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Berttheduck, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?

Dragons dogma 1 and 2 fit the bill I think. 2 more so than the first.

LainTrain, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

FauxLiving, (edited )

No, it’s misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

I’ve had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn’t been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

All they’ve done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

So, let’s look into the claims.

Here’s the TOS:

www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear: There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

Diurnambule,

He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation…

FauxLiving,

He said it

That not misinformation…

It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.

So, let’s look into the claims.

Here’s the TOS:

www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear:

There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.


This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you’ve heard without checking to see if you’re spreading misinformation.

Cataphract,

I’m really curious on what actual specific steps you took to “check”. It took me about a few minutes of reading to find it.

www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/#3-sources-of-in…

We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies to detect and prevent cheating within our Services.

Furthermore, www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/#10-availability specifically section 10.2

We may provide patches, updates, or upgrades to the Services, Virtual Items, Content, or your Account that may be required for you to continue using the Services, including automatic or “in the background” updates without notice to you.

I hope the people who upvoted your misinformation are able to see this, please think of your actions and conduct before posting multiple comments defending a company if you’re worried about misinformation.

Warl0k3,

That… doesn’t actually rebut anything FauxLiving said. That they may use anti-cheat, and that they may have automatic updates, aren’t the claims in question here.

Crashumbc,

Ummm those two would statements would in fact allow them to install a “anticheat” rookit/kernel program at any time without your knowledge…

Diurnambule, (edited )

He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they tell that by possedong the game you allow them to. Edit : typo but can’t correct “possedong” now

wetbeardhairs,

possedong

I’d like to know how your autocorrect learned this word

Hadriscus,

That’s a typo from an i to an o, commenter probably meant possessing but made a mistake and tried to type posseding, I suspect their native language is french given their username and “to possess” in french is “posséder”.

That being said, a possedong sounds intriguing

Diurnambule,

Do you do osint ? … That pretty Mich on point. I use a English/French keyboard and sometime autocorrect do strange things.

Hadriscus,

I had to look this up… looks like it’s a whole thing

Diurnambule,

Really ? I though, since you used a though process used in osint. Osint is open sources intelligences, it is looking for data about something/someone in data available for all

luciole, do gaming w Self insert power fantasy recommendations?
@luciole@beehaw.org avatar

If you want to play Hades as a girl, you can play Hades II :D

MummysLittleBloodSlut,

Hmmm, I only want to play it when it’s done. I really loved Hades 1, I want to get the full intended experience, no spoilers.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool, (edited ) do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.

Edit: there it is 🤣

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

What’s Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

Blackmist,

You’re right that it’s not Valve they’re mad at, buuuuut…

They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don’t think that would be a bad one.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

So should Walmart stop selling products that I deem unfit based on my personal preferences too? Say goodbye to animal fats, products made in the US, ultra processed foods, some fruit I just don’t like the taste of, all Nestlé products…

I think you get the point.

Blackmist,

If somebody put strychnine in the guacamole, I’d expect Walmart to remove it from the shelves and offer refunds to anyone that bought it.

If somebody distributed malware through Steam, I’d expect them to stop it also.

Not that there is currently malware in Borderlands 2, but their EULA says they could put it there if they wanted, and there’s nothing you could do about it.

As usual, money is the best message. So if they do put it into a game you’ve paid for, request a refund. If Valve starts losing money, they will change their rules.

Diurnambule,

Steam refunded me multiple time for game where EULA changed and I disagreed with it. I told them that the EULA changed to include spyware capabilities and I don’t agree with the EULA change.

BlameTheAntifa,

I didnt realize Steam would do that. There have been several times where EULAs changed or malware was added a year or more later and I just assumed I had no recourse.

Diurnambule,

Dépend on the backslash they get. I have to admit it didn’t work each time. Last time I did it was for a psn account requirement added after they sold it

gamermanh,

I actually tried this with BL2 last week and got told “no, you’ve owned it for almost 10 years”

I find it hard to disagree with that notion, but also have a pirated copy with my saves backed up ready to fucking go

Diurnambule,

Yeah it didn’t work each time.I don’t remember the specific game, I think they got a huge backslash with some game and I kept asking for refund and telling them I disagree with EULA update which made my game unusable. I am in Europe through, that may have played a rôle

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

That’s a nice thought, and they should do that, but you’ve gotta do better at picking and choosing your moments

Blackmist,

I’m not the guy that guy replied to.

Just a random guy who thinks Gabe can put his foot down with these publishers. They already all tried going without Steam and they came crawling back.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

OutlierBlue,

But it’s not. So don’t make up scenarios and then claim persecution when people downvote you.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Making up scenarios and claiming to know what the response would be sure is a way to make an argument.

I mean, the worse most laughable way, but it’s a way indeed.

RevolverSly,

Objection! Speculative

Agrivar,

Your mom is wrong. You are not even slightly cool.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning

Diurnambule,

Hahaha, you killed me. XD You have problem with the default country ?

Agrivar,

Cry moar, I’ll never see your blocked ass again :-)

blomvik, do games w The first weekly What Are You Playing? thread!

I am playing Drove and really loving it. Most likely done with the first chapter. The Gothic inspiration is clear, but it plays entirely differently. Gonna join the Remnants as they were more playfully written.

MonkderVierte, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

🏴‍☠️ is free and without shenanigans.

nutsack,

giving root level access to russian crackers instead

FauxLiving,

Shh, the kids don’t want to hear about the dark side of free things (oh hey, a new Meta service!)

/s

RepleteLocum,

If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.

nutsack,

it isn’t propaganda.

it’s been a while since I’ve used windows, but I remember having to give administrator privileges to software installers, whether they are from legitimate vendors or from ripping groups with modified code

InFerNo,

Thats a windows thing so it can put files in “protected” folders like program files

MonkderVierte,

What’s with this anyway? A remnant from the single-user days?

InFerNo,

Some software installers still ask if I want to install for all users, which require elevated permissions, or only for me, which don’t. In that last option it will not prompt for elevated permissions as it will use one of my user’s folders which I have already all permissions for, obviously.

It’s a security measure that’s half assed. People are so used to it they just click allow but don’t actually look at the prompt anymore. Like I see a lot of people do with cookies on websites.

FauxLiving,

Thats a windows thing so it can put files in “protected” folders like program files

The unfortunate thing about the UAC prompt is that it gives the software permission to put files in protected folders, but it also gives the software root permission so it can do literally anything else without prompting the user. Except, I believe, if it tries to install unsigned kernel drivers, then the user has to click a new prompt… but you can completely compromise a machine with the permissions that users routinely give to executables that they download from the Internet.

muusemuuse,

There is nuance here. Not every crack is malicious but you have to assume they all are because some of them are. Trusting a source is irrelevant. Many security products will falsely tag cracked software as dangerous just because it’s cracked, not because it found a specific bit of nasty code, and this feeds the idea that you can’t believe when people tell you cracked software is unsafe. But there are many truly bad cracks out there. When in doubt, don’t trust it.

And you should always doubt free shit.

Venator,

Same is true of any software these days, not just cracks…

muusemuuse,

This is true. Even projects with good reputations get caught up in shit like the XZ back door in Linux.

If you haven’t read up on that fiasco, you really should look into it. It got way too far before being caught all because people suck and ruin things for others.

MonkderVierte,

Over wine?

sp3ctr4l,

Damn, its such a shame you can’t run a crack in a vm, or on linux via WINE and Proton, aw shucks.

nutsack,

and then run whatever modified code it just deployed on the host, yea

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

A game with a malicious crack that can escape a VM running on Windows and get to the main OS?

Sure, possible, but not by any means common.

A game with a malicious crack made for Windows that can… do anything nefarious when you’re running it on linux via WINE and Proton?

… Theoretically possible, but I’ve never heard of this actually occuring.

The same, but also inside another linux OS inside of a Bottle or Distrobox… or full VM… all running on a linux system that is significantly atomized with a read only core-os?

… At that point I am quite doubtful anyone is bothering to make a malicious crack that capable… when 99% of the existing game trainers and hacks that you can find or buy online… only work on Windows.

The crowd of people making game exploits and cheat engines… and the crowd of people making malicious game cracks… that venn diagram is almost a circle… and 99% of these people do not bother to ‘support’ linux, in anyway, at all, with anything they do.

Is using any random cracked software ever 100% safe? No.

But neither is say, using a Windows system, with 0 cracks or hacks… but with a MSFT trusted vendor’s 3rd party anti malware software… where said trusted vendor is allowed to push an unverified update to their kernel level anti-malware system… that is actually malformed, and then knocks out about 1/4 of every enterprise Windows PCs on Earth for 2 weeks.

RadioFreeArabia, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

I didn’t enjoy the Handsome Collection but free is free. Thanks for sharing.

SkybreakerEngineer, do gaming w I hate how CoD is all microscopic maps now thanks to Shipment 24/7

Hey man, the first 4 may have been failures but Babylon 5 is worth it

v4ld1z, (edited ) do gaming w If you hear Latin, you're in trouble.
RadioFreeArabia,

!soulslike

You need ! before the community’s name

v4ld1z,

autocorrect didn’t help me out this time. ty

DamienGramatacus, do gaming w Any good mobile games?

Limbo is very good on phone/tablet

PlexSheep, do games w Day 323 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing

Is 4.0 out yet? One of my favorite games, but late game often gets unplayable

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

I believe so! I’m like 90% sure I’ve seen the version number listed as 4.0. Along with a bunch of workshop mods saying it’s 4.0 compatible

Evil_Shrubbery, do gaming w If you hear Latin, you're in trouble.

It’s hard working in an office environment.

Iceblade02, do games w Any interesting new (2024+ launch) browser games / web-based games?

Prosperous universe might fit the bill depending on how deep into economy sim you want to go. Beware that you have some limitations as a completely free player, that are removed (last I checked) after you’ve made at least one purchase. So think of playing “free” as an infinite demo.

Allemaniac,

this game seems very promising, I’ll check it out later today. And I don’t mind spending a coin or two to help the developers. Thanks for the recommendation!

glorkon, do gaming w If you hear Latin, you're in trouble.

I ate a raw Carolina Reaper the other day and suddenly heard Black Speech.

slaacaa, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.
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