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aksdb, do games w Xbox Console Sales Are Tanking

I am not a marketing expert, but when headlines pile up implicating that Microsoft doesn’t fully stand behind XBox anymore, no wonder the number for new customers tank. I wouldn’t “invest” in something that seems to be on the way out either.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Judging by how Sony is doing even though they clearly “won” with the PS5, it looks like consoles as we know them are not long for this world, and that seems to be the idea Microsoft is pivoting around.

ColeSloth,

Xbox should just go straight pc game setup for the living room. A mass produced windows (I know, blegh) pc with a pretty solid gpu and Xbox controllers. Basically the steam deck treatment for the living room.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I think signs are pointing toward that being their plan.

wizardbeard,

That’s pretty much what the Xbox has been since the beginning. The original runs fucking directX and runs so similarly to PCs of the era under the hood that porting shit to it is famously easy. It’s why the homebrew scene for it was so mind bogglingly huge.

Numerous times at E3 when they had demo units of new consoles people saw that the debug menus meant for staff were some mangled form of the current (at the time) Windows OS.


Most modern game consoles don’t use much specialty hardware anymore. The OG Switch uses the nvidea shield CPU just downclocked, and can run android easily. Some emulators literally run better on the Switch through Android than as homebrew “native” apps.

ColeSloth,

Yes, but games were always “xbox” games. I straight up mean open for pretty much all PC games to run on. If a game dev makes their game work with an x box control scheme, you can play it.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Or if you want to plug in a mouse and keyboard. Or they could support controller mapping, like Steam. Or they could just let you install Steam on it.

AtariDump,

I remember the OG XBOX was a Celeron processor and off the shelf PC components.

slaacaa,

And it is very bad for the consumers, as the console market highly needs the competition. It’s a shame how MS is dropping the ball with Xbox

JoMomma, do gaming w Roku’s New HDMI Tech Could Show Ads When You Pause Your Game

Don’t connect your TV to the internet, just don’t.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Cars have cell radios now and transfer data about you using those.

I would imagine that as long as it can generate enough of a return for it to make financial sense, manufacturers of other devices might start doing so at some point.

JoMomma,

Did you reply to the correct comment? I’m not sure what that has to do with mine?

Edit: oh, you mean we might not have a choice about it connecting soon? I hadn’t thought about that because that is not a current reality. But, that is a terrifyingly possible future

Dabjulmaros,
@Dabjulmaros@reddthat.com avatar

Imagine if your tv only worked if it can phone home so you couldnt just rip the chip off or mangle the antena.

bionicjoey, do games w Multiversus, WB's Smash Clone, Is Coming Back This Spring

WB will delete this to get a tax break at the first available opportunity. No point in getting excited about anything they do.

cyrus, do gaming w Nintendo Goes After 8,535 Switch Emulator Backups In Mass Takedown
@cyrus@sopuli.xyz avatar

We really need someone with budget to take Nintendo to court over this.

Sadly, I don’t think that will happen.

cm0002,
@cm0002@lemmy.world avatar

That was Yuzu, they were an actual company with actual funding, so much so that they were able to pay 2.4 million as a settlement.

They pussied out and ran for the hills after what? A day? 2 tops?

So no, probably not happening.

cyrus,
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have they paid 2.4 million? Last time someone with supposedly that much funding got fucked over by Nintendo they have been sent to jail, and once they came out had to basically pay rent to nintendo for the rest of time.

The reason we didn’t hear anything of that, if I had to guess, is probably an NDA.

Fisch,
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From what I heard, they didn’t pay that themselves but they filed bankrupcy or something so the government payed it for them

erwan,

That’s precisely because they made a business around it that they got attacked.

umbrella, (edited )
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  • cyrus,
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    At this point its not just “vote with your wallets” because they have like a 8B+ global turnover

    Me not giving them 60 bucks does nothing, even the entire Fediverse not giving them 60 bucks would do nothing.

    Though, them thwarting game preservation efforts on the basis of shitty DRM? Thats what I’d like to see fought.

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  • cyrus,
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    I run Ryujinx already, more accurate anyways :)

    Fisk400, do gaming w Larian Studios Is Officially Done With The Baldur’s Gate Series

    I would have done the same. Hasbro is poison to anyone that works with them and they would fire everyone at Larian for a penny.

    Even if everything went well with Hasbro, Larian is big enough now that they dont need to tempt fate twice.

    AFC1886VCC, do gaming w Larian Studios Is Officially Done With The Baldur’s Gate Series

    I like hey they just came and dropped one of the best games of the year then immediate quit the series.

    I understand the reasons why but when phrased that way it sounds pretty funny

    Caitlyynn,

    They made great games before, this just went viral

    arefx,

    n

    bg3 isnt even their best game, dos2 is. BG3 just got mainstream hype. Its a great game but its a little over rated lol.

    JustAnotherRando,

    I mean, I loved DOS2 as well, but I definitely think BG3 is the better game. There’s a lot of replayability from the combat in DOS, but the story and characters in BG3 are on a whole different level. DOS2 does definitely rank in my top 5 CRPGs though (BG3, BG2, DOS2, DA:O, and probably NWN would be that full list)

    SparrowRanjitScaur,

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with quitting on a high note. Not everything needs to be milked until people are sick of it.

    ABCDE, do games w Steam’s Most-Hyped Zombie Game Is Out, And It’s A Dumpster Fire

    Why is it “Steam’s”? The article is as bad as the game supposedly is.

    Breakyfix,
    @Breakyfix@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The ‘hype’ was the amount of Steam wishlists it got being insanely high. It’s all very sus, probably inflated by bot accounts

    SwiggitySwole,

    I know a handful of people who thought it looked like an impending disaster and gave it a wishlist so they could see the early negative reviews pour in

    Sylvartas,

    Because it was allegedly the most wishlisted game on steam at one point

    Ultraviolet, do games w GTA 6 is likely to skip PC again and only launching on current gen consoles

    Almost every AAA release has pulled the same trick for at least the last 10 years if not longer. Don’t announce the PC release until after the console release, that way some people buy the game twice.

    autumn, do gaming w Baldur’s Gate 3 Is One Of 2023's Best Games, Don't Turn It Into A Weapon

    Maybe AAA games just don’t need to be as large or sprawling. Release one full campaign with everything you need included in the price. Then if it does well offer dlc.

    As the article points out, balder’s gate was early access for 3 years, sold at full price, and still has bugs. It’s not an exception to the rule, larian just delivered a good product that had good source material behind it.

    PlantJam,

    I personally like the early access model. You get the choice to play the game now, as-is, or wait for the developers to call it finished. Last Epoch is a great example. In its current state, it is absolutely not finished. It still gave me hundreds of hours of entertainment, though, and I expect I’ll get hundreds more when I revisit it again when it’s officially launched.

    bionicjoey,

    The important caveat with EA is that the devs actually substantially expand on the early access experience. If they just spend a year or two doing minor bugfixes and then release the game it won’t go over super well. Especially if they reduced scope during early access. I’m thinking of something like Mount and Blade 2 Bannerlord, where the devs had described so many things they wanted to do with the game, but then didn’t realize many of those goals between when it went into EA and when it released.

    PenguinTD,

    it’s good enough so when I encounter glitches I simply laugh and move on.

    some of the glitches I’ve encountered so far:

    • animated door(or wall) loop back to closed “frame” but the collision is already moved away so you can walk through the door(or wall)
    • ranged attack/spell sometimes doesn’t calculate the path correctly when you hover over the target, so you have to manually move yourself and try again. Some times the path blocked calculation is wrong and you could waste spells.(especially for big enough creatures)
    • animation glitches during conversation. or right after loading.(mostly on NPCs.)
    • some stuff looks reachable but due to path finding for char to “get it” it becomes unreachable. (sometimes can use mage hand to get around this if said stuff is light and not fragile.)
    bionicjoey,

    The only bug I’ve encountered which bothers me is the one where a PC (normally Laezel for me) gets stuck in cinematic mode and their controls get locked out until I reload.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    I’ve had that one happen, and seen it on Let’s Plays. It’s always Lae’zel.

    bionicjoey,

    It’s because her cuteness is too powerful. The game struggles to contain it

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    There’s one huge bug in Act 2 where enemies in one really hard battle can shoot you through the floor. They know about it and working on it, but that one damn near killed two of my party members. There was no where you could position yourself where they couldn’t shoot to at you through the floor.

    PenguinTD,

    Today there is a update drop so hopefully it got fixed. I probably still have a couple region to clean up before Act2. (judging from the revealed map area. )

    FlashMobOfOne,
    !deleted7243 avatar

    That’s what Solasta did. (Developer: Tactical Adventures)

    Then we got two more fully-fleshed adventures as DLC’s, which I was more than happy to buy.

    Find good developers and then (if you can) pay full price so they can keep making great, microtransaction-free games.

    icecreamtaco, do games w Guy Who Taunted Nintendo About Streaming Pirated Switch Games Before Release Now Faces $7.5 Million Lawsuit
    @icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah this guy seems like an idiot and there’s no moral high ground here. Nintendo can have him

    Sanctus, do gaming w Starfield’s Paid Mods Ignite A Review Bombing On Steam
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    We didn’t like it last time, and absolutely nothing has changed.

    hightrix, do games w Xbox Console Sales Are Tanking

    I still believe their naming conventions has destroyed the brand.

    Grandma that wants to buy a toy for their kids can go to the store and buy the next PlayStation. Xbox… which one do they buy? They don’t, they buy the easy option.

    thorbot,

    What you didn’t like the meme name Xbox Series X? Xbox SeX?

    VindictiveJudge,
    @VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

    The only thing I will concede is that being able to shorten Xbox One X to XbOX was clever. Naming it the Xbox One in the first place was mind numbingly stupid, though.

    BigDaddySlim,

    This is exactly what happened with my mom trying to buy a Christmas gift for my nephew. She knew he had an Xbox but had no clue which version it was so she didn’t know which version of a game to get. I told her to just buy an Xbox store gift card and call it a day, much easier than trying to figure out which version of the console he had. Didn’t want her to buy him a disc if he had the Series S.

    TheFriar,

    This happened to me! I thought I was buying the newest gen. But then…games I was trying to buy were “not optimized for your console.”

    I’m still not sure which one I have. I think I have the ONE S. But the games I’m looking to buy are “optimized for X|S series,” but…don’t work on my console. I’m moving to PlayStation soon.

    Also, I have a feeling all that news a few months ago about how they’re gonna stop support for Xbox and may not continue to make games for it or will shut down the console division or whatever cannot have helped sales. I don’t remember the articles exactly. But the impression I was left with was Xbox was on its way out. Why would I buy another if they’re unsure of its future?

    ShepherdPie,

    It’s not like you can buy a 360 or One in the store though. They’re selling two versions of the same model.

    VindictiveJudge,
    @VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

    I have seen people very confused about which games will run on their system, though. Most are still cross compatible with XB1 and Series X, but some are Series X only now and the boxes aren’t marked clearly enough for some people to tell the difference.

    ShepherdPie,

    That’s a good point that I hadn’t considered as I thought the sentiment was solely toward the console itself. It may be a blessing in disguise though as now grandma can just buy you a gift card if she’s unsure which version of game to buy, so that way you don’t wind up with some off-brand game you’ll never play.

    Throw_away_migrator,

    Admittedly I don’t play on Xbox, but yeah their console naming is baffling to me and I honestly don’t know/can’t be bothered to figure it out. PlayStation is simple. Bigger numbers equal newer. Pro version? Just a modest step up but still clearly identifies as the same Gen.

    When Xbox launched the One, I thought, “oh they’re going to reset the numbering convention. It’s awkward now but will be easier going forward.” Boy was I wrong.

    On the other end there’s Nintendo, but the names are so different and distinct it’s easy enough to distinguish (except whatever the hell Wii U was).

    Microsoft seems caught in the middle. They clearly didn’t want to be like PlayStation, but they don’t want to/can’t come up with unique names, so you get just a mouthful of nonsense letters and numbers.

    echodot,

    Microsoft have sucked at naming things basically forever. Look at their windows versions. First they were numbered after the year release which made sense, they kind of break the trend with millennium edition but it’s still sort of worked because it came out in 2000. Was also a 2000 which confused things and then after that it just continued to go downhill.

    95, 98, 2000 (presumably because they didn’t want to call it 00), XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 (because nine is evil for some reason), 11

    There’s a rumor the next version is going to be called X, I assume because they haven’t really advanced as a company since the '90s and they still think that’s cool.

    VindictiveJudge,
    @VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

    (because nine is evil for some reason)

    Keeps support for poorly coded programs working. In the old days, a quick and hacky way to determine which Windows version the system was on was to have the program check the OS name. If the name started with the characters “Windows 9” you knew it was either Win95 or Win98 and ran in one mode, but if it was something else it ran in the other mode. If the new OS was named Windows 9, then certain old programs would break when run on it. Yes, the people who would have coded that way are idiots, and sure, the number of people running those programs may be in the single digits, but Microsoft has been pretty serious about maintaining backwards compatibility, even if that means ever more cruft and jank.

    The other reason is marketing. “See? It’s not anything like that awful Windows 8! We skipped all the way to 10 to demonstrate how different it is! Please come back!”

    vanderbilt,
    @vanderbilt@lemmy.world avatar

    I used to have a black XBox sitting beneath the TV gathering dust. I think it is a One by the shape. As for the new ones I have no idea off the top of my head which is the best. I’ve seen some on sale in places, but the impulse buy isn’t there because I have no idea what I would be getting. I don’t own a PlayStation, but if I wanted one I know that 5 is the newest, and you can get the small slim one or the big Pro one.

    janus2, do gaming w The New York Times Is More Gaming Company Than Newspaper – Data shows most NYT subscribers are playing games, not reading the news
    @janus2@lemmy.zip avatar

    anyone writing a story set in the distant future please make NYT the dominant video game company lol

    i mean nintendo did start out as a playing card manufacturer, nokia was originally a paper pulp mill, etc.

    damnthefilibuster,

    Yeah the Nokia thing really blew my mind!!

    kadu,
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

    “Playing card” company is a bit of an understatement. Nintendo was a grey market entertainment company - playing cards were banned in Japan, and a workaround was designing the cards with those beautiful drawings instead of suits. This is also why card companies were deeply associated with the Yakuza.

    Nintendo also operated casinos and love hotels, with prostitutes. In fact, they did a lot of weird maneuvering during the launch of the Famicom to tip off the Yakuza, who wanted to keep their strong ties and get early access to the hardware.

    There’s a whole book about how Nintendo and Sega had some crazy connections with the Yakuza and those shaped several projects in these companies.

    KreekyBonez,

    so, Team Rocket is the Yakuza, and Silph Co. is Nintendo? that plot in the original games was a cry for help?

    PoorPocketsMcNewHold,

    Interested by that book. Heard about those individual facts but want to learn more about it !

    chicken, do games w Will Smith Zombie Game No One Has Heard Of Bombs

    I would play No One Has Heard Of Bombs, sounds like an interesting game

    CaptKoala,

    What is bomb?

    vaultdweller013,

    Something that comes with lamp oil and rope.

    chicken,

    Don’t worry about it, on an unrelated note here is a gift of a bulky alarm clock counting down to zero with many wires

    CaptKoala,

    Thank you!! I surely won’t miss my alarm with this one!

    Toribor, (edited )
    @Toribor@corndog.social avatar

    I’m quite partial to the basketball-sized black sphere with a lit fuse sticking out of it.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Something somebody set up us with.

    retrieval4558,

    Remembering this made me turn to dust and blow away

    grrgyle,

    It’s a great title. Weird and evocative.

    QuantumBamboo,
    @QuantumBamboo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    If no one has heard of bombs then no one can know the title of the game, because otherwise they will see or hear the word bombs. But I’ve seen the title. Do I even know what a bomb is? I think I do… but do I? The paradox of the bomb knowledge will keep me up tonight.

    grrgyle,

    QuantumBomboo how did you become so wise

    EssentialCoffee,

    On skimming, I’d thought it had something to do with the kpop group, BTS. They have a song called Louder than Bombs.

    MargotRobbie, do games w Will Smith Zombie Game No One Has Heard Of Bombs
    @MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

    Celebrity endorsement has never been a factor in how well a videogame does either way, regardless of level of star power or degree of involvement for the celebrity: Keanu Reeves playing a heavy hand (heh) in the story of Cyberpunk 2077 did little to stop the game’s initial bad press, and the main reason Baldur’s Gate 3 did well isn’t because JK Simmons is playing Kethric Thorm. (still, he had a great performance). Gameplay matters a lot more for a videogame.

    It’s unsurprising then, that Oscar winning actor Will Smith’s involvement in a game in the oversaturated genre of zombie survival shooters did not become successful.

    Plus, I don’t think paying celebrities to promote videos on their YouTube channel is an effective marketing strategy, mainly because nobody really watches any celebrities’ own YouTube channel, with the exception of Jack Black’s gaming channel, of course.

    lud,

    Keanu Reeves really helped promote the game though.

    MargotRobbie,
    @MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, he did. But neither the main praise nor criticism of the game was not directed towards him but on the overall buginess and removal of RPG elements from the game.

    NoMoreCocaine,

    Ok, what rpg element was removed? I just played it (without dlc), and it’s basically first person witcher 3 in cyberpunk setting, including all the faults. Basically true to type with CDPR.

    MargotRobbie,
    @MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

    They advertisd heavily on “complex branching storyline” and “every decision will have consequences” so the expectation was at the minimum a bigger Deus Ex Human Revolution, but then what they actually delivered is a worse GTA 5 with neon lights.

    NoMoreCocaine,

    Right. But I just played it, and it has nothing to do with GTA. It’s literally witcher 3 in first person. Same level of branching, same slightly shallow rpg mechanics and shallow ish combat. It’s much more action, though and theoretically stealth is an option unlike witcher.

    Fenrisulfir,

    I mean look how many celebrities are in Squadron42/Star Citizen…

    webghost0101,

    I wouldn’t hold it against Keanu personally because its clear he really cared and did gave a good performance but i feel like his involvement with cyberpunk ruined a lot of things that could have been.

    MargotRobbie,
    @MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

    No one will hold it against him personally, it’s not uncommon.

    There are certain actors who performs great in every single movie they appear in, yet still have many of these movies flop. Many times, it’s out of the actor’s control.

    All we can do is our best.

    sheogorath,

    CDPR effectively rewrote the campaign after Keanu Reeves told them that he’s game if CDPR wants to record more lines. I still remember the E3 demo where CDPR said that the campaign has been completed and they’re just in the polishing stages.

    MrBusiness,

    Yup we got a mid main storyline when we could’ve had more Jackie.

    Hadriscus,

    I woulda liked that

    HawlSera,

    The whole “Origin System” that amounts to… literally nothing outside of some dialogue at the very begining

    Hadriscus,

    There are dialogue options all throughout the game (at least for streetkid)

    vaultdweller013,

    Also nomad has qoute a bit.

    HawlSera,

    JK Simmons is playing Kethric Thorm

    See I played Baldur’s Gate but I didn’t know that shit

    vaultdweller013,

    They gave him a full beard instead of a stache thats why you couldnt tell.

    Blackmist,

    Says a lot for the quality of voice acting in BG3 that it had Jason Isaacs and JK Simmons and I didn’t really notice either of them standing out.

    Although I did notice Gale in an episode of Good Omens.

    Crozekiel,

    I have nearly 1000 hours in Baldur’s Gate 3 and JUST NOW learned that Jason Isaacs was the voice of Gortash… I did recognize JK Simmons but honestly wasn’t 100% sure it was him until the second or third time meeting him and finally looking it up on IMDB to confirm (and somehow still missed Jason Isaacs - I did learn about Matt Mercer’s role as Minsc which still blows my mind).

    CaptKoala,

    Wasn’t aware there were celebrities other than Jack Black on YouTube… TIL

    Blackmist,

    Ron Livingstone’s YouTube channel had just one video on it for 8 years.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu0qtEwb9gE

    rocket_dragon,

    Russel Brand is now a far right Christian YouTuber.

    CaptKoala,

    Ew

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