Linux preinstalled is going to remove a lot of candidates. If you relax your requirements to include known setups/components that work well with Linux then that would help expand your options. The amount that Microsoft gets from the preinstalled license is likely negligible.
The only reason I’m asking linux is I don’t want my money taken by microsoft. I believe most laptop like dell would work with linux well enough. If I’m good with windows preinstalled, which laptop would have the highest ratio of quality / price?
I’m choosing now between Framework laptop and System76 laptop. Both seems great, but System76 laptop seems to have a better quality judging by the looks of it?
I went with a Framework 16 and upped it to 48gb ram with the graphics extension. That thing is a powerhouse. I didn’t get it for gaming, but for design work. Still, it can play anything out now on the highest settings and is fully modular so I’m planning to be buried with this thing.
ETA: I also went the Linux route and don’t have any regrets.
The System76 Pangolin has an AMD APU that's pretty powerful. I have the Ryzen7 model, but the newer ones are Ryzen9. Comes pre-installed with Pop_OS!, but they also provide firmware packages for Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, and NixOS. I've also tested Nobara and Bazzite on it with good results.
I can play pretty much any game, as long as it runs in Proton normally, with very little FPS issues. Only games that chug are poorly optimized to begin with, but usually dropping the res to 1600x900 with FSR on will fix most issues.
Also, "most economical" is tough these days with the tariffs and all. I got my Pangolin for $1000 shipped, then a few months later the tariffs hit and the price rose to $1500 before shipping.
The System76 Pangolin has an AMD APU that’s pretty powerful. I have the Ryzen7 model, but the newer ones are Ryzen9. Comes pre-installed with Pop_OS!, but they also provide firmware packages for Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, and NixOS. I’ve also tested Nobara and Bazzite on it with good results.
Thank you I will check it now
Also, “most economical” is tough these days with the tariffs and all. I got my Pangolin for $1000 shipped, then a few months later the tariffs hit and the price rose to $1500 before shipping.
By most economical I actually meant value-for-money option (original retail price) I have edited my post.
I just saw your other comment where you mention wanting to play CyberPunk 2077. FWIW, it runs great on my Ryzen7 model almost highest settings, so I'm sure it won't have any issues on the Ryzen9.
I just saw your other comment where you mention wanting to play CyberPunk 2077. FWIW, it runs great on my Ryzen7 model almost highest settings, so I’m sure it won’t have any issues on the Ryzen9.
Does it support dual-booting Windows and Pop!_OS? I might still need Windows for a few games. How hard is it to install Windows and steam and run games properly on this laptop? Is it basically just using Rufus and clicking through the install? thank you very much!
I'll never touch Windows again, and stopped using it over a decade ago. I unfortunately don't have any experience related to this laptop, but when it comes to dual-booting other OS's it's no different than any other machine. I can't imagine it would have issues with Windows, and System76 has some info on installing Windows
I don't have to do anything special to run games, though. I pirate a lot, and play legit Steam games as well. Only issues I run into are related to anti-cheat, but that's nothing new for Linux gaming. Once you're in Windows, it likely won't be any different than using Windows on another machine.
You probably don’t, unless it’s for multiplayer anti-cheat. I don’t think I’ve had any significant issues with Linux gaming in 6+months. Basically everything just works now, Cyberpunk very much included.
Not a guarantee of course, but in my experience it’s pretty awesome and I don’t miss Windows at all. Dual-booting for a year was silly and overly paranoid, in actuality I ignored the Windows partition almost entirely.
Even that amount of interaction can be exhausting/taxing after a while. Hell, even passively observing hateful remarks, even if you never respond to them (which, generally, you shouldn’t. Don’t feed the trolls) is emotionally exhausting. My recommendation is to just curate your community. Make a private space wherever you want, invite your friends and the most positive fans (people who you would like to be friends with perhaps) and that’s it, close the door. YOU decide who gets to come into your house and speak to you.
Damn all the negative bullshit is a real shame. I shared the info about this ROM hack with extra veracity in my circles in response to that, and now 3 new people who love being represented by those cool flags are happily trying it out. I’ll try myself later in the week, it looks really cool. Thanks for sharing it here.
I have just finished leveling up druid to 80 on my AzerothCore single-player modded server. Was a fun ride. Never played druid before. Wanna do other classes that I never played such as: hunter, rouge, warrior, shaman, DK. But that is much later.
Yesterday jumped back in Psychonauts 2. I’ve already finished this game 4 times to 100%. This is my 5th 100% run and only yesterday I went though 1/3 of the game collecting as much stuff as I could and listening to all dialogues as I can. Fun game! Also, impressed how it runs 80-144fps 1080p max settings on Bazzite. My hardware is not the greatest but somehow it seems Bazzite runs it better than Windows.
I just started solo playing Toon Town Rewritten this weekend. Not a big social person, but still love the fighting cogs and mini games. Don’t remember how long I even played it back in the day, but I’m giving it a shot and nkt regretting it so far.
Maze Mice and Slay The Spire are just about the only other games I’ve been really focusing on outside of PvZ Reflourished on my phone.
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