of that, and people still want to play and buy them years after release because gasp they're actually fun, but these publishers and devs don't want to compare to those, because they WANT the industry to be a bunch of "GAAS" bullshit that's basically a vacuum pushed into people's wallets, cause hey, if it worked for Candy Crush....

lowdownfool, do gaming w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

Is there something I can read instead of giving some jackass a view on Youtube?

Goronmon,

To summarize the actual tweets/comments/etc that these videos (there are multiple) are panicking about.

  1. Smaller studios aren't going to be able to replicate the scale and complexity of BG3. So people shouldn't be using BG3 as the bar to compare future titles/RPGs from other studios going forward. Larian is comparable in size (or even larger) to Bethesda when they released Skyrim, and no one has been able to compete directly with Skyrim either.
  2. Not all games and RPGs need to be as complex and long as BG3. Expecting open-ended, 100 hour-long RPGs for every future game/RPG isn't realistic. Not all games require that scope, it's rare to get such a budget for this type of game, and even if you did, most companies won't be able to replicate the game in a meaningful way. Just like how companies other than Rockstar would struggle to replicate the scale of games like GTA and RDR.

There, I've summarized multiple 20 min videos. Just without all the hand-waving and drama.

stopthatgirl7,
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So, I see you definitely didn’t actually watch the video.

Goronmon,

I did, did you?

stopthatgirl7,
!deleted7120 avatar

Considering I’m the one who posted it, yes.

Goronmon,

You would be far from the only person who has posted a link to an article/video they have never read/watched.

jeebus,
@jeebus@kbin.social avatar

It was a pretty good video with a good message. All the more surprising is that it was from IGN.

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

I prefer not to sit through a 10 minute video for something that requires less than a minute reading time.

Mechanite, do games w Movie Duels [Star Wars: Jedi Academy mod] Update No. 7 Released

Wow, very cool that this is still getting updates

Zahille7, do games w Movie Duels [Star Wars: Jedi Academy mod] Update No. 7 Released

I need to actually try this mod one of these days. Jedi Academy is one of my all-time favorite Star Wars games. Jedi Outcast is pretty damn good too.

crazycraw, do games w Movie Duels [Star Wars: Jedi Academy mod] Update No. 7 Released
@crazycraw@crazypeople.online avatar

I DIDN’T GET MY MUFFIN, MATT.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Just press the muffin button

SkunkWorkz, do games w The Untold Story of the Nintendo Entertainment System

Those concept designs look dope as hell. No way would they’ve been able to produce that for less than $150 in the 80’s.

Also I see some modern PlayStation design language in them, did Sony copy Nintendo’s homework lol.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Yes. Yes they did because the PlayStation was supposed to be a Nintendo and Sony collaboration.

orockwell, do games w 'Baldur’s Gate 2: F My Bhaal Femcel Life' - Warlockracy

Warlockracy, my beloved.

LodeMike, do games w The Untold Story of the Nintendo Entertainment System

untold story

looks inside

[it] tells story

paper_moon, do games w The Untold Story of the Nintendo Entertainment System

Such a shame, I grew up with Nintendo’s products starting with the SNES, and loved them. Unfortunately they’re such a terrible company to their own fans, I now absolutely hate them. I will probably never buy another product from them again.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Same (unless they make some drastic changes), but I agree with Cifaldi’s outro here on all the ways that this system was super important to the medium’s history, even the parts like total control over the system’s library that today is nothing short of bad for the consumer.

paper_moon,

No doubt, I can separate the historical significance of something, from my feelings. The NES was amazing for the gaming industry, and changed history forever. But I still hate Nintendo, lol

Marshezezz,

They are truly absolute cunts, I’ll only ever pirate any of their stuff

dukemirage,

Half-assed approach. If you truly mean it then don’t consume their products at all, this gives them cultural legitimacy.

Marshezezz,

Go preach to a mirror

Dindonmasker,
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There’s a new mod to play the wii U version of botw in VR coming out in 2 days hopefully it doesn’t get nuked before the release…

xeekei, do games w The Lessons of SOMA Are Timeless

Just watched the whole vid. It was pretty good.

eezeebee, do games w The Knightling Did Everything Right - It Still Struggled to Sell | Beyond the Pixels Podcast
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

It looks great and it’s been on my wishlist. Unfortunately the price is not right for me yet, and there were other games of higher priority on my wishlist for now. Maybe next year.

mohab, do games w The Knightling Did Everything Right - It Still Struggled to Sell | Beyond the Pixels Podcast

One reason could be that Steam sucks ass at recommending games and I have no idea how they still have not figured it out.

Since the sale started, half my homepage is games I ALREADY OWN or are already on my wishlist. It also keeps recommending me games from publishers I blocked. At any given point, 80~90% of my homepage is useless.

It’s almost as if there’s some kind of hidden setting stopping small games from showing up in my recommendations. If I don’t actively browse tags I’m interested or pay attention to communities outside of Steam, I miss out on a lot.

ampersandrew, (edited )
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

They have an incentive to put games in front of you that they think you’ll like, so I figure it really just is tough. Their hit rate isn’t so bad for me, and what I hear about console storefronts is that the recommendations are even worse. Regardless of platform, relying on a recommendation engine to get word out about your game strikes me as a bad idea. But speaking for myself, I played 18 games that came out this year and easily left at least that many others behind just because there isn’t enough time to play through them all.

Peffse,

I swear 95% of the stuff Steam recommended is reasoned with because it is popular and not because it’s something I would play.

Even when they say it’s related to a library item, it’s not even tangential. Like… Escape the Backrooms is not like Terraria. In any sense. They put that there because Youtubers are selling it.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s anything at all like the recommendation algorithm that Netflix popularized, it’s that they have tags in common (maybe even as simple as “online multiplayer” if they set a threshold on some value too low) and that people who played one had a decent enough overlap with people who played the other.

chameleon,
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I get the impression that "online coop" is a tag it weighs very, very heavily, along with most of the "open world survival craft" subtags. Terraria, Factorio and some other games you can put 1000 hours into while optionally playing with a friend are absolute poison for the algorithm, they share a lot of tags with stuff like Rust and V Rising even though they're not remotely the same game.

mohab,

But speaking for myself, I played 18 games that came out this year and easily left at least that many others behind just because there isn’t enough time to play through them all.

Impressive, what’s the genre breakdown on the 18 games you played?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s probably easier if I just list the titles. I’ve already got them ranked. I enjoyed all of these games, and none of them were stinkers.

  1. Kingdom Come: Deliverance II
  2. Avowed
  3. Split Fiction
  4. The Outer Worlds 2
  5. The Alters
  6. Dispatch
  7. Borderlands 4
  8. Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
  9. Blue Prince
  10. Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves
  11. StarVaders
  12. Indiana Jones and the Great Circle: The Order of Giants DLC
  13. Knights in Tight Spaces
  14. Rift of the NecroDancer
  15. Mafia: The Old Country
  16. Duck Detective: The Ghost of Glamping
  17. Citizen Sleeper 2: Starward Vector
  18. Keep Driving
mohab,

Nice. RPGs in particular seem to be having a good time recently. Lots of well-received games in the previous 2~3 years.

PapstJL4U,
@PapstJL4U@lemmy.world avatar

99.9% of all games are useless to an individual, whem steam can get 10% correct, when you do close to no cooperation, this is an achievement.

gointhefridge, do games w The Knightling Did Everything Right - It Still Struggled to Sell | Beyond the Pixels Podcast

Looks cool. Never heard of it.

Clasm,

I couldn’t even seem to find a link to the game itself through their own channel, I had to look it up…

loo, do games w The Lessons of SOMA Are Timeless
@loo@lemmy.world avatar

I loved SOMA and I’m ao hyped for their new game

nutbutter, do games w Vampire: the Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 Review - Not the game I was looking for

Please provide a TLDW. Majority does not want to go to YouTube.

ProdigalFrog,

The reviewer concludes it’s not a good sequel, didn’t enjoy most of their time in it. It’s a fairly okay detective game wrapped up in crappy action-brawler combat and a pretty lame open-world.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Haven’t watched this particular YT, but from other video and text reviews that I have watched/read, it’s basically a relatively generic vampire themed action-adventure. It’s not an RPG in the least, some of the RPG-lite elements look comically dumb.

devolution,
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