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JRepin, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'
@JRepin@lemmy.ml avatar

No thanks. We don’t need more closed and bloated spyware, what we need is more open and privacy respecing OSes like GNU/Linux and devices using it like Steam Deck.

johnthedoe, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

Cool. Now it just needs steam os on it

HughJanus,

Those ChimeraOS folks are gonna have their hands full…

krolden, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'
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All these new handhelds with windows seem to have completely forgot how much of a failure windows has been on mobiles in the past (other than laptops and such). I know windows mobile was a whole different ui but isn’t windows 10/11 even worse to use on small screens like this?

I really hope valve starts supporting steamOS for devices other than the deck soon so we can have the full deck experience including all the tweakable settings.

Grass, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

Asus and Lenovo clearly put no thought into how controlling windows desktop with a controller feels worse than pancaking your own testicles. The steam deck trackpads are far from an amazing experience for desktop input but it is at least usable and not the worst thing ever.

donuts, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'
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Hardware makers making the same mistakes over and over again...

I'll say it louder for the kids in the back, "DON'T BOTHER MAKING CUSTOM GAMING HARDWARE WITHOUT A CUSTOM GAMING OS".

Regardless of how you feel about Windows, it is not fit for purpose. It's the wrong tool for the job.

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Well, you know what they say:

When all you have is a hammer everything looks…like…a…uhhhhhh…Window?

Erk,

When all you have is a Window everything looks like a huge friggin pane

atocci,

If this form factor is here to stay, and hopefully it is, Microsoft will probably adapt Windows to it (also hopefully). SteamOS is very good though, can manufacturers not just use that?

sailsperson,
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Microsoft will likely do fuck all and have us all rely on third-party solutions.

superkret,

As long as you don’t use it for Office, Microsoft isn’t going to spend money on it. Their cash cow is M365 and Azure, they don’t even care when every single gamer pirates their OS.

krolden,
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I could see them pushing an Xbox handheld in the near future.

mnemonicmonkeys,

I think other manufacturers aren’t using SteamOS for 2 main reasons:

1: They get to brag about universal compatibility, even if that’s not a huge gap anymore

2: They aren’t dependent on a direct competitor for their software

HughJanus,

Except Valve isn’t a competitor to any of these hardware manufacturers if they also have SteamOS.

Damage,

Eh, this and the Ally are cash grabs, I doubt they intend to spend the money needed to support custom software long-term. They’ll just hope that Windows updates don’t mess it up and if they do, they’ll blame Microsoft.

curiousaur, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

Not interested at all. Steam os has spoiled gamers with the quick booting, flexibility, and pause / resume. It’s over for windows.

HughJanus,

MS has a handheld gaming OS in the works.

bear,

They don’t; there was an internal tech demo that never went anywhere but was spread around online a few months ago with a bunch of misinformation that Microsoft was preparing to fight the Steam Deck head on.

gamerant.com/microsoft-windows-handheld-mode-leak…

the developer also noted that the project itself “didn’t go much of anywhere.”

HughJanus,

Well that’s a shame but thanks for the update on that.

kingthrillgore, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'
@kingthrillgore@kbin.social avatar

That's cool and all but I got my hopes on the Steam Deck still, simply because Valve cracked the "who needs Windows" nut

mnemonicmonkeys,

I second this. I’m planning to start switching my devices from Windows to Linux in a couple of weeks due to good experience I’ve had with the Steam Deck

Wander, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'
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At least this means that the PC handhelds seem to be lucrative and we can definitely expect a steam deck 2 or better competition.

erwan,

I’d be glad to see better competition to the Steam Deck but currently they’re all very far.

They all run Windows and lack touchpads.

1brokeguy, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

Is running windows os on these devices is a lot of resource overhead?

aBundleOfFerrets,

These devices are honestly quite fast, the overhead is similar to the overhead on an entry level gaming PC (to be fair, that is still a substantial overhead, but people accept it)

Fylkir,

The bigger problem with Windows is that the Steamdeck has some great battery optimization settings that seem like they’d be a pain to implement.

Alto,
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Plus windows just kinda sucks to use with these sorts of devices

superkret,

MS tried to make a Windows that doesn’t suck on mobile devices, everyone h8ed it.

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

Tends to happen when you abandon desktop usability in favor of mobile usability

mnemonicmonkeys,

Plus windows just kinda sucks to use with these sorts of devices

FTFY

ares35,
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windows can be tuned to run fairly well, but we're talking lenovo here, and they do love their preinstalled crapware.

hakase, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

It’s got some ground to make up if it’s going to try to take on the ROG Ally. Still, competition is exactly what this space needs ATM - can’t wait to see where the market is in a few years!

Zapp, do gaming w Xbox's biggest crisis right now isn't games. It's hardware. (Opinion - Jez Corden)

As a current Switch owner deciding what to pick up next time I spring for a new system, the lack of anything portable from Microsoft and Sony is kinda wild to me.

SturgiesYrFase,
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I still rock my Vita, and it makes me unreasonably angry that Sony didn’t seem to take it seriously.

Hdcase,

Well Sony tried twice and it didn’t really pan out either time.

Zapp,

That’s a good point. No company has had a great time throwing their handheld into the market across from a Nintendo product.

Steamdeck and Evercade seem to be holding their own, at least.

Amilo1591, do gaming w Xbox's biggest crisis right now isn't games. It's hardware. (Opinion - Jez Corden)

Xbox hardware is fine, games are fine, controllers are excellent (long battery life), price is fine…

It’s the brand image that’s shit. All thanks to random naming system that erodes any brand loyalty someone would have.

Hdcase,

I agree with you about the brand loyalty. But the fact remains, they put out a console in 2020 that in some ways was actually weaker in power than the console they put out in 2017. Great for customers since it’s so cheap, but not great for developers when other modern systems are so much more powerful. Larian can’t even put out Baldur’s Gate 3 on XSS because it can’t handle split screen for that game, which means no XSX version either.

As for games… Everyone’s different but as a big fan of the Xbox during the 360 era, the Xbox Series have no (exclusive) games that have appealed to me personally. And the ones that I am excited about (Fable, State of Decay 3, Everwild) have no release dates and are almost certainly years away.

Zapp,

Yeah. I stopped buying XBox after they let my account get hacked and restored none of my purchased content.

I occasionally consider giving Xbox another try, but then the whole tiers of systems and naming nonsense takes long enough to parse that I remember why I stopped buying Xboxes.

hightrix, do gaming w Xbox's biggest crisis right now isn't games. It's hardware. (Opinion - Jez Corden)

Call me dumb if you want, but I still see a big issue in MSFT's naming convention for XBox. They need to stop trying to be clever and just do something sequential.

HalJor,
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They’re just following the naming convention established by Windows: 1, 2, 3, NT, 95, 98, 2000, Me, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, 11

Amilo1591,

Only if… if Windows used same scheme as Xbox you’d get:

Microsoft Windows, Windows 95 , Windows XP, Windows One, Windows OS NT, Windows OS One.

spacedogroy, do gaming w Xbox's biggest crisis right now isn't games. It's hardware. (Opinion - Jez Corden)

I don’t think it’s hardware, more brand and exclusives. The casual player bought a PlayStation 4, so they buy a PlayStation 5. The gaming enthusiast knows that there’s just more varied and interesting games coming out on Sony’s platform. In terms of performance, the Xbox also frequently under performs against the PS5 regularly (not by significant margins usually, but still) when on paper it should be the more powerful console.

Myself, I have an Xbox Series S along with a crappy old 1080p plasma and 3 years of Game Pass, and I’m at a time in my life where I don’t have the time I used to to play loads of games all the time. I’m happy with the Series S, but if you’re coming fresh to this generation of consoles, I can’t see why you wouldn’t just buy PS5 as that’s where the games are.

Eggyhead,
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Are xbox games typically available on steam deck, or would you specifically need a windows system?

spacedogroy,

A lot of Xbox exclusives are available on Windows, yes, but Steam Deck compatibility is something you’d need to check on a game by game basis.

iminahurry, do gaming w Xbox's biggest crisis right now isn't games. It's hardware. (Opinion - Jez Corden)

20 million units of a gaming console hardly sounds like a crisis. People have gotten far too used to sales number of mobile phones. Consoles are not something everyone buys.

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