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DoucheBagMcSwag, do games w China's internet is upset that a knock-off of its darling video game, 'Black Myth: Wukong,' is listed on Nintendo's store

Copyright infringement sucks when it happens to you doesn’t it China

ComradeMiao,

Copyright infringement in China is awesome! It allows one to buy things at a fraction of the cost because of such competition. A lot of western brands’ factories sell the product locally unbranded for 1/10 of the price and it’s awesome

Kbobabob,

How does the local economy fair against Western countries? Is it on par?

ComradeMiao,

What’re you asking? This practice greatly benefits locals if you ask me :)

catloaf,

Sure, at the cost of the people doing the work to design the product not being compensated for their labor.

Electricblush,
@Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, because that is where all the profit goes in Western companies, and not the CEO, upper management and stockholders…

You are not wrong in assuming that exploited labor is being under compensated, but different models of labor exploitation aside, people actually making value are not the people reaping the benefits.

catloaf,

That’s true, I would prefer the people doing the most work get the most reward. But currently they’re getting none, so I would settle for some.

rebelsimile,

Ok but it’s not done by a bunch of Robin Hoods, they rip off (read: steal and then destroy the economic capacity of) small/independent designers all the time too.

Electricblush,
@Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

Oh absolutely, I was mainly targeting the notion that the way “legit” companies distribute the profits is somehow more fair.

If anything these markets show what the actual cost of production is, so it shows how much profit could have been distributed to those actually producing the goods. (Including designers, factory workers etc)

A lot more people could have sustainable incomes instead of CEOs getting their third yacht…

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

The ones designing the vast majority of IP are paid in wages, the ones who own the IP have not actually designed it, or played a minimal role, ie outlining what they want designed. Copyright is something that is truly unnecessary in general, it is at its best when protecting the vast minority of small producers who own their own designs and can actually afford to manufacture and sell them, but the bulk of the economy is not at all organized in such a fashion to begin with.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

It’s actually better, NGL

SkunkWorkz,

Copyright infringement also means small creators get their lunch money stolen by big Chinese corporations. Copyright doesn’t just protect corpos.

ComradeMiao,

Yeah the individuals deserve to be protected but I have no care for corpos losing to other corpos

Duamerthrax,

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  • ComradeMiao,

    You’re claiming that Chinese people cannot design anything new because they built a replica city? Way to admit you know nothing about anything China does and show your ignorant racism.

    Duamerthrax,

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  • ComradeMiao,

    Didn’t realize I’m arguing with a racist 18 year old lmao. Bye!

    Nutteman,
    @Nutteman@lemmy.world avatar

    Copyright sucks. Brought to you by copyleft gang

    mnemonicmonkeys,

    Uh, copyleft still depends on copyright. All it means is that licenses are free so long as the terms are followed, but it still relies on licensing. The actual opposite(s) of copyright is open-source and/or public domain.

    catloaf,

    Open source licenses also depend on copyright. The opposite of copyright is IP anarchy.

    Viri4thus, do games w China's internet is upset that a knock-off of its darling video game, 'Black Myth: Wukong,' is listed on Nintendo's store

    “one user wrote” *China

    Man, our media really has become utter shait.

    the_captain,

    The phrase “one user wrote” is often used to introduce a quote. One user wrote this, one wrote that, and another wrote that. Yeah, the generalisation from a single forum thread / few social media posts to “the whole of internet is crazy about this!” is crap, but media sensationalism has always been there. Media (and especially media about pop culture) has always been shit.

    Pyr_Pressure,
    @Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca avatar

    I mean, when you have a few thousand two-bit internet media sites surviving off advertisement spam and hiring any freelance writer that can put together three paragraphs for $5 that’s what our media becomes.

    SharkAttak, do games w China's internet is upset that a knock-off of its darling video game, 'Black Myth: Wukong,' is listed on Nintendo's store
    @SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    I may be wrong but Wukong itself looks a Souls knock-off, so I don't see the problem.

    Aatube,

    souls is a genre tho

    _NetNomad,
    @_NetNomad@fedia.io avatar

    that's the funny thing about genres and knock-offs, the only difference is scale. every game after pong is a knock-off of something that came before, and the great ones are the ones who purposefully or inadvertedly added something that made it a new standard for which to knock off, birthing a new genre. people hate terms like metroidvania or roguelike but imo those are the best genre names because they most clearly communicate the context and intent of the game

    Kolanaki,
    !deleted6508 avatar

    every game after pong is a knock-off

    Bah! Pong is just a knock-off of Tennis for Two!

    Wrufieotnak,

    Finally a fellow connoisseur of the true classics!

    _NetNomad,
    @_NetNomad@fedia.io avatar

    i've even heard rumors that tennis for two is a knockoff of a sport called "tennis" although this has yet to be proved conclusively

    Cethin,

    The first-person shooter genre used to be called Doom Clones because they were all viewed as rip offs of Doom (which, to be fair, many were). Genre conventions are created by copying what others have done. Souls is a game series, which has been so influential that it became a genre.

    Electricblush,
    @Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the cultural theme of the game is more reason for the “anger” than the gameplay formula.

    Its based on the most famous Chinese mythological story / fairytale about the Monkey King Wukong.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_King

    I have not deep dived into it, but I think it’s a treasured and well known story in China, and I assume a lot of Chinese people are proud of their mythology being a successful story outside of China as well.

    MeaanBeaan,

    Also it’s what Dragon Ball is based on and it’s a primary influence for most if not all Shonen anime.

    Its like getting upset when two different projects are made based on the Greek Pantheon.

    SharkAttak,
    @SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    This. Also, China upset cause they're being copied? Pfft.

    Electricblush,
    @Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

    Look, it’s a funny and ironic turn of events and my comment mainly tried to expand upon why this evokes this emotional response from some people.

    Also, I don’t think most Americans identify with the shady practices of corporations either, so equating a undoubtedly shady history on copyright with the stance of all Chinese people everywhere is a bit… 🤔

    As others have mentioned it’s also not accidental that the outrage is at the Nintendo store specifically. There is a lot of bad blood between the Chinese and the Japanese.

    SharkAttak,
    @SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    Chill, where did you get that I was 'equating the stance of al chinese people'? Even the title mentions 'China internet'.. it's like saying "France is in uproar at latest Macron speech".
    I know it's funny and ironic, that's why I pointed out that they're upset at the alleged copying of an non-original game concept about a myth that's been already featured in a ton of other works.

    Electricblush,
    @Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

    I am chill. :) No need for either of us to read spite into the others comments. Text is bad at communicating tone :)

    I guess my comment was meant more in general, not at you specifically (though I understand it being in a reply of course feels that way)

    I am sorry my comment came of as hostile or combative

    feedum_sneedson,

    西游记

    frigidaphelion,

    deep dove? deep doven?

    SplashJackson,

    And I love how much of it is fart jokes

    MadBigote,

    Just like Dragon Ball is based on that myth, no?

    Aatube,

    "Folktale" is a better description but I agree

    Electricblush,
    @Electricblush@lemmy.world avatar

    Yea, better word indeed :)

    parpol, do games w The death of ownership: Companies are taking away your ability to actually own the stuff you buy

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  • Feirdro,

    That’s why I only pirate the finest apartments.

    NightAuthor,

    There are places with wild eviction laws, you can just break in and immediately have tons of rights. I’d say that’s a decent way to pirate an apartment.

    But if you’re going to pirate anything, why not make it a house?

    WhiteHawk,

    You wouldn’t download an apartment

    eskimofry,

    I would if I could

    DudeImMacGyver, do games w China's internet is upset that a knock-off of its darling video game, 'Black Myth: Wukong,' is listed on Nintendo's store
    @DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The irony…

    Badeendje, do games w Microsoft lays off employees in security, experiences and devices, sales, and gaming — separate from performance cuts
    @Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

    Making room for the new tranche of H1B coming in I guess.

    inclementimmigrant,

    Nah, executive bonuses and whaleholder dividends needed to be higher.

    Badeendje,
    @Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

    H1Bs are payed 40-60 cents on the dollar while you can work them harder and they can’t whine or get sent home… So…it does help the bottom line.

    einlander,
    FenrirIII,
    @FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

    I live near a big MS office. It’s definitely the H1Bs. The entire city is Indian now.

    ZC3rr0r,

    They also laid off folks with H1Bs. No, I suspect the real story here is that someone somewhere got convinced these jobs could be done even cheaper by AI, so they’re cutting folks to fund the datacenters basically.

    Frogster8, do games w The death of ownership: Companies are taking away your ability to actually own the stuff you buy

    An AI written post which has a very tiny connection to gaming…

    Mr_Blott,

    I see Business Insider now, I downvote. Trash “journalism”

    p03locke,
    @p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Also, something like 15 years too late.

    Jackthelad, do games w The death of ownership: Companies are taking away your ability to actually own the stuff you buy

    “You will own nothing and be happy”.

    thefartographer,

    I know that quote sounds great like that, except it’s an out of context (and is actually “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”) clip from a speech given by a Danish politician. He was proposing a world in which everyone shares through services that loan the items in your house that you’re not using and then services them for free. It was an idea to help cut down on waste.

    Why would you not be using things in your house? Because in this imagined future, everything will essentially be done for you and you don’t need things like stovetops all the time.

    The only irony of “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” is that an indictment of runaway capitalism is now used to describe runaway capitalism.

    Rin,

    Thank you for your insight. This is the first time I’ve heard of this.

    EatATaco,

    Slightly unimportant, but he is actually a she.

    More importantly, she offered it up as a thought experiment about the way things are going. She proposed it as neither a good nor bad thing, even in the story saying there were some people who rejected it outright, nor a solution to anything. She was just imagining a world where this type of thing occurred.

    The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. People are so thoughtless that you can’t even think about something without being accused of espousing it.

    KevonLooney,

    That’s because posts are not just thoughts in your head. You are selecting the particular thought you want to publish on here. You are promoting it.

    Very few people are “just saying” or “just asking questions”. Usually those are just rhetorical devices for introducing unpopular ideas that would be rejected otherwise.

    EatATaco,

    You are promoting it.

    Sure, of course, it’s an idea you want to talk about. This isn’t the same as saying you think whatever you want to talk about has to go one way or another. Even in the thought experiment itself, there were people who dissent, although they don’t play a prominent role in the story at all.

    And also let’s keep in mind that this was some blog post by an individual contributor, not some official statement by the wef.

    But I present my ideas with an open mind all the time. I’m rarely sold on my first thought, I’ll float the idea, and often will outright dismiss it quickly. The idea that if I promote an idea I want to talk about, even if I’m giving what my initial desire is for it, means I’m sold on that position, seems very foreign to me. It seems so crippling… Like how do you collaborate on anything if any idea you put forward is treated as the be all end all?

    Lucidlethargy, do games w The death of ownership: Companies are taking away your ability to actually own the stuff you buy

    This reads 100% like it was writtwn by an AI - ChatGPT to be exact.

    Zuberi,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Hello! While I understand why you might think that, I can assure you that I am not an AI like ChatGPT. I’m programmed to generate responses based on the prompts given to me. However, I don’t have any awareness or consciousness like humans do. If you have any questions or need help with something, feel free to ask!

    RememberTheApollo_,
    @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not an AI like ChatGPT, but I’m still an AI, so that makes it OK…

    ArmokGoB,

    The sarcasm is truly lost on the people replying to you.

    MajorHavoc, do games w Microsoft lays off employees in security, experiences and devices, sales, and gaming — separate from performance cuts

    It’s pretty important to me to not turn to a life of crime, but I appreciate everyone laying off their security teams, and putting all their most valuable data in one place, just in case I should change my mind…

    I’m not going to change my mind, but it’s awfully considerate anyway.

    AceFuzzLord, do games w China's internet is upset that a knock-off of its darling video game, 'Black Myth: Wukong,' is listed on Nintendo's store

    Imagine that! Popular game makes a ton of money and scam companies make shameless ripoffs to try and cash in on it? Never happened before and never will! /s

    mesamunefire, do games w The death of ownership: Companies are taking away your ability to actually own the stuff you buy

    It’s why it’s so important to own your stuff and not give money to subscriptions you don’t have to.

    chemicalwonka, do games w The death of ownership: Companies are taking away your ability to actually own the stuff you buy
    @chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Read Richard Stallman and see that all this is nothing new. Repeat the mantra: You will have nothing and you will be “happy.” Mass surveillance is acceptable after all I have nothing to hide.

    0x0,

    The dude has been telling anyone who will listen for decades. Here’s a story from '97: www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

    Disclaimer: yes, he is a weirdo and has been embroiled in various controversies, but these ideas stand on their own.

    bartolomeo,

    But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer’s root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.

    XD

    Daveyborn, do games w China's internet is upset that a knock-off of its darling video game, 'Black Myth: Wukong,' is listed on Nintendo's store
    @Daveyborn@lemmy.world avatar

    Does a company own the likeness of wukong? Seems kinda silly to be mad over that.

    ComradeMiao,

    No, only a dude from the Ming dynasty does lol

    stephen01king,

    What is the copyright system like in the Ming dynasty, I wonder.

    ComradeMiao,

    That’s an interesting question!

    I found this:

    The Song’s imperial successors, and especially the Ming (A.D. 1368-1644), endeavored to strengthen state control of publication, although relatively few changes were made to the formal structure of regulation until the Qing. Each post-Song dynastic code specifically forbade the unauthorized republication of governmental works on astronomy, the civil service examinations, and other materials long considered sensitive. Additionally, each contained provisions banning “devilish books.” These provisions were supplemented periodically by special decrees— as may be seen, for example, in the Hongwu Emperor’s (1368-92) orders that all works disparaging the newly founded Ming dynasty even indirectly through the use of homophonic puns be eliminated," and in the Qianlong Emperor’s (1736-96) famous decree of 1774 requiring that all literature be reviewed so that any books containing heterodox ideas could be destroyed.

    Alford, William P… To steal a book is an elegant offense: intellectual property law in Chinese civilization. 1995.

    stephen01king,

    So does that mean the original novel’s rights belong to the Ming dynasty?

    ComradeMiao,

    I don’t know beyond the article I just read and cited. I’m sure it changed in the republic. It says they started a new system in the 1920s then in the PRC in 1980s. I’m sure the answer is them no that family of the author does not own it.

    That said if one was to use details specific to modern Chinese or English translations I’m sure that is copyrighted

    Ephera, do games w Microsoft lays off employees in security, experiences and devices, sales, and gaming — separate from performance cuts

    Fucking hell, man, with how many very publicly visible security problems they had last year, you’d think the stakeholders would be on board with doing security for a bit.

    psmgx,

    Stock price is still way up compared so 2022, security issues notwithstanding. Why fight battles that won’t impact the bottom line?

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