To be fair, that’s all Bethesda’s games have been since Oblivion. And I’m not just talking about the plethora of Skyrim re-releases. None of their games are really all that different from the formula they laid down with Oblivion.
I actually wouldn’t mind an older game in a new package. I love seeing old movies remade (if they’re well done) and I would love if we could do the same for games. There are some really great remakes like Black Mesa, System Shock, Final Fantasy 7 (though I guess the jury is still out on that one considering it’s split into multiple games that haven’t been released), Demons souls, Resident evil etc. I think a lot of Morrowind fans would salivate over the idea of getting a Morrowind remake that contains the entire province of Morrowind and not just Vvardenfell (+ Mournhold and Solstheim), as long as it stays true to the feeling of Morrowind.
What I do mind are remasters. That’s just slapping a new coat of paint on an old game. Remakes (especially good ones) take effort and will feel fresh, remasters however are pretty much just cash grabs. Considering Oblivion is supposedly getting a remaster I have zero interest in it.
Honestly more commentary on the state of gaming in general with rereleases happening all the time. Bethesda did release Skyrim like five separate times.
But it’s not just Bethesda. Final Fantasy is getting remakes. Persona 3 is being remade. Blizzard is working on rereleases. The Resident Evil games are being remade. Like hasn’t resident evil 4 been released three times now?
Skyrim rerelease doesn’t really change anything, I don’t even think it cost Bethesda much to rerelease it. Your other listed games are remakes made from ground up. It’s like comparing Indie games and AAA games in term of development
There’s a good mixture. Some of the games I listed were literally just ports to he new hardware. Some were complete remakes. I’d say most of Skyrim lies somewhere in-between. It’s the base game, plus the 3 DLC’s, plus however many officially-sanctioned mods or platform-specific changes like for VR, Alexa (lol), or Switch. The re-release and different edition names are trying to set up boundaries and market the amorphous blob that most mod-heavy PC games are to console users.
This isn’t anything new though. How many different platforms has Super Mario Brothers been playable on? Or Sonic 2?
The best games of every generation get brought to the next. Whether it’s older stuff like Super Mario All Stars or the various Sega Ages and Classic collections. Most great PS1 and PS2 games saw release on the PS3, either digitally or in various physical collections. Tons of PS3 games have been re-released on PS4. Despite no backwards compatibility, there’s only a few PS3 exclusive titles left stuck on that platform. I don’t even know how many WiiU games are left that have not been ported to switch yet: that might be in the single-digits.
I don’t see how Skyrim is much different, but for some reason the Internet loves to hate it Skyrim and Bethesda in particular. Don’t get me wrong: they’re a giant soulless corporation. But there’s so many other corporations that have had way more consumer-unfriendly practices. Re-releasing a game on multiple platforms with new content added, usually at a pretty good price, just seems consumer friendly to me.
For me, I don’t mind that they re-release tesv on whatever potato they can fit it on, it’s that they keep doing this for over 10 years, but where tesvi? Maybe they got grrm writing it.
It's not as critical for Bethesda's series, because the stories don't intertwine, but one good reason to update some series is that the games span a really long period of time, to the point where only players who grew up with the series will have played the whole thing. Otherwise, players can only play the later games in a series.
Just because you bought something and never picked it up it isn’t the stores fault. If you buy a perpetual license to digital code then never download it then cry when the store stops providing the source or updating it sounds like a you problem. Now a SaaS thing is weird. Like what do i do when I own a license for Helldivers 2 and the service turns off. That is like paying a person a lump sum for a service like trash but it is one person and you expect it to last at least 50 years since that person is young and they die next week. Now you are out the money and the service expecting the service would never end
So he was messaging a minor and Twitch just got him off their platform and nothing more happened? No repercussions for what he was allegedly doing from a legal standpoint?
Twitch probably doesn't care beyond reputational damage/liability.
a settled lawsuit between Twitch and Beahm, where neither party admitted to any wrongdoing, and his contract was paid.
In fact it sounds like Twitch made an effort to keep it quiet, which was successful until these former employees spoke out (hope they don't suffer consequences)
Edit to add: Which is not to say there couldn't be separate consequences. It's just not going to come from Twitch. I'm sure a certain three letter agency is quite a bit more interested in Beahm now.
If Twitch helped to cover up a criminal act, they’d be opening themselves up to liability. Especially since they supposedly provide the product used for the communication AND apparently knew about it.
The simpler answer is, the reality isn’t as simple as the tweet makes it out to be. Twitch may have thought/known the user was a minor based off internal-only information, like previous messages, account information, etc. not anything in the conversation with Doc. In that case Doc would not have known they were a minor, and thus his actions would not have been illegal, and it would not be a story at all if Twitch reached out to advise Doc that the user was a minor… instead Twitch acted unilaterally and essentially burned the contract in the process. That would fit the same “facts” we’ve been told from all parties, but with a vastly different context that also matches the lack of criminal liability.
So what would he do that’s not illegal but bad enough to get banned? What would he do that would also explain why people are saying he was messaging minors for a meet up? Why would Twitch pay out the contract?
So what would he do that’s not illegal but bad enough to get banned?
Twitch is a private platform, they could ban him for whatever reason they wanted.
Disney dropped Johnny Depp because of the Amber Heard thing, but what did he do to deserve that? Twitch dropping Dr. Disrespect was probably entirely about optics.
I don’t know anything about him, I don’t watch him or anything. But if he did break the law, he absolutely would have been arrested. AFAIK, sexual assault/misconduct or whatever with a minor doesn’t have a stipulation that the minor can choose to not press charges, thats up to the prosecuting attorney. They almost always press charges, and they should. So if something illegal did infact take place, he would have been arrested.
Most of the times when people get busted for “chatting” to kids online, it’s because the child is actually a law enforcement officer who has gotten the person to admit their intent in a way that isn’t legally questionable.
Even if twitch reported the allegations to law enforcement, it’s unlikely any prosecutor is going to bring up charges on a famous/wealthy person unless they have an open and shut case. Which is really rare outside of sting operations.
Eh, it could be a multitude of reasons. It could be that they just had a bad contract. Even if there is a morality clause, how that morality clause is enacted may be dependent on actual charges being filed.
It is possible they had a reasonable concern about the situation, but it wasn’t drastic enough for them to legally terminate the contract. Wanting to save face in this scenario isn’t exactly too hard to imagine considering their demographics.
Or it could be that it was simply cheaper to pay the rest of the contract than it would to arbitrate in court. Or they may have feared themselves being further implicated during a proceeding if someone at twitch enabled or tried to cover it up.
honestly the only way people will 100% be able to understand as to why they’d have to see the contract Twitch had with Guy at the time. I wouldn’t put it past twitch if they had a really loose and shitty contract. could simply be a matter of “we want you off the platform, we weren’t smart enough to have a solid mortality clause if any at all, so we have to pay out the rest of your term”.
and Guy could have been speaking the truth when he originally said 4 years ago he didn’t know why he was banned. They could have simply banned him and hoped he wouldn’t fight it. He threatens to take them to court for the money he feels he’s owed and rather than potentially expose the victim they just decided to settle.
I mean knowing Guy’s fanbase that’s the route I would have personally taken. The last thing I would want is some kid that Guy was sexting to be potentially exposed and then harassed or threatened by insane 30+ year old dudes. it’s happened before in cases like this.
Terrible timing. There was just that payment processor panic with the porn games. Now you wanna have a kid talk to a naked man with a horse mask. I get its not sexual but read the room. It was clearly a bad idea even if it was meant to convey some profound message. Honestly I dont think that would have ever worked out. Its just whack.
Okay, cool. Do you think having a little girl talk to a naked horseman is something that would help sell the game? Or make it onto a marketplace anywhere? Thats why it was removed and they already tried to placate by makkng the girl an adult and that didnt work obviously. So whats your point here? Leave that content in the game? That doesnt solve the developers problem.
I literally don’t care if they had a little girl talk to a naked horseman (who is being treated by the game like a regular horse and not a man at all to make a point). My point is that banning things that aren’t child porn because of moral outrage leads to the moral crusaders escalating. Next thing you know they’re gunning for lgbt themes, then going after violence. It’s ridiculous and should be ridiculed and dismissed instead of pretending things are child porn just because you don’t like them.
Yeah all I am saying is this isn’t surprising. It should have been expected. I doubt you will ever be able to put a child model in a game next to nude adukt models and not get your game pulled from mainstream marketplaces. Thats just the current reality we live in and is not surprising. I mysslf dont think its offensive in this context. But again this outcome is completely expected.
You’re not even trying to understand what I’m saying if you think that deciding if this particular game is the hill to die on is what I care about. I don’t give a shit about this particular game. I care about maintaining the principles of not letting moralists dictate what art and media is appropriate for everyone else.
Yeah and what I am saying is this is stupid shit to do that for. Someone tried to make a “grotesque story experience” and they got too close for comfort for main stream distributors. You can still acquire the game, just not on these platforms. You can still play it in its intended state, just not on those platforms. So what you are arguing for really is for Steam and Epic to distribute this.
Yeah and what I am saying is this is stupid shit to do that for.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
So what you are arguing for really is for Steam and Epic to distribute this.
Yes, I am. There doesn’t appear to be a non-moral-panic reason for it to be barred, and being barred from steam will have a deleterious effect on the game and on the studio’s ability to keep making games. I wish company didn’t have that power, but they do.
Its their platform. In what world can you force people to sell shit they dont want to sell? You can literally go buy it and experience the art right now. But its not on Steam with achievements and friends seeing me play it so fuck it? Lmao what logic is this? Theres not much left to discuss here tbh. This seems pretty straightforward and your argument is incoherent at this point. They are getting loads of marketing from this
This particular game is. It won’t always apply to every game, which is why I want digital marketplaces that have so much market dominance they can make or break studios to not choose which games they allow on their platforms based on vibes.
This seems pretty straightforward and your argument is incoherent at this point.
My argument isn’t incoherent just because you refuse to engage the scenario from a systemic rather than one-off perspective.
I don’t understand why you keep replying without even pretending to engage the points and arguments that I’ve made.
Do you think saying “the game is available elsewhere” addresses what I said about marketplace dominance at all?
Do you think anything you’ve said that only applies to this specific game addresses anything I said about systemic problems?
You aren’t even trying to have a discussion. You’re just saying “I don’t like the game anyway so it’s good it’s not on steam” and pretending it being available on other storefronts and that it happened to go viral has any bearing on any of the points I’ve made when it obviously doesn’t.
In any case, it’s pretty clear at this point that you’re not going to engage with me faithfully, so I’ll be on my way. Have a good day!
What systemic problems? The systemic problem of distributors not distributing games with children interacting with naked adults? Thats not a fucken problem unless you’re a libertarian. The porn game crusade is a huge problem. This is not that. I don’t believe this is the game that will push through complete freedom of creation. I also dont believe our current public zeitgeist is ready to handle the complex questions that arise from content like this. I didnt even say I didnt like the game. I havent played it. I’m sure its as thought provoking as Solarium or SOMA. But acting like this is a moral panic overreach of sensorship is a little much when its still available on one of the biggest game marketplaces available AND you’ll get the offline installer for it. Go play it. I just might after all this and see what the hubub is actually about.
Sounds like a business discussion was not had if they really are “serious abiut their product” like horses.wtf says they are. Thousands of games go on there each year and dont have this problem.
Isn’t that part of the discussion? That Valve can just arbitrarily reject a game. Before the payment processors stepped in for example, which was also the time Valve “banned” Horses, Steam had games that had the four-letter r word in their description and Valve didn’t care despite being contacted by Collective Shout. One could argue they’re lying, but as someone who’s worked with most major publishers, I can believe them, because Valve is almost impossible to reach. In my experience, and based on what I’ve been hearing, most of the time they simply don’t reply to press requests. Instead they do these publicity stunts where Gabe Newell will occasionally reply to random email messages from people online, knowing the reply will be posted to social media, or he’ll do an interview with a nobody on YouTube.
This all happened because they had a literal child riding one of the naked adults on a lead and then wanted to play dumb. I dont agree with Steam practically controlling the PC market, but this one is a case of the developers stepping on their own rake and then turning around and saying “look what they’ve done to me!” I don’t know why this is such an unpopular opinion. But I digress. Because in actuality I would simply not buy the game, I don’t actually care if it is available on Steam, I’m just saying having a kid ride a naked adults shoulders is very obviously not going to pass their content checks.
And I would agree with you if that content were still in the game.
If they are disallowed on Steam, with no recourse, and Steam’s market share is 75%, this is the letter and verse WHY we have antitrust laws. They are the textbook definition of a monopoly.
A federated game distribution platform would be cool. Something no one can own. I dont think that will happen in our capitalist world. But I also dont think this particular problem would be solved by that.
but can that content be removed without changing the game? they already changed her from a kid to a grown woman, because it fit the story and the message better, apparently. but would removing that entirely still work?
idk, i haven’t played or analysed the game. i’m guessing that it’s there for a reason. but i do know that demanding content be changed because it makes us uncomfortable is not a good thing!
I have played the game. There’s far more pornographic games on Steam. All of the nudity is censored, there are no kids or even characters that could be mistaken for kids in the game, and it’s obvious in its intent - there’s nothing that I’d describe as even approaching titillating; the whole experience is clearly just intended to - and successfully so - make you feel uncomfortable and unsettled. The scene in question - the one that previously had the young girl - is particularly unsettling specifically because of how it normalizes everything else that’s going on, and I agree with them that the scene works better with a grown woman than it would have with a kid. There’s no reason for this to be banned on Steam.
Yeah cause the content that made headlines was changed. So you won’t see it by playing you had to read into why. Look, I’ll get down on some Futa Femboy House. Lets go. But maybe lets not involve kids and nudity in the global community, thats a recipe for disaster. Either way, that will for sure get you delisted and you cant act surprised in this capitalist, bland-shit-to-widest-audience world. What just happened will happen to you. Maybe if they wanted it to be considered art, which I think might have gone better, present it aa that at a gallery or your own hosted site. Valve or any big corp is not going to fuck with that 100%. I’m just honestly surprised they’re surprised and this is making such a big splash.
Whether they’re surprised or not, going public with it was a good marketing ploy because I never would have known about the game if they hadn’t, and I bought it. I’m sure many more of their sales can be attributed to the same.
Who is self censoring here? Horses.wtf states the game is available in an unchanged state elsewhere. Just not on Steam or Epic. They’re big ass corpos. Dont know why this is shocking or why people want them to be forced to sell it. Valve was never your vanguard for self expression or art exploration.
Valve has hundreds if not thousands of highly and expressly pornographic games on its platform, so I don’t think this can be chalked up to the Collective Shout folks’ spectre somehow looming over Valve. As another commenter pointed out, according to the devs’ own timeline, Valve’s rejection happened prior to the recent successful Collective Should payment-processor targeting.
I suspect that EGS and Humble probably halted sale at the last minute due to the added press naming them as distributors prior to launch, often in articles that included Valve’s response asserting that it contained questionable content related to minors, and them going, “hey what? Hold on a sec, we don’t know anything about that.”
If you were about to sell a bunch of cars, and a major dealership announced they wouldn’t sell them because their trunks were all full of cocaine, a couple days before launch, you’d probably delay your launch to double-check as well.
Unfortunately, the developers’ own initial press statements where they sort of feigned innocence ignorance (after they had already changed the scene presumed to be in question, meaning they at least had some idea that was likely the issue) probably didn’t help their credibility in other platforms’ eyes, as far as being business partners goes.
iirc the game was refused by steam before the payment processor thing, and even then, you don’t scrap your whole project because of one moral panic. not only is it bowing down to pressure, it’s also just a terrible idea financially
I mean are you saying they should have left the game as is? Really dont understand your argument here. It seems this is more just bad taste rather than a moral panic.
It looks cool, but to me, if it’s not being offered for around $500, then it’s just a pc replacement in my eyes. From the questions he asked, it definitely seems like it’s going to cost more than $800.
Good timing though, get your system out first before the next generation starts releasing at the end of next year or 2027. From what I have seen, the first to release generally does the best.
My problem seems to be how much it talks about the ps5. It’s been 5 years, so of course, better hardware can fit into smaller space. My problem with that is generally any hardware that compacts it this much will run into heating issues a few years into owning it so I would absolutely prefer the bigger ps5 anyday which has shown no issues so far. Also, they were comparing it to the ps5 alot which is a 5 year old system. I would hope it does significantly better!
I also would like to know more about the OS. Is it just the steam deck OS slapped on this, or is it customized more? I would want/hope they deliver the things that a console offers and more that make it more convenient than just a PC.
Overall, I am interested in this, but if it really does costs as much as I think it will, I am not sure who this will ultimately be marketed to, and I could be wrong, but I doubt it will sell enough for them to say it was a success lets make more. They do have the money to throw at it though, so I guess that was enough for them to take a stab at it after the success of the steam deck.
While the main cooling system is important, the thermal interface material they pick is also a big deal with systems intended to not be user serviced and with long lasting lifetimes like consoles… It honestly depends a lot on what TIM they decided to go with. Traditional thermal pastes are cheap but almost always dry out after just a few years causing much higher temps. Liquid metal is great, but more expensive and you must design it right, vertical orientation can cause leakage if not properly designed (some laptops end up having issues because of this). Phase change material is probably the optimal middle ground for ease of installation, and simplified design.
Watch the gamer nexus video if you want more info on the cooling. Iirc they use phase change TIM for the CPU and paste for the GPU.
They also talk about how they designed the case to avoid it being choked
It sort of is… I collect consoles, I have everything from the 2600 to PS3/Wii/360. I quit after that because the XBone and PS4 were just horrible shitty PCs that ran games like garbage and had insane load times. I like the newest XBox and PS5, but I’m done collecting consoles forever because they’re just locked down PCs now. The Steam Machine is a console for computer game players with MUCH LESS locked down OS than a PlayStation or XBox and I love that idea very much. I have four high-end computers for games at my house (maybe five, one is old but still works great with linux) and I would still consider a Steam Machine in my house as another first computer… but it does really taste like a console (in a good way)
LTT describes that the XBOX team have also trimmed down 2GB of W11 desktop bloat with this and have attempted to make the W11 experience more similar to a console. I’m curious to follow this. I’d imagine Microsoft are a bit intimidated by the fact that SteamOS is a better gaming OS than Windows. Obviously this must have been in the pipeline for a long time now.
I would be interested if it also supported quick resume from sleep like the Deck does. Imo that’s the killer SteamOS feature that’s keeping Windows alternatives from being even a consideration.
I have an Xbox Series S for my little one and Direct Resume is such a nice QoL feature. Having 8 games always ready and only takes 3 seconds to resume even after you turned off and unplug the console is very useful. There’s some games on my handheld PC I didn’t bother playing since launching it can take a long time.
Right. But I meant if SteamOS or Bazzite had that feature already for the ROG Ally, why reinstall an objectively worse OS when it also gains that feature?
Mind that this is different from pausing the game. The OS is suspending the game state into the disk, so it’s more similar to emulator snapshots functionality.
Compatibility for one. Also unpopular opinion here, but I actually like Windows and use it on my main desktop. So having everything run the same thing does add some conveniences. The only thing I really like about SteamOS right now is really just the battery life and the quick resume from sleep. If Windows gets those through this initiative, then I don’t really have any reason to stick with SteamOS.
You still gotta use their shitty NVIDIA experience app (bloated with ads that make NVIDIA money when you open it), and you buying a used NVIDIA card increases demand (and thus prices) on all NVIDIA cards.
If you are a gamer and not doing AI stuff then buying a non-NVIDIA card is entirely an option.
Ok…they do. They get increased market share, which is measurable and valuable to shareholders, increasing stock value and increasing company liquidity.
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