Sometimes you think you say the right thing, but you didn’t, and you’ll have to live with the consequences. This is a major part of the Witcher games, that your actions have possibly unforeseen consequences that you’ll have to live with.
Accept that Triss has made her choice. If you don’t want to be with Yen, then don’t be with anyone, that’s completely fine.
It means that the publisher needs to provide the player with the server executable, which is a one time expense for them to prepare, rather than continually paying for humans and machines to keep a server running on their end.
What the petition is strictly asking for is to leave the game playable. If that means the game requires multiplayer, then there should be some way to play multiplayer without the server on the other end. I’d certainly prefer that they just make the server executable available. I personally don’t care what the architecture is. People have gotten pirate MMO servers running. Even if it’s something the layman won’t know how to do, we need to have the option to run the server ourselves.
Many games have mixed experiences, some multiplayer, some single player. Take COD, for example, it has a SP campaign, but most people play it for the MP experience. if they disable the MP experience, the game is technically playable since the SP campaign still exists.
This petition seems to focus on “phoning home”:
An increasing number of publishers are selling videogames that are required to connect through the internet to the game publisher, or “phone home” to function. While this is not a problem in itself, when support ends for these types of games, very often publishers simply sever the connection necessary for the game to function, proceed to destroy all working copies of the game, and implement extensive measures to prevent the customer from repairing the game in any way.
This sounds very much like it’s focusing on preserving the SP experience and forcing publishers to remove any artificial limitations on that experience once they stop supporting the game. Nothing in the petition sounds like it’s talking about multiplayer functions.
Here’s the part about being “playable”:
The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
So they’re explicitly not asking for the publishers to provide anything new (i.e. the game server), it’s only asking for limitations to be removed (i.e. phoning home).
This is still an important petition, but it doesn’t seem to say what you’re arguing it’s saying.
In a game like an MMO or most free to play games, multiplayer is all that exists. The game as it exists on your computer doesn’t even have everything that it needs to function. It’s asking for the game to continue functioning. As for CoD, the petition is not allowed to be prescriptive, so it would be to the government to determine specifically what must happen. In most cases, the shortest path to honoring what this petition asks for is to provide the server code, but I agree that plenty of games make that distinction very blurry.
Right, but the petition explicitly says it’s not expecting any additional resources.
neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it
If that was the intent, the petition should have been more clear, saying it expects any resources not part of the downloaded game but necessary for the full experience to be made available once the game is discontinued, perhaps specifically calling out server code.
If this turns into a bill, I fully expect online content to be excluded since that would require more than just removing the “phone home” bit of games.
Once they discontinue it, they dust their hands clean and their work here is done. That’s all that means. Releasing whatever they have to do to allow it to continue to operate is up to and including the moment that it’s supported. Discontinuing support and leaving people with something they can’t play is what the petition is asking to fix. If they did the work to make The Crew playable after the server was shut down, then they are still not providing any additional resources once they discontinue it; that work would have been done in advance. Once again, the petition can’t ask for how they’d like the problem to be legally solved or how the government should define the rules. In the video that typically comes attached to this with a more verbose problem statement and what we should expect as consumers, you can buy a digital horse, but turning the game off removes your ability to access the horse you paid for, so it’s asking to retain the ability to use everything you bought. That’s more than just a phone home if your game client doesn’t contain the multiplayer mode where you would use the horse (or CoD mulitplayer skin).
I’m not in the EU, so I’m really not familiar with this process, and I’m guessing a number of EU citizens also aren’t familiar. If there’s any related information, it would be good to link it.
Pardon me. That’s an assumption on my part that the people in this community are the types that are so ingrained in this stuff that you’ve seen that video, and a link to this petition, a dozen times at this point. This is a campaign organized by Ross Scott at Accursed Farms. The main video pitch is here, and the super short version is here. And here’s the video that came along with the launch of the EU petition.
Awesome, thanks! This is literally the first time I’ve seen this petition, so I appreciate the extra info. I also wasn’t sure if it was part of Stop Killing Games or a separate initiative (looks like it’s at the 26min mark of the first video).
I’m in the US (looks like Ross Scott is too?) so I obviously can’t sign it, but I am very much interested on the outcome since it’ll likely impact me. If it’s strictly limited to SP games, that’s a lot less interesting since that can easily be region locked (so it would just be the same as piracy for me), but if it also forces release of server code, then I’m getting something I couldn’t before.
For US people, there’s still hope. It looks like Louis Rossmann is pissed off about this as well, but from a regular software perspective (Odyssee and YouTube), so he might try something similar to what he did with Right to Repair. He has a bit wider reach and probably a very different audience, and maybe he can help get something going in the US.
Thanks for the links, I’ll see what I can do to spread the word.
I don’t really follow Ross Scott outside of this campaign, but I believe he’s a US citizen married to a Polish woman, living in Poland. It sounds like it would take an act of Congress to change things here in the US. My e-mails to my representatives have gone functionally unanswered, which doesn’t mean it isn’t worth trying.
Yes, but it can start at the state legislature, which is a lot easier. But you need a lobbying campaign to get anywhere. Louis Rossmann has made some progress this way by banding together with farmers, and while it’s painful and expensive, it does work.
So if we’re going to do something in the US, we need a lobbiest, a lawyer (to draft a bill), and a lot of people to show up and give testimony. But we only need to win in one state, and then it gets a lot easier. So:
Pick a state with good consumer protections and a market segment that’s somewhat rated to what you want (video games probably won’t work, but other software could)
Work with pissed off companies to put together a lobby
Find a few reps that care (e.g. the reps for those companies’ districts), and get them to sponsor your bill
Appeal to regular people saying this is a stepping stone to what they actually want
Get people to annoy their reps, show up to hearings, etc in support of the bill
Get the bill to the floor (crazy amount of effort)
If the bill passes, start the process over in the next state, which should go smoother
Once you have legal precedent, repeat the process with a small expansion to the thing you actually care about. This should be a lot easier, because you’re just expanding the same rights to more types of customers.
It’s much more of a long shot, but it does seem possible.
The whole triss vs yen thing was lazy fanservice added by CDPR. If you read the books, it’s clear Geralt is destined to be with Yen. The books make this abundantly clear. It also makes it crystal clear that Geralt thinks of Triss like a little sister, not romantically. There was absolutely no reason to have that in the book. It’s straight up stupid fanservice and made the game into kind of a meme in my opinion.
I really don’t care about the book. If anything his relationship with Yen feels like pondering to the book audience without much of a setup or explanation in-game
I mean… The game has numerous book references. It expects you to have read then. Half the characters and references are from the books. So not sure why it’s the yen part that specifically bugs you :-)
As far as I understand the games aren’t book cannon right? Then let the books not be game cannon. It is unreasonable for the books to be required reading between witcher 2 and 3 or even to expect the audience to know to read them.
A never before seen character from the books showing up in the game doesn’t bother me because they’re new and they’re explored as if they’re new characters. Yen bugs me because she’s a new character to me but as soon as they meet in Skelliga, her and Geralt get back together as if nothing has changed since the books. On the other hand Triss is an established character who has a history with Geralt that I know of, but now both are giving each other the cold shoulder without explanation.
In terms of Triss and Yen the books don’t give context to the status quo. They become the status quo.
The books are canon for the games, yes. The games are not canon. Idk what else to say. I played W2 and 3 originally without having read the books. It didn’t seem weird in W3 because W2 was spent looking for her the entire game. And it gave clues about their history. After having read the books W3 makes even more sense since I understood more about the characters. There is nothing unreasonable about how they did that game. The game is totally fine without having read the books. But I am telling you that it makes more sense if you did.
Witcher 2 was spent looking for Triss not Yennefer.
The books are canon for the games, yes
And I said maybe they shouldn’t be because warping the game story to fit the books is what I’m complaining about in the first place.
If you were fine with how w3 handled Yen before reading the books good for you. But it was not at all clear for me and that’s all I said. Sorry for being brash but it is obnoxious to then get comments preaching about how Yennefer is objectively right for Geralt and Triss is just fan service and the game itself favoring Yen would make sense if only I were to read the books
Witcher 2. The game. Assasins of kings. Letho captures Triss at the end of act 1 to get away and Geralt can recue her on act 3. Yennefer is only ever mentioned in name. Please look things up before condescending
Bruh yennefer is mentioned multiple times. You’re also looking for her. What I’m saying is not wrong. I’m gonna stop responding to you because you seem to clearly have no desire to engage in good faith conversation. I was not being condescending . You’re clearly looking to pick a fight. Goodbye.
The half price games on various platforms (“Platinum” on playstation, can’t remember what they were called in other platforms) were great and made me get into consoles.
Feels like the PS4 gen when that stopped happening. Shame, because it’s not like you can magic your customers into having more money to spend. They’ll just buy fewer games.
That’s a bit reductive. Perhaps plenty care but don’t know to even look for this thing to sign, or are too young to know how games used to be made, or didn’t get the message about this petition in their own language. 1M signatures is an absurdly high threshold to clear; that’s one out of every 450 people in the EU.
I think that reframing it in the context of consumer protection for digital planned obsolescence might benefit this campaign. Ultimately, this is bigger than games and I think it could benefit from a broader appeal
And it’s something that only applies to a fairly small subset of people. If we look at Steam users (decent indicator of people passionate about games), Germany has the highest in the EU at 3.6M. 3.6M is ~4.3% of the German population, so if we extrapolate to the EU, that’s ~19M Steam users.
If we assume that’s an accurate measurement of people who would be interested in this petition, you’d need 1/20 of them to sign. I’m not in the EU, so I don’t know how popular these petitions are or what the requirements are (do you need to be voting age?), but if I assume a lot of people who play games are young, and that young people tend to be fairly uninterested in politics, getting 1M signatures would be incredibly difficult even if it’s something that all games agree with (and I would imagine most would care about this at some level).
So yeah, getting >400k signatures for something like this sounds like amazing success.
Yeah, under 50% of the required signatures and it’s just a few weeks from expiring, there’s no chance this will succeed unless some big-name influencer gathers support for the petition, which at this point I doubt will happen.
It made some people talk about the problem, though. That’s a step in the right direction.
Something like legally required to offer a no-DRM version on all storefronts would be interesting. I don’t care about physical media much anymore but I do want to own what I buy.
Don’t just put things down; put them away. I have to remind myself each time, but it really helps to keep clutter off the table or desk.
Another: when I sit down at my desk, I do a quick scan of everything and assess what I won’t need, or haven’t needed the past few days, and remove it. (Anything decorative is obviously exempt.) Again, I’m not perfect about it – there’s an old scribble pad with no blank pages that for some reason I can’t bring myself to throw out even though I haven’t opened it in over half a year.
To add to what the others say, I would also add a reasonably sized bin and bin bags within arm’s reach. Though you’d still have to remember to take that shit out as well.
Two tips, worked for me, your mileage may vary: Do it little by little. I joined a “Clean the Goblin Horde challenge” which looked a bit like this: Every day:
choose a spot, clean it for 10 min. Just take whatever is lying around on the spot, find a new place for it or throw it away. If nothing is lying around on that spot, use a brush to clean up dust, then wipe with something wet, then dry it.
Clean up the kitchen. Wash your dirty dishes, put away food containers.
for God’s sake, open your windows. Just create a draft for 5 min, then close them.
Every 3 days: Wipe down your bathroom sink and your toilet. Takes 5 min and prevents it from getting really nasty.
Every 6 days: Do a quick round of vacuuming the main living rooms.
Once a month: Change your bedsheets. Trust me.
Do things in between doing something bigger. I don’t know what you do for a living, but when you come home and watch a show or smth, get up between episodes or vids, and pick up clothes for like 5 mins and then get back to your leisure activities.
Bonus: reward yourself. You’ve cleaned something up, good for you, do something you like.
Never waste a trip; if you take something to one side of the house to put it away, pick up something on the way back that goes where you started. Rinse, repeat.
Look, if it plays as good or better than the original without the Skyrim enshitification then I don’t carer how it looks. If it plays like Skyrim though, I’ll hate it even more.
Oblivion is hugely over saturated. The game feels perfect for that in some areas and like a kids story book in others.
The people commenting the generic “now it’s brown and dull” are just lame. Its just hating to hate really.
Personally, Oblivion is 10x than skyrim even if the game looked like fucking Morrowind I would play it. It is like people on Lemmy have to purposefully hate on something popular so they feel different than the “Normies.”
The game could use a graphical overhaul and the bloom and over saturation hurt my damn eyes in a recent play through. So please tone it down and make it feel more realistic.
Also, lol, the image for comparison is just subjective bullshit bias. It purposefully makes a comparison to make the remaster feel boring. People were all over this style when Skyrim released.
Much like my opinion people don’t have to agree and if you like the way Oblivion looks now versus the graphical overhaul in the leaked screenshot well then the good news is you can still play the original Oblivion. I know, complete shocker.
The point I am trying to make is that Lemmy sometimes feels like the “I am not like other girls” version of Reddit. You guys hate shit just as much as Reddit but in a weirder “I am different so my opinion is better.” Reminds me of a post I saw on here where some guy raved for 4 paragraphs about why he didn’t think the new Deadpool was funny but that his opinion wasn’t like others that didn’t like the new Deadpool because his was more refined and over all carried sophistication I’m his criticism. When in the end all he was saying was, “it wasn’t my kind of humor.” That is Lemmy.
Just say you don’t like something and move the fuck on. Personally, Oblivion is peak Elderscrolls for me. This remaster looks fucking fantastic and I am going go play the fuck out of it. Have a nice day.
The people commenting the generic “now it’s brown and dull” are just lame. Its just hating to hate really.
Or they simply have fond memories of the graphical style of Oblivion, and are disappointed that it’s now more “realistic”? I don’t want realistic, I want Oblivion. It’s a fucking fantasy game.
People were all over this style when Skyrim released.
Sure, but we’re not in 2011, so why change the graphical style to fit opinions of that time?
Much like my opinion people don’t have to agree and if you like the way Oblivion looks now versus the graphical overhaul in the leaked screenshot well then the good news is you can still play the original Oblivion. I know, complete shocker.
I would love to play a remastered version that keeps the distinct graphical style I fondly remember. I know, a complete shocker.
Just say you don’t like something and move the fuck on.
I did, and you really didn’t like me saying that! I like Oblivion, I really like the graphical style. I don’t like that they are removing the graphical style and making it look like any generic action RPG. If you don’t like my comment, maybe move the fuck on?
Or they simply have fond memories of the graphical style of Oblivion, and are disappointed that it’s now more “realistic”? I don’t want realistic, I want Oblivion. It’s a fucking fantasy game.
We have reshades problem solved. Not all fantasy games have to be overly saturated but hey look the remaster is great and you have options.
People were all over this style when Skyrim released.
Lol, why does it have to fit the original style of Oblivion. Stupid fucking argument.
I would love to play a remastered version that keeps the distinct graphical style I fondly remember. I know, a complete shocker.
Not a shocker? Just fucking do so? I don’t mind a change in style because the game doesn’t change. Also, stupid argument.
I did and you really didn’t like me saying that! I like Oblivion, I really like the graphical style. I don’t like that they are removing the graphical style and making it look like any generic action RPG. If you don’t like my comment, maybe move the fuck on?
Your comment was pretentious and so here we are on the internet using it as intended.
We have reshades problem solved. Not all fantasy games have to be overly saturated but hey look the remaster is great and you have options.
Can you link a reshade that restores the look of the original? It will be hard to do with a reshade, since the actual textures have changed - they didn’t just turn down the saturation.
Lol, why does it have to fit the original style of Oblivion. Stupid fucking argument.
Why does a remaster of Oblivion have to fit the art style of Oblivion? Stupid fucking question. Seriously, did you even think for a second?
Not a shocker? Just fucking do so? I don’t mind a change in style because the game doesn’t change. Also, stupid argument.
Wow, what incredible arguments you bring up.
Your comment was pretentious and so here we are on the internet using it as intended.
Yeah, incredibly pretentious to share my opinion. I’m sorry your highness, it shan’t happen again towards you, as I’m tired of your stupid fucking arguments, questions and thoughts.
I will say, all that aside, there’s one thing I hated about oblivion. The FUCKING OBLIVION GATES, ugh so tedious, when I first learned there was mods I think the first one I downloaded was one that let you skip them for my next playthrough, but I would love to see if they somehow make them less grindy in this one
Honestly all this game needs for a 10 out of 10 from me is to be able to take the annoying fan to Dive Rock, cast paralysis on him and give him a little nudge.
With all that brown it’s as if they accidentally took the Fallout 3 colour palette instead of Oblivion’s. Doing a replay now and (Pip) boy, I forgot how bland the Capital Wasteland looks before you get used to it.
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