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Zomg, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

I do both 🤫

state_electrician, do games w There's still no sign of Star Citizen 1.0, but it did just get a revamped referral program so the die-hards can tempt in even more saps

I backed it right there in the beginning. I don’t even have access to my account anymore and I stopped caring. Star Citizen will always live in infamy, as this bizarre project that turned into some cult-like abomination and will just run ad infinitum until either the money runs out or the sun swallows earth.

hal_5700X, do games w There's still no sign of Star Citizen 1.0, but it did just get a revamped referral program so the die-hards can tempt in even more saps

The scam is eternal. Like taxes.

Treczoks, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

Someone so disconnected with reality should not represent anyone.

forrgott, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

Ah, yes, because I don’t need money for rent and food, just healthcare.

What a moron.

RubberElectrons, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

They’ll just keep turning the screws tighter if you let them.

Don’t listen to their lies.

Samdell, do games w 'Spitting in the face of your international audience': The Alters cops to using generative AI for background text and translations, despite not disclosing such on Steam

Shameful, but this is the state of modern game developers. Scrap every possible avenue of paying your workers a living wage while surrendering to all latest failure tech fads.

MudMan, (edited )

Neither of those things happened here.

The examples people found include a monitor showing random technical text that someone asked a LLM to write (presumably the writer who goofed is getting paid) and some localized subtitles that were left with a machine localization (the rest of the localization was contracted out).

Even assuming a bunch of other stuff in the game was AI generated and just went undetected, which is likely, if it's all iterations on what people noticed it definitely doesn't fit your description.

MudMan, do games w 'Spitting in the face of your international audience': The Alters cops to using generative AI for background text and translations, despite not disclosing such on Steam

Just so we're clear, the first pass of localization of every game you've played in the past decade has been machine-generated.

Which is not to say the final product was, people would then go over the whole text database and change it as needed, but it's been frequent practice for a while for things like subtitles and translations to start from a machine generated first draft, not just in videogames but in media in general. People are turning around 24h localization for TV in some places, it's pretty nuts.

Machine generated voices are also very standard as placeholders. I'm... kinda surprised nobody has slipped up on that post-AI panic, although I guess historically nobody noticed when you didn't clean up a machine-translated subtitle, but people got good at ensuring all your VO lines got VOd because you definitely notice those.

As with a lot of the rest of the AI panic, I'm confused about the boundaries here. I mean, Google Translate has used machine learning for a long time, as have most machine translation engines. The robot voices that were used as placeholders up until a few years ago would probably be fine if one slipped up, but newer games often use very natural-sounding placeholders, so if one of those slips I imagine it'd be a bit of drama.

I guess I don't know what "AI generated" means anymore.

I haven't bumped into the offending text in the game (yet), but I'm playing it in English, so I guess I wouldn't have anyway? Neither the article nor the disclosure are very clear.

That said, the game is pretty good, if anybody cares.

Poopfeast420,
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Machine generated voices are also very standard as placeholders. I’m… kinda surprised nobody has slipped up on that post-AI panic

Diablo 4 had this recently, where an obviously Microsoft Sam like robot voice made it through, and a few people lost their minds.

Nils,

I thought MS Sam was an accessibility feature, that you can enable and disable text-to-speech. Did they use that for NPCs voice-overs?

Poopfeast420,
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Ok? It was a temporary voice file that the devs forgot to remove or replace. And people immediately screamed that Blizzard is trying to sneak AI into the game.

Nils,

Oh, I did not know that. Thanks for explaining it.

afaix,

historically nobody noticed when you didn’t clean up a machine-translated subtitle

I don’t know about that, it’s super noticeable when that happens, it’s just that it mostly affects languages other than English, so it did not get noticed by Western media unless there is a review bombing campaign after a particularly atrocious localization

MudMan, (edited )

As a non-native English speaker, let me tell you, terrible localization was very much a thing that happened well before machine translation, so that by itself (and more subtle typos or one-off errors) was definitely not enough to infer that someone had forgotten to fix a machine-translated line once.

You can definitely tell when something has been machine-translated and not fixed, but the real challenge is lack of context. This leads to nonsensical localization even today, whether it's human or automated, especially in crowdsourced localizations, which are frequent in open source software. I contribute to some on occassion and maaaan, do I wish well intentioned people in that space would stop contributing to projects they don't use/lines they haven't seen in situ.

chicken,

but I’m playing it in English, so I guess I wouldn’t have anyway?

The text in the screenshot in the reddit post they link is in English

MudMan,

I hadn't clicked through to the Reddit thing (for obvious reasons). The example in the article proper is in a Portuguese subtitle, but now that you pointed me at it and I did check the Reddit thread... well, that text is not legible in game unless you really try, so yeah, I hadn't read it. I'm guessing that's the only English instance?

Daft_ish, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

People vote for this guy.

SCmSTR,

This guy unfortunately and unironically exists and likely has more power than anybody on the fediverse.

WrenFeathers, do games w There's still no sign of Star Citizen 1.0, but it did just get a revamped referral program so the die-hards can tempt in even more saps
@WrenFeathers@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly think at this point, anyone still giving this scam money deserves the loss.

As long as they’re only hurting themselves, I’m all for watching stupid people fail miserably.

jhoff90, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

He seems to know a lot about “young boys.”

Tillman,

He talked about monitoring his sons porn viewing history I think.

pugnaciousfarter, do games w There's still no sign of Star Citizen 1.0, but it did just get a revamped referral program so the die-hards can tempt in even more saps

They have a management problem. Roberts has had a history with badly managing projects especially where his uberambition is unchecked.

They could’ve entirely and easily avoided the forever beta tag if they had released the single player early on (even if it wasn’t perfect), like they had promised and then continued to work on the persistent universe.

Pulsar, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

Healthcare is just a way to coerce the working class to produce value for the wealthy. That is the real reason why there is no universal healthcare in America.

jjjalljs, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

I don’t accept the premise that working a job to make someone else rich is axiomatically good.

Many jobs make the world worse. I’d rather someone sit at home and play Tetris than build murder-drones, or work on some sort of AI powered stalking-ad company.

Many of the jobs are just bullshit. Another “AI” company? Another product manager with no real decision making power? A few billion dollars poured into “the metaverse”? Waste of time and resources.

That aside, most jobs make the owners rich while labor gets a few crumbs. You work all day making widgets. The boss pays you $10. They sell your widgets for $1000. That’s a bum deal. But there’s a thousand desperate people waiting to take your spot, plus union busters eager to betray labor and beat you up. Pay people the real value of their labor, and treat them with respect, and you’d likely get more people working.

Johnson is a heretical, hypocritical, piece of shit. No one should take him seriously. His church should – wait, he’s southern baptist? The “we’re going to split off because we want slavery” sect? Not surprising. Those assholes suck.

gabbath,

This. The whole framing needs to be pushed back against.

buddascrayon, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman

Says the asshole mooching off the gold standard free healthcare given to congressmen.

gabbath,

And what was his “merit” again (since that’s how they like to frame it)? Oh right, fooling people into voting for him. Just PR and courting big shots for campaign money.

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