If you’re liking the feeling of solving a mystery with no handholding, give Shadows of Doubt a look. 1920s detective noir set in an alt-history retro cyberpunk 1970s where the Coca-Cola corporation is the president of the USA. Yeah, that’s a mouthful, but what you get is a proper hard-boiled detective story where you are in total control of how you pursue every case. The game gives you an honest to God murder board with string and sticky notes. There’s no “detective mode” bullshit where you scan for clues and then the game solves the mystery for you. It’s completely on you to find the evidence, follow leads, canvas witnesses, scrub through security footage, stake out a suspect’s apartment or place of work, and finally make an arrest (and hope like hell you didn’t finger the wrong person). This all plays out in a fully simulated city district. Every room in every building can be entered. Every NPC has a complete life; a partner (maybe), a home (usually), a job, a medical history, a shoe size, fingerprints, the works.
The voxel graphics aren’t for everyone, and there’s some areas where it’s less complete than others, but those only really stand out because of how shockingly complete the world is in so many other ways. All in all, it’s a brilliant game, and like nothing else out there.
I love the concept but honestly I can’t solve shit. I even got a side mission once to take a picture of a vague description of a person who lived on the 4th floor of an apartment. Thankfully there was only one apartment on that floor. Unfortunately there were two people who lived there. And neither matches any of the descriptors.
And that’s the side jobs. Murder? Forget about it, I got no clue.
Yeah, hit up YouTube, look for tutorials. There are some great guides to things you really should know (the game’s tutorial is minimal at best) and handy tips for crime solving. Some of this stuff you can figure out in game with some intuitive leaps, like looking for security footage, or checking sales ledgers in stores to find out who bought a murder weapon. Other stuff is a little more obscure.
The game is still early access (or only just recently left it) so you also probably ran into some bugs. There are/were some missions that just spawned wrong and couldn’t be completed.
I’ve tried it, but couldn’t really get into it. Didn’t feel like there was much deduction, but more just evidence collecting. However I didn’t play for too long and I’m planning to try again. I assume it takes same time to get invested
I am not sure how handholdey it might seem to you, but Danganronpa 1-3 were pretty good at keeping me guessing what would happen next, but it is also good at giving the player the illusion of actually solving what was happening themselves. V3 was both the best and worst in this regard IMO. There are very few times where something is obvious or very easy, and likewise few times where a huge leap in logic is made or something is very obtuse/hard to know.
If you haven’t tried them, maybe look intonthem to see if you’d like them?
I remember distinctly Danganronpa’s problem with shock value.
I finished the first case of the third game, and thought “Wow! That was incredible! I hadn’t anticipated that ending at all!”
And then, once the dust on the case had settled, because of the effects of that change in circumstance, I had no interest in playing the rest of the game.
That’s unfortunate. But I suppose not every game is made for every person to enjoy. The first was a game of its time, and the rest followed the first.
Maybe you might like Master Detective Archives RAIN CODE a bit better, since it has some elements of similar gameplay, but also has, perhaps less “shock value” than when the dust settles on cases in Danganronpa.
EDIT: I didn’t see you were talking about V3. Yeah, lots of people don’t like V3 for various reasons. I wasn’t a fan of the end of the first case either, but I still played through and it was okay, but then the ending I just didn’t like at all.
Not a puzzle game, but Noita throws you right in without any explanation or tutorial. Everything is trial and error to the point where people complain that you can’t figure things out without the wiki. Love the game though, one of the most unique games I know.
The Souls games never really held your hand either.
Hollow Knight, The Binding of Isaac and Elite Dangerous are other games I can think of that want you to figure things out.
Man. I’ve been staring at this box trying to find the words for why you should play Pathologic 2. It’s hard, especially without spoiling anything. It is a game about a surgeon named artemy burakh who is tasked by fate to save a town from a plague. It is as if Russian Literature grew legs and used them to kick you in the dick. It is emotionaly a lot. It is skillfully a lot. It is mentally a lot and you are on a time limit and it is not fair. But it has a message for you. There is a beauty to that message and if I could I would force every person on this planet to experience it.
But you will have to bleed for it. Please play it.
Just Incase it could make you reconsider, the game is disturbing in a myriad of ways, basically designed to touch deeply any person who engaged with it. It should be thought of less as a game ment to be enjoyable and more like art that you “should” experience. Though I understand it isn’t for everyone. Hell, vast majority of people who think it is for them dont finish the first day of the game. But there is a message in that game worth seeing. Either way, I had to try one more time. I respect your decision either way.
Those are totally valid point and I thank you for making them. I need to see whether parts of the game feel tense which is fine, or they make me physically impossible for me to play, since some sort of description of blood and venes just makes my head spin and knocks me out sometimes.
I get the great artistic picture and how the game is not meant to be nice, since it does not deal with nice themes. I’m happy the artistic vision got through and it seems to be a succes based on community response
Not the same, but Into The Breach has become the one game I regularly return to. The ruleset is so simple and everything is laid out, including anticipating opponent moves. Just a great series of small puzzles
Not sure if it aligns with the original ask, but it is a great game. Definitely feels like a more compact morrwind (and I think it’s better for it). The world building and lore is fascinating and definitely worth a play for any fantasy rpg fans.
Specifically similar to RotOD is Heaven’s Vault in that its pretty nonlinear, not hand holdy and that you figure out (a foreign language in this case). But it is more adventure style than RotOD.
Another one already mentioned Outer Wilds (not Outer Worlds!) and I completely agree and recommend it as well!
In general I have to say I disagree that new games are more of the same. We are in a golden age regarding new games and game genres. It’s just, that there are so many games, that there are also many similar ones. And the big studios are the worst in that regard, just bury AAA and start to love Indie games!
As example, games which are different from others and not already mentioned in this thread:
Eastshade (you are a painter exploring a fantasy world, solving quests by painting pictures)
Rain World (you are a small animal trying to survive a hostile simulated world, you need to learn how the interaction between you, NPCs and the world works)
INSIDE (nearly pure atmosphere & no gameplay, but still great!)
Papers, Please (you are a government worker who has to check people coming over the border)
Her Story (you try to figure out what happened to a person via searching videos from her interrogation by the police)
What Remains of Edith Finch (part game anthology, part great story to connect those “mini games”)
A Little To the Left (OCD in game form)
Ancestors: Humankind Odyssey (you play a primate tribe and evolve it towards Homo Sapiens in an african tropical forest)
Edit: and how could I forget: Disco Elysium, the greatest RPG! without combat, only social encounters and technical problems to solve in a wonderful world full of memorable and interesting characters.
Planescape suffers from it’s zeitgeist and that it “needed” the fighting to be considered a RPG. I imagine it would surpass DE if they could have focused only on the story, the world and it’s inhabitants.
DE could only reach it’s high because PT existed first and showed what was possible and that the fighting only distracted.
If you haven’t played Disco Elysium yet, I highly recommend it. Since you like reading long texts, that part of the game will not bother you as it does some other players.
Disco Elysium: The Final Cut adds full voice over, so no reading required. Also the voice work for the inner thoughts is done by Lenval Brown and it is incredible. Like, seriously, go look up some gameplay footage on this. That man has a voice that you can listen to all day.
Also, Mike Goodman now voices the Horrific Necktie in the final cut and its the best thing ever.
I wholeheartedly agree, the voices in this game are all awesome and fitting. I just didn’t mention that because you either read the texts or sit even longer hearing them. Both ways you need a certain patience to enjoy this game. (Which not everyone has and that is okay as well)
Personally, I really liked Papers, Please. You play as a customs agent checking people’s paperwork as they seek entry into your country. The idea of the game is very simple but it’s surprisingly good at telling a story and putting you in situations that are morally difficult.
I think it’s mostly nostalgia, and the fact that it was kind of the first iteration of the design all controllers use now. The 360 controller was good but it was really only the start. In my opinion each xbox controller has been a massive improvement over the last.
The series x controller is probably the most well refined controller I’ve used, and the only reason it’s not my pick for best controller is because I’m a sucker for all the fancy tricks of the dualsense.
I always forget Xbox has a bigger market in the US.
I’m from SEA and up until the series One console just means Playstation here, I owned the first 3 generation and move to PC.
The series one controller is the first xbox layout I ever owned and the moment I hold it my brain goes “This makes more sense !” D-pads sucks ass though.
Maybe it’s just cause I don’t really play fps and Fighting and racing games ?
Yeah, someone mentioned haptic trigger in another thread and now I kinda want one. If only Sony makes one with an xbox layout lol, it probably looks ugly as hell with PS design.
I used to hate playstation controllers because they always felt really weird to hold. Even the PS4 controller was terrible for me. With the Dualsense PS5 controller though they just made it an xbox controller with playstation gimmicks and that was such a great move! It doesn’t look too ugly either, since it’s just the same basic shape as an xbox controller. It doesn’t have the nice weight that an xbox controller has and I definitely prefer the joystick layout on xbox, but the haptic triggers, the hd rumble, the trackpad, and the gyro sensor are all things I don’t think I can do without anymore!
The slightly more bulbous wings on the 360 controller actually do a lot for ergonomics, but it’s very hand-sized based. For me, the 360 is almost perfect in how the wings tuck into my palms. With the controller about 6 or so inches in front of me, my arms are at a natural angle with wrists straight and the controller is securely held without even a finger on it, and I can press any button without even having to brace it. Take even a little of those wings away, and that gets lost, and edges instead of the smooth roundness get annoying. My partner on the other hand, would need a smaller controller to get that same feel or to cross-thumb the dpad as easily as I do. As much as I originally preferred the symmetry of the playstation layout, I have to give the nod to the xbox layout for being able to dpad with the right thumb.
We desperately need controller makers to stop acting like controllers are one size fits all, when that’s not even close to true.
Survival game set in the cold Canadian wilderness. Most “survival” games are actually just boring crafting games but TLD is very different for me as it is mostly about exploring in the freezing cold with natural predators around to keep you on edge.
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