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CIWS-30, do gaming w Insomniac, Blizzard, Obsidian Devs Attack Baldur's Gate 3 Scope, Call it "Rockstar-Like Nonsense"...

Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3, they just want a complete game that works without shitty microtransactions everywhere and always online for no reason. Plus, having interesting characters and storylines, quests that can be solved in more than one way, and gameplay that's actually formed by taking player feedback and listening to it is what people reacted well to, among other things. Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't even have Denuvo!

If there's one thing that I hope competitors learn from Larian and BG3, it's that respecting your players and giving them what they want leads to success. Similar to Elden Ring and from software, like that video mentioned. Now compare BG3 to Diablo 4 and Immortal, or the upcoming Starfield and you'll see why people love it. It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

ripcord,
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Wait, what's wrong with the upcoming Starfield?

Goronmon,

Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3...

Just to warn you, you will now be quoted in a future video about "Social media viciously attacks Larian for games that are too big and too deep!"

TheRazorX, (edited )

It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

This is the key point that these publishers and studios are trying to avoid.

  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on designing microtransaction psychologically manipulative money sinks (dark designs)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on creating addiction in the player-base so that they keep playing the game (and spending money)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DLC (not actual new content)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit to satisfy shareholders?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on shit the devs don't want, but executives do?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit padding for marketing purposes?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DRM?

And keep in mind, by budgets here, I mean both the dollar amount AND time spent by devs that could be spent elsewhere (which is part of the dollar amount since salaries, but I wanted to make it clear that time spent is also important).

Some of the absolute best games in the industry have literally none of that, and people still want to play and buy them years after release because gasp they're actually fun, but these publishers and devs don't want to compare to those, because they WANT the industry to be a bunch of "GAAS" bullshit that's basically a vacuum pushed into people's wallets, cause hey, if it worked for Candy Crush....

lowdownfool, do gaming w Baldur’s Gate 3 is Causing Some Developers to Panic
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

Is there something I can read instead of giving some jackass a view on Youtube?

Goronmon,

To summarize the actual tweets/comments/etc that these videos (there are multiple) are panicking about.

  1. Smaller studios aren't going to be able to replicate the scale and complexity of BG3. So people shouldn't be using BG3 as the bar to compare future titles/RPGs from other studios going forward. Larian is comparable in size (or even larger) to Bethesda when they released Skyrim, and no one has been able to compete directly with Skyrim either.
  2. Not all games and RPGs need to be as complex and long as BG3. Expecting open-ended, 100 hour-long RPGs for every future game/RPG isn't realistic. Not all games require that scope, it's rare to get such a budget for this type of game, and even if you did, most companies won't be able to replicate the game in a meaningful way. Just like how companies other than Rockstar would struggle to replicate the scale of games like GTA and RDR.

There, I've summarized multiple 20 min videos. Just without all the hand-waving and drama.

stopthatgirl7,
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So, I see you definitely didn’t actually watch the video.

Goronmon,

I did, did you?

stopthatgirl7,
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Considering I’m the one who posted it, yes.

Goronmon,

You would be far from the only person who has posted a link to an article/video they have never read/watched.

jeebus,
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It was a pretty good video with a good message. All the more surprising is that it was from IGN.

lowdownfool,
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I prefer not to sit through a 10 minute video for something that requires less than a minute reading time.

falidorn, do games w It's a Good Time To Be an Indie Game Fan

This has been true for a decade now.

caseyweederman, do games w It's a Good Time To Be an Indie Game Fan

What game’s that goblin from?

halfstep,

Peglin!

prole, do gaming w What We Don't Talk About in "Spec Ops The Line"

Amazing game, and one of those “video games as art” that is often overlooked. The gameplay itself is nothing to write home about, but the narrative would not have been nearly as powerful if it wasn’t completely interactive.

Maybe we could get some young, impressionable, IDF kids to play that white phosphorous sequence so they can learn what it feels like in a video game without having to actually murder countless civilians.

HollowNaught, do games w Mario & Luigi: Brothership – Overview Trailer
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

Oh look, how kind of Nintendo to stop suing people long enough to make a game

knokelmaat, do gaming w What We Don't Talk About in "Spec Ops The Line"

What a great video! I was afraid going in that it would have some “forced” new opinion on the game to be relevant, but it was actually super important and interesting.

Thanks for sharing!

Cadeillac, do games w What We Don't Talk About in "Spec Ops The Line"
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I have avoided spoilers for this game, as I’ve been meaning to get to it. I’m worried that isn’t gonna happen, and wonder if I will get the same experience others talk about from watching it

abrinael,

Not quite. But it probably also depends on how you play the game to some extent. If you approach it like CoD and let the story take you, you’ll probably have a good experience. If you go in thinking you can figure it out or outsmart it, you probably will and it won’t be as good.

falidorn,

I’m gonna be that person and say that if you haven’t made the effort to play a 12 year old game by now, you never will. Not belittling your effort to avoid spoilers though.

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

My friend, I still go back and beat NES games I never played before. Age doesn’t make a difference to me, it just isn’t high on the priority list

It isn’t super difficult to avoid, the game doesn’t come up super often. Typically when it does people want others to experience it blind and try not to spoil much

falidorn,

Well I’m one of those people you mentioned. Get on it!

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, until I find a permanent place of residence my PC will remain in storage. It’s not looking like that will be happening any time soon

NOOBMASTER,

you should have played it

Nibodhika,

No, watching a gameplay won’t give you the same experience. Keep avoiding spoilers, it is really best experienced blind, although knowing there is something to experience might weaken it.

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve always known there is something to experience. Have a general idea from context clues as well, just nothing specific or certain. Maybe one day I will get to it. I’ll just jeep doing what I’m doing for now. Thank you for your response

criss_cross,

Nah you gotta play it IMO.

Just go and do it now and don’t read anything else.

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

I would if it was an option

PieMePlenty,
  1. It’s been overhyped a bit.
  2. It’s not getting any better with age.

You should probably just play it when you get a weekend to yourself. It’s not that long and it’s worth playing through.

lemat_87, do musiczka w tytus.cpp: Beat Bash Boulevard: Oldskool Hardcore Amiga Mix
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Aż zapauzowałem mój harbass, żeby tego spróbować, no i pomijając bit i bas, to reszta dźwięków dość podobna, czyli jest git. 👍

harcesz, do musiczka w tytus.cpp: Beat Bash Boulevard: Oldskool Hardcore Amiga Mix
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Najs! Dla równowagi zaraz wrzucę coś na gemboyach 😃

cpp, do musiczka w tytus.cpp: Beat Bash Boulevard: Oldskool Hardcore Amiga Mix
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cpp, do musiczka w tytus.cpp: Beat Bash Boulevard: Oldskool Hardcore Amiga Mix
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BreadstickNinja, do games w Timberborn Update 6 - Wonders of Water is live!

Time to lose another hundred hours!

Donjuanme, do games w Timberborn Update 6 - Wonders of Water is live!

I’m pretty excited for this one, glad they figured out how to do water physics!

PunchingWood, do games w Mario & Luigi: Brothership – Overview Trailer

I guess it’s like spiritual successor to Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga?

Looks like an alright game, although the turn based combat always seemed a bit out of place to me.

Stovetop,

It’s not a spiritual successor, just a normal successor. It’s the latest entry in the “Mario & Luigi” series.

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