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RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects

Honestly? Its kinda good Perfect Dark was cancelled.

When MS first showed Perfect Dark, there was nothing of substance really to base any expectations on. Except previous games, which were only ever “okay.” But the second time they showed it, with their idea of gameplay, it looked bad. It didn’t look like what one would expect from Perfect Dark, it looked like some weird hybrid between Battlefield/Call of Duty, Mirror’s Edge, and a high tech cyberpunk game.

Perfect Dark was really only ever “that game Rare made because they weren’t allowed to make GoldenEye 2.” It wasn’t really revolutionary or prolific or anything, unlike GoldenEye.

Its better that it stays the way it was than be ruined by whatever it was going to be cobbled into. I am kinda shocked it took MS this long to cancel it.

TwinTitans, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects
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Not surprised at all. What WILL surprise me is if M$ actually releases another XBOX console. Because as far as I’m concerned right now, regardless of what they say, they are not.

NOT_RICK,
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Seems a foregone conclusion at this point that they’re going to brand a PC as an Xbox and allow it to run both Xbox and PC games on it. They may not even bother making the hardware themselves like they’re doing with this partnership on the “Xbox” handheld which is really just a cross branded Asus handheld.

fushuan,

I really hope they do, or either allow Devs to publish games only on the good console. Having to release for the S if you want to release Xbox at all is a nightmare that needs to stop, it’s gonna get harder as time goes on.

commander, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects

Fables got to be far along enough to not get cancelled but my expectations are incredibly low. Nothing against Forza Horizon but giving a studio that has only ever made Forza Horizon games a AAA RPG reboot where the original game was known for it’s super endearing and fun writing along with a hodgepodge of promised god game mechanics in a third person RPG is a bad idea. Also using the Forza engine

So they need writers, they need game designers that do third person combat, level/creature/etc designers since racing simcades replicate real world stuff, I imagine them even needing a different voice acting director rather than whatever they do with Forza Horizon.

It’s pretty much a startup studio with a huge budget that has to upgrade the Forza engine to make content creation for quest/gameplay designers/non-programmers easy. Also studio heads have to learn how to manage the staff and content pipeline for a huge RPG game. Recipe for terrible growing pains. Should have never pushed almost all their studios towards Kinect and then live service. Maybe then Lionhead wouldn’t have atrophied and been shut down

MilitantAtheist, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects

Selling Bethesda to MS was a mistake.

JackDark, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects

Fuckers buying up studios and then shutting them down. I knew this was going to happen.

NOT_RICK,
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While I agree with you in principle, they didn’t buy the Initiative. It was a studio they founded that hasn’t shipped a single game.

Perfect Dark looked cool though, this is a major bummer.

JackDark,

Thanks for the correction. I was also looking forward to Perfect Dark. Been a big fan since the original on N64, hence the username.

paultimate14,

They bought the Perfect Dark IP though. That’s probably just going to languish now.

JackDark,

To be fair to MS, they bought that with Rare a long time ago, and they have put out a perfect dark game since then.

NOT_RICK,
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That game was not good, but I sure did have fun as a teen fucking around with the multiplayer. Those early 360 games were weird

JackDark,

Agreed. I really wish more multiplayer games would put in bot options. I am firmly an anti-PVP player, but I would play the hell out of some of the big PVP games if they gave me a pure PVE option.

ijedi1234,

Good lord I hope Nightdive stays intact long enough to make a Dark Forces 2 Remaster. Jerec needs to show the new kids how an Inquisitor does things.

Hubi, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects
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I swear to god, the entire immersive sim genre is cursed.

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited )

Deus Ex IP being shelved before it’s final trilogy getting cancelled

Vampire the masquerade being rushed and a shell of it’s original idea

Vampire 2 being rebooted from immersive sim to linear action game.

Prey 2017 getting killed

Redfall being the worst game of the year it released… resulting in Arkane Austin being killed

Fortune’s Run developer going to prison

Perfect Dark 2026 cancellation

Yeah. It’s definitely cursed.

magic_lobster_party,

All hope lies in Gloomwood then

Hubi,
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And Core Decay. That one probably comes the closest to the original Deus Ex but the development has also been rocky so far.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Thank you so much! We’ll be wishlisting

Edit: ah fuck its never coming out

Hubi, (edited )
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The dev posted an update on the website in April - seems like it’s still in development.

ijedi1234,

System Shock seems to be working on clawing its way back from the dead.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Save your breath if system shock 3 releases

simple, do games w Microsoft is closing down Xbox studio The Initiative, with Perfect Dark killed as well — joining Everwild and ZeniMax's new IP, and other unannounced projects

I can -sort of- understand cancelling games that have been in development hell but it's insane than they cancelled the Perfect Dark remake. It looked very far along when they showed it last year.

entropicshart,

on SteamDB wishlist - friends and I were really looking forward to this remake.

Katana314,

Anytime I see super-smooth transition animations in a demo, or even just gameplay mechanics that seem to work out way too conveniently, it tells me it’s an animated “pre-viz” demo of the game they want to make. That’s kind of the impression I got from Perfect Dark.

Hadriscus,

Yea, demos are scripted and polished, I think that’s expected

Chronographs,

I think eat they’re saying is that those type of demos are less a representation of the current state of the game development and more a bespoke product to represent what they hope to eventually make, which in fact likely took time away from developing the actual game

Binturong, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

They think it literally does not matter, and sales kinda reinforce this. The game was an enormous hit on release, but I think it gradually eats away at the faith of the customers as their experience falls to shit in the endgame where the rushed development is glaringly obvious. That’s gotta add up and will eventually have an impact cause they sure as shit aren’t learning the right lessons. Always remember the best outcome for the top deciders is the quickest biggest buck, and they will throw ANYTHING under the bus that challenges that. Especially thoughtful and rich game design which takes time and love to produce right.

Goodeye8,

I don't think it eats away the faith. Capcom fixes the performance and endgame before the next release, everyone remembers only the final product. Capcom releases a poorly optimized game with bad endgame. It's a massive hit. Eventually people start complaining. Capcom fixes the game and the cycle continues.

People could've learned from the launch of World but people remember only the final update and final update World is great.

mintiefresh, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?
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It’ll never happen, but more people ought to vote with their wallets or else this kind of thing will just keep happening.

BlameTheAntifa, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

Why do so many games have such broken, awful, undercooked end-games? It’s endemic.

the_artic_one,

Because not every game needs an endgame but publishers demand long-tail monitization so devs tack one on anyway.

Bigfishbest,

Cause stupid people buy games on pre release and there’s apparently a lot of them.

Plebcouncilman, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

Why do people bother with PC gaming again? Never had a poorly performing game on my Series X. Even Cyberpunk 2077 ran perfectly on launch, I only experienced few minor graphical glitches once in a conversation with an NPC.

Feels good man.

jjjalljs,
  • Mods
  • fan patches
  • backwards compatibility stretching back ~50 years
  • indie games aren’t always on consoles
  • fewer subscription fees
  • hardware can be cheaper over time depending on details
  • games, especially older games, can go on sale for deep discounts
  • piracy
  • can avoid supporting megacorps like Microsoft and Sony

Just off the top of my head

Plebcouncilman,

But blockbusters always seem to have performance issues.

I have my series X for those major releases and my ROG Ally for indies. Gaming has never been better for me.

MotoAsh,

Yes, “performance issues” like, “I’m trying to run this on max settings with an $800 rig I got for cchristmas!”

So, you’re right… for the people who are too dumb/tech unsavvy to understand what graphics settings are.

Plebcouncilman,

I’m assuming PC gamers generally understand the required specs. If that is not the case, then that explains why every single AAA release has the same complaint without fail.

ampersandrew,
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The settings targeted on PC typically far outstrip what consoles can do. I’m targeting modest settings that are still better than what a console can do in those blockbuster games, and it still runs better than on consoles. They just don’t scale as well as they should when you continue to crank the settings up.

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Tar_alcaran,

Even Cyberpunk 2077 ran perfectly on launch,

Liar.

Plebcouncilman,

On the Series X? Absolutely it did. I had some glitches with objects floating in cutscenes and that one cyber implant that didn’t work. Put 90 hours in.

gonzo-rand19,

ran perfectly

had some glitches

???

Plebcouncilman,

I don’t usually expect absolutely no glitches on my open world games so for me that’s basically perfect. I did grow up playing hundreds of hours into an unpatched Xbox 360 version of oblivion so maybe I have more tolerance than most to minor shit like that. It didn’t even affect gameplay, it was just floating objects

RightHandOfIkaros,

It more or less did on the Series X. A lot of the clips people posted showing the really bad performance and bugs were from the original 2014 Xbox One or the Series S. On the Series X, it performed very well and I think I had it crash only twice in a 70 hour playthrough, in my own experience playing 2077 on my own Series X.

wazoobi,

Seriously… I’ve never had any other game crash on PS5 so much that it stopped popping up to ask if I wanted to send a crash report. It was still fun and I couldn’t stop playing it, but it crashed every half hour.

I don’t believe for a second that it was magically perfect on Xbox.

ieatpwns,

Bait comment

katze,

Why do people bother with PC gaming again?

Because one bad product doesn’t define the whole platform, don’t you think?

tatann, (edited )

Except Cyberpunk 2077 isn’t even a bad product

But at least on PC you can install mods to make it even better

SolidShake,

Cp2077 ran fine on my PC at launch.

Plebcouncilman,

It ran well on all the new consoles and the newer hardware at the time. The game was simply badly optimized for older hardware which most people had at the time because there was a hardware shortage

Glide, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

Compared to World and Rise? It’s just not very good. It’s by far the fewest hours I’ve put into a Monster Hunter game since… Well, literally ever.

SolidShake,

Why is this being said so long after release all of a sudden and not sooner?

Aielman15,
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I don’t play MH, so take my words with a grain of salt, but a friend of mine told me that they were hoping for more frequent and robust title updates to keep the game fresh.

According to them, there’s just not enough end game content for the game to remain interesting in the long run, and that’s on top of a gameplay loop far less rewarding/challenging than previous titles.

domi,
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Also, it runs like absolute ass compared to World.

tkohldesac,
@tkohldesac@lemmy.world avatar

i remember when the hundreds of hours of monster hunter came from the content on release. G-rank was the endgame, not $60 dlc that came a year or two later. I always wished monhun would become more mainstream but now i’ve eaten my words.

the_artic_one,

G-rank was always a full price DLC that came a year or more later unless you skipped the base games (or Capcom didn’t localize them like with 4).

tkohldesac,
@tkohldesac@lemmy.world avatar

G-Rank started in Monster Hunter G on PS2. The PS2 was not well known to have paid DLC.

the_artic_one,

No they didn’t have dlc, that’s why they sold MHG as a full price disc despite the fact that it was the same game as Monster Hunter with extra content, the same as Iceborne for World or Sunbreak for Rise.

SolidShake,

Ah I can see that. I didn’t get world because I got the beta and it looked like shit on my PC and my PS5. So was put off from it entirely.

the_artic_one,

World was just as bad at launch IMO. There was nothing worth doing post-story until Kulve Taroth came out.

Glide,

I’m famously a World hater, so yes, absolutely. Until Icebourne released, I was extremely disappointed with World, even for a pre-G Rank release.

Though, all of the titles since Generations have had the problem of being released with a portion of the planned content missing. I was more forgiving of it before, though I am having a hard time pinpointing why.

rozodru, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

It’s Capcom, they have no intentions of “fixing it” or “turning it around” because the execs either don’t care or no ones told them of the “overwhelmingly negative” reviews on steam. They’ll just shut it down like they have previous games. They won’t see it as people are not playing it because it’s not good they’ll just see it as people are not playing it so that must mean it’s at it end of life so we should shut it down.

SolidShake, do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

Who cares?

PineRune, (edited ) do games w Monster Hunter Wilds game reviews hit "Overwhelmingly Negative" on Steam — can Capcom turn it around?

TLDR: People are review bombing the game for poor performance and lack of endgame content. You can go look at the recent Steam reviews to see this.

Edit: wow people don’t like it pointed out that people are unhappy with the game?

tehmics,

So we’re calling legitimate criticism review bombing now?

trevor, (edited )

I swear “review bombing” has to be an astroturfed term to delegitimize criticism when companies do shitty things.

It shifts the blame from the companies doing a shit thing (lacing their game with DRM/anti-cheat malware, making them run like shit unless you enable AI slop upscaling, shoveling AI “”“art”“” assets, MTX, etc.) to the customers that are rightly mad about the shit thing.

Plebcouncilman,

The problem is that giving a bad review for performance is kind of (not exactly) like giving bad reviews to something that arrives broken. You never even used the thing how can you give it a 1 if you objectively cannot judge the items on its merits? Likewise you’re not judging the game itself but rather the fact that it does not run well on your hardware. Obviously the developers have responsibility for this, but if you’re a console player or have good hardware the criticism might not sound like a legitimate assessment of the game on its merits.

otp,

If it runs poorly on the recommended specs, bad reviews are warranted.

Plebcouncilman,

I agree, I’m just saying that the “vibes” of it are like that of giving a 1 star to an item that arrived broken, which is why people will call it review bombing etc.

otp,

If an ordered item arrives broken once, it’s a shitty delivery company. 1-star probably isn’t warranted unless the company is shitty about replacing it.

If an ordered item arrives broken regularly, it’s a problem that the company should’ve fixed.

If a game doesn’t work on one person’s machine, maybe they’ve got a bunch of malware installed or something.

If it doesn’t work on many people’s machines that meet the recommended specs, the company is at fault and deserves bad reviews.

katze,

You never even used the thing how can you give it a 1 if you objectively cannot judge the items on its merits?

First of all, if you look at the negative reviews, many of them have tens and even hundreds hours of playtime. Secondly, your question doesn’t make sense even on its own. Other customers deserve to know that the product they’re considering to purchase likely won’t work. Quality is a key characteristic of a product.

Plebcouncilman,

It was a rhetorical question and was referring to the case of a broken physical item. Not to the game. The bad reviews make sense, I was just trying to describe the vibes and why people might call it review bombing

Haarukkateroitin,

I did and lot of people complaint unable to launch or crashes. How that is review bombing?

I would be pretty pissed too if I would pay 70 for game that does not work.

Passerby6497,

Review bombing is now criticism of a game I like

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