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blindsight, (edited ) do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

Interesting seeing Hotline Miami make the list since I just watched a short video essay the other day explaining how OTXO is just a better game in basically every way.

I’m still in the 80s working my way down the list, but I searched and OTXO doesn’t appear to be on the page.

Edit: Conversely, I’m pleased to see Portal included instead of Portal 2. The Portal 2 goo was unnecessary and led to more boring puzzle solutions. Portal is a more pure, timeless game. And it has a lot of amazing mods… I should probably look into how to install Portal mods on the Deck…

mtlvmpr,

OTXO just might have been better than Hotline Miami if it was actually released in 2012. My personal gripe with it is how using a mouse at 60fps in [current year] just feels awful.

Fedizen, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

if its under GPL couldn’t they be forced to disclose the source code?

blindbunny,

Only if they made modifications

AnimalsDream,

What, where do you get that? Any publicly conveyed copies of gpl-licensed software must make their source code available, and be published under the same license. This is true regardless of modifications.

blindbunny,

I could be wrong and I’m more then welcome to being proven that. But wouldn’t this be like asking me to redistribute the whole process of running ZSNES on linux? Seems pretty infeasible.

AnimalsDream,

It would be more accurate to say it’s like requiring you to make the source code for ZSNES available if you were distributing copies of ZSNES.

blindbunny,

That’s a fair correction

Crotaro, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

I fully understand someone thinking x game deserves to be there instead of y but I think this is a great list that spans most genres and serves as a wonderful stepping stone for exploration within gaming.

If I give this list to someone who doesn’t know yet, what kind of games they like, this list will show them great games from all major “eras” and all kinds of dev studio sizes/budgets. And once they have played, say, KotoR 2 (since it’s in the same list that recommends new and good games like Baldur’s Gate 3, they are more likely to check out other old but great games like Gothic 1 and 2 (and, of course, KotoR 1).

Sylence,
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The thing for me wasn’t so much the game choice but the placement. It feels like they took a big bag of 100 of the best games and randomly picked them out one at a time. If you start to ask is Y really better than X on this list then it starts to make less and less sense.

Crotaro,

That’s a fair gripe with the list. I guess “Top 100 Games” is just more catchy than “100 Great Games In Random Order”

… Although at this point I’ve seen so many “Top x y” lists that “x Great y In Random Order” would, ironically, catch my attention more.

KingThrillgore, (edited ) do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Nintendo: Emulation is illegal, criminal, and you should never ever do it. If you do, we will sue your ass, send the Pinks, and then shit fury on you!!!

Also Nintendo:


Needless to say, I will not be buying an alarm clock today.

Jarix,

That’s not at all Nintendo’s philosophy.

They literally included emulation starting with the wii

So it is more of a rules for thee but not for me situation. Not you should never ever do it but you should only do it on our hardware with our emulators

johannesvanderwhales,

I mean, their position is that they as the rights holders can republish how they please, but that buying a cartridge does not give you license to play on other devices. You can disagree with them on legal or philosophical grounds but their position isn’t really inconsistent.

Jarix,

You arent wrong and they have every right to use emulation themselves as the legal owners of their products.

The hypocrisy, as i see it, is that they have in the past painted emulation as bad. Fullstop. So for them to have had that opinion, then use it themselves is where they come into being called out for it. Hence the rules for thee but not for me phrase.

And its not a perfect fit which is why i said “more of a” if that helps explain how i intended to mean it

The inconsitency is in their past words vs actions especially where going after emulators is concerned.

Thats all i was getting at hope that helps

TeoTwawki, (edited )
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It’s tough if not impossible to find now, so I don’t blame anyone for not knowing or believing this to be the case whole google results are dominated by more recent events involving more recent emulation cases. But they have literally in the past made the false claim that emulation itself was an illegal practice. Then later they pretend they never said that and most people never see it. I’ve seen emails from the big N’s legal team making the claim, but it was over 20 years ago. I just have a long memory…

Jarix,

people like myself never see it

Totally wrong my guy. I do see what you mean, but im claiming to be an exception to the case you have laid out.

Their actions are more important than their words which is why i made my point. Im well aware of nintendos history with going after emulation. They almost rival the mouse

For the record im not defending Nintendo here, i just apprciate honesty and accuracy. Otherwise its just slander and misinformation which we have way too much of.

TeoTwawki,
@TeoTwawki@lemmy.world avatar

most people like yourself never see it

Better?

Anyway their “philosophy” seemingly changes whenever convenient. No slander or misinformation there just sucky reality. You replied to someone mocking actual junk they at least pretended to believe at one point so I wanted to point out they actually have said things like this, coz I legit thought you didn’t know. At that time your other reply calling out their hypocrisy didn’t exist yet.

Mobiledecay, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
@Mobiledecay@lemmy.world avatar

I won’t be buying a Switch 2 and if I can’t pirate Nintendos games I won’t play them. I refuse to reward them for their bad behavior. Like a little child who throws tantrums they belong in the time out area.

lud,

I don’t think they care if you won’t buy their consoles or games anyways.

Mobiledecay,
@Mobiledecay@lemmy.world avatar

Reward bad behavior. Go ahead. Lol.

barsquid,

I really love those doofy detachable Joycons. However I have instead gone with the Steam Deck as it is open to the point of allowing custom OS and they advertise capability for DIY repairs.

Mobiledecay,
@Mobiledecay@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I have a Legion Go.

sag, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

8th is !balatro and 9th is !stardewvalley. Hell Yeah

HawlSera, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

So you admit that emulation is the best way to preserve old forms of interactive media?

RizzRustbolt, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

It would be pretty cool if they were using Higan.

thingsiplay, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

No Overwatch in the entire list? Final Fantasy 14 the only FF in the list? No Dota 2 or Leage of Legends? No Batman game?

I know its just opinions and fun, but I’m just very surprised, not angry or anything like that.

Vodulas, (edited )

The Overwatch 2 update was pretty widely hated, so that might be clouding things. I supposed they did put Destiny 2 on there though. It is for sure weird to not see FFVII or an Arkham game. Or hell, Dishonored.

Edit: Whoops missed Dishonored 2.

Skelemental,

@thingsiplay @DdCno1 this list is actually wild. Random flash in the pan games high up but also a bunch of evergreen classics and old games that were revolutionary but largely unplayed today while also missing some of the most popular games on PC. Not sure what this list is supposed to be except maybe engagement bait.

Vodulas,

All lists like this are incredibly subjective and by definition about engagement. I wouldn’t call it bait, but it was definitely created for engagement. That is not necessarily a bad thing since it can generate some fun discussions.

50MYT,

No Factorio either.

This article may as well have been written by AI.

Vodulas,

I’m not AI and I really dislike Factorio. I would say it is a bit of a niche game, but Rimworld also seems niche. Probably just not to anyone at PC Gamer’s taste.

TehPers,

Factorio is not for everyone, but it’s also one of the all stars of its genre. With the upcoming expansion in a couple weeks, it’ll probably eat another few hundred of my free hours over the next few months, and I know I’m not alone on this one.

Vodulas,

Oh, totally. But the folks making the list might not even have thought of it if none of them play it.

50MYT,

You wrote the article?

Vodulas,

No, just saying it would not have made my top 100 list. Seemed like a funny thing to say it is an AI list because of not having Factorio

Ludz,

True, OK everyone has its own preferences but indeed ff7 missing looks surprising, didn’t see lot of city builders (not mentioning wolfenstein, fable, populous, Dk…)

zod000,

Regarding the FF games, I think it’s actually fine considering some of the more notable omissions. Most FF games didn’t get released anywhere near when they were relevant.

thingsiplay,

Sure, but how do you explain then Persona 5 Royal then on place 5 then? Final Fantasy 7 Remake got higher ratings, I think sold more and was surely more popular on PC, right? Red Dead Redemption 2 was also released on PC when it anywhere near its initial relevance. Metal Gear Solid 3 or Mass Effect Legendary Edition is even worse, because those games are much much older.

Also Portal behind Slay the Spire? Team Fortress 2 34 places behind Hunt: Showdown 1896? So strange! These Valve games were revolutionary and defined their genre with huge number of players and fanbase.

My point is just, that the given argumentation here doesn’t hold up to me. But that is what you get if you ask people for their opinion. It’s just that and it will always surprise you.

zod000,

The list is honestly bizarre and the rank placements are all over the place. Most of your later examples of that I completely agree with. I just think that the mainline FF games not being on the top 100 list of PC games is fairly understandable, and I say that as a huge fan of the series. Ironically, FF14 is quite literally the only game in the series that I haven’t played.

Rose, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

CS2 being ranked higher than Siege and Fortnite is really misguided. It’s been almost the same game since before the internet. Siege was a welcome improvement on the same formula. Fortnite continues to innovate with new games and new modes, all appealing to a wide range of people and skill groups. Even its main mode sees drastic changes with each season. It keeps things fresh, which is vital for a live service game like those three.

dwindling7373,

This but ironically.

Schmuppes, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

Missing No One Lives Forever (2). Those games were just fantastic.

julianh, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

If the entire list isn’t outer wilds its bs.

frank,

It’s somehow not on the list? That’s actually unbelievable

Vodulas,

Good, because it is number 90

frank,

I’m an idiot, no clue how I missed that

Vodulas,

Nah, it is a long list. I missed Dishonored 2 on there.

Mac, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

I don’t usually give much thought to these lists but Minecraft deserves it’s place, undoubtedly.

Zozano, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games
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No Terraria :(

SmoochyPit, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

This list was really hard for my phone to view. It’s an older phone, so that’s probably why, but it kept freezing and reloading.

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