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Toes, do gaming w Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a Masterpiece, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is an Indulgence

I didn’t care much for botw. I still cleared it and had fun. It’s just the item durability system frustrated me. Everything felt cheap and not rewarding as a result.

monarch,

durability systems in non crafting games suck all of the joy out for me. I get weirdly anxious about “optimizing” my weapons and end up only using bad weapons and making the game needlessly hard on myself.

Dr_Box, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

Nah I think both of these are examples of pandering. The Last Samurai is even worse because there was no reason at all for Tom Cruise to be there historically. Yasuke at least was a real samurai and I think if you were to ignore the fact that ubisoft is obviously pandering for publicity and cash his story isn’t much different than Will Adams’ potrayal in Shogan.

ampersandrew,
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Say what you will about the white savior trope, but wasn’t there a historical reason for Tom Cruise’s character to be there? Japan was accepting foreign influence and modernization at that time, from what I know of history.

Dr_Box,

Yeah I was wrong. He’s based off of Jules Brunet who was a french officer that trained the Tokugawa samurai in the use of modern weaponry of the time. He sided with the resistance against the emperor of Japan until he was evacuated by a french warship later on when the resistance was defeated. He wasnt a samurai by any means but he was a real guy

ampersandrew,
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It’s also not pitched as being based on a true story. I take less issue with him becoming a samurai than surviving the last real samurai, lol.

VitoRobles,

The story’s title is in reference to “The last of the Samurai”, not Tom being a Samurai, and the last one.

Kind of reminds me of Big Trouble in Little China, where the story follows a white guy, and the true heroes are in the background.

That’s the narrative shared by the studio which I begrudgingly accept. Even though the title and Tom being the face of it muddles it a lot. And I also don’t consider it a good movie.

zarathustrad,

I mean, it’s a common trope in story telling to use an outsider protagonist (from the perspective of the people in the story) to allow world building and immersion in the world/culture your story is set within.

So, the “guy with amnesia”, “orphan kid”, “dude in a foreign land”, “time traveler”, “new person in the organization”, “certain types of isekai” tropes all exist to tell a story where the reader/viewer get to learn as they go.

Fairly popular in historical fiction, fantasy, and many other genera.

It makes “Shogun”, “The Last Samurai”, “Marco Polo”, “Big Trouble in Little China”, and others like them more accessible to “Western” aka “white guy” demographics.

I don’t really see an issue with it, when done well.

Tattorack,
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Except The Last Samurai isn’t remotely historical.

Tom Cruise’s is very roughly based in a French admiral. That admiral got sent specifically to Japan to create political relations with a certain faction of Samurai to further French interests there. The French admiral was made samurai as honorary title and put into service of the household.

During the final battle (which was a castle siege, and both sides were using guns), the French admiral was released from service and sent home.

If a movie or a series were to be made of this, and if it were to be somewhat accurate, it’d be closer to a political thriller with some battles in between.

ampersandrew,
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Good thing I was expecting historical fiction then and not a documentary or even a dramatization of true events.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

It can be a bit of both. You can tell a good story that also stays true to the historical events. Not being being able to do that shows a lack of skill and imagination.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Are you telling me The Last Samurai wasn’t skillfully made or imaginative? Nah, it was no masterpiece, but I liked it just fine. Having some westerners in Japan training their military on modern weaponry as the samurai are fading from relevance passes my threshold for “remotely historical”, and it’s definitely not a requirement for me that Tom Cruise’s character needs to have an American historical analog to meet that criteria. Any historical fiction will inherently have to change things about what actually happened in that era, after all.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

It was not skillfully made or imaginative. It was a very basic toybox of exotic nonsense about Samurai wrapped around a premise similar to Dances With Wolves.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I think you missed the sarcasm in the rhetorical question, but yes. It’s one of at least three or four movies I’ve seen utilizing the Dances With Wolves trope, though I’ve never seen Dances With Wolves itself, and that’s okay. It was entertaining.

PapstJL4U,
@PapstJL4U@lemmy.world avatar

To tell a story history is not binding. It neither a lack of skill or imagination - it’s an intended. What you have shown is a lack of understanding of the art of telling a story.

comically_cluttered, do gaming w Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a Masterpiece, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is an Indulgence

I enjoyed BotW, but I knew from the moment I saw the “let’s go Lego!” mechanics in TotK that I probably wouldn’t enjoy it at all.

Just really don’t like building mechanics in games. Or crafting. And the crafting was already pushing it in BotW. This is just amped up to eleven.

kratoz29,
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Just really don’t like building mechanics in games. Or crafting.

High five brother.

Even with that I am about to finish BOTW, I am not too excited about TOTK though.

To be honest even when BOTW has crafting mechanics I barely use them… I don’t cook anything unless a mission requires it, the same for the weapons I don’t craft them, I just pick up whatever, it is not like they last too much.

Shortstack, do gaming w Mysterious creature

TIL capybaras are actually coconut shaped dogs

OmegaMouse, do gaming w Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a Masterpiece, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is an Indulgence
@OmegaMouse@pawb.social avatar

I thought both games were excellent, but yes there was definitely something about BOTW that set it apart. In addition to what you’ve said, I think it’s partially that BOTW was such a unique experience the first time through - little things like the stamina meter for climbing, the cooking to help you craft items that warm you up etc. Discovering these features and setting off in whichever direction you fancied was a joy. TOTK didn’t have this same joy, as I already knew about these mechanics. And it felt like there was much more of a push to get the player to go in a specific direction, rather than leaving the exploration up to them.

I reckon they probably did the best job they could’ve with a sequel, but it was never going to be possible to live up to BOTW.

oce, do games w Day 255 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing until l forget to post Screenshots
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Edit: Couldn’t see the other pictures, but it was just slow to load.

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GammaGames, do gaming w Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a Masterpiece, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is an Indulgence

Definitely agree! I barely played TotK because, aside from the flying stuff together aspect, I’d already done everything I wanted in BotW. I did my exploring, my climbing, my juggling weapons during combat. I’ve done had more than my fill of those dinkly little shrines.

BotW is better imo because of what it was: new and surprising. TotK was good but (aside from some gimmicks that made driving around a bit more creative and streamlined) more of the same.

Anyway thanks for sharing!

Kwakigra,

This is very interesting to me because I wanted to keep going after BoTW ended. ToTK is like a full game sized DLC with all new gameplay elements, so it was exactly what I wanted. It’s kind of like an indulgent victory lap showing off all the cool stuff the engine can do with some new tools to play with. I will say that this is enough for me. Really hoping they do something completely original again.

Mora, (edited ) do gaming w Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a Masterpiece, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is an Indulgence

I played both and found Botw boring. Huge areas were nothing was happening, but they looked nice. Except the divine beasts, they were boring as hell, gameplay wise and optical. For this they got rid of cool dungeons? The challenge shrines repeated often and were not really interesting at all. And the weapons broke permanently. After a short while I simply rushed through this game. I can see the love poured into this game but the gameplay was just soon boring to me.

Then came Totk. I was sceptical at first, but then came the building of stuff. Suddenly it was okay when weapons broke, because you could try other interesting things with them. Dungeons were back. The challenge shrine were mostly puzzles for the build mechanic. The whole freaking world was filled with build puzzles where I could get lost in shenanigans. So they basically addressed most issues I had with the first game and as a result I liked it more.

Storywise I would place them both in the category “about okay”.

desmosthenes, do gaming w Back to total war I guess
@desmosthenes@lemmy.world avatar

path of exile beckons

UltraGiGaGigantic, (edited )
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

I heard new poe2 league in March and yet… no new league?

desmosthenes,
@desmosthenes@lemmy.world avatar

yea things been a little hectic with GGG but i’m always hipeful. core game is still best is ever been

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar
desmosthenes,
@desmosthenes@lemmy.world avatar

woooooooop

MITM0, do games w Skill issue
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Can we see the study ?? Let’s see how credible it is

silverlose,

Not the actual paper but here ya go

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33613781

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

So no citations & only a mere opinion ? So it’s clear as day then. It’s a misandric hit-piece (off course it’s from BBC)

MrConfusion,

What are you talking about? The BBC article references the research paper directly?

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401/

MITM0, (edited )
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I probably disable JS then, I apologize

About Evo-Psych, you probably should see this then

silverlose,

There are SO many sources on this it’s obvious you didn’t even bother to look.

Here’s the paper

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjo…

Maybe do some research for once in your life?

ThomasCrappersGhost,

WTF? Go and spend a day in the big wide world.

In the 90s I watched something and there was a woman that was becoming a fairly competent go cart racer, she quit cause the men she was competing against couldn’t stand “losing to a girl” and got quite nasty about. This won’t be a credible source though, will it?

MITM0, (edited )
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Of course not. Especially with supportive people like you

Since we are talking about the real world; did you deliberately omit the fact that men playing video-games are called pathetic & deadbeat losers regardless of whether they’re champions or not ?

roguetrick,

You’ll need an audience with a much larger inferiority complex if you want that sort of claim to resonate.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Why should one need an audience for that claim, when the evidence is right there on the internet & IRL

ThomasCrappersGhost,

Just seen your edit. Before I answer this question, are you seriously asking to be judged fairly after judging others unfairly?

Kuranashi,

So that makes it okay to shit on women in games? Go cope elsewhere, incel.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Men get shat on as well but, I guess we are n9t going to address that huh, if you’re going to virtue-signal as an Egalitarian, then act the part

& ah the incel slur, what are you ?? A sex-obsessed creep ?

Should I be worried about your mental well-being ?

Kuranashi,

Take your mask off and see what happens, incel. It’s always the same fucking formula, go and whine about your own tiny little insecurities every single time anything about women’s experience is highlighted.

You’d find something between your ribs irl real quick if you took off your mask around the people in your life and they found out how incapable you are of even reading about half the population of the Earth’s perspective without self inserting your pathetic insecurities.

Coelacanth, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #7
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A high effort post on Lemmy? It’s more likely than you think!

Absolutely love these, they are delightful! They must take a lot of energy to put together but it’s so very much appreciated.

eletes, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #7
@eletes@sh.itjust.works avatar

The physical game cases are slick

Kichae, do gaming w Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a Masterpiece, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is an Indulgence

This meshes pretty well with my feelings of thing. On the whole, TotK is more refined more of the same. I’ve enjoyed seeing how the world and characters have moved on, I enjoyed the side quests, and I enjoyed that feeling early on of the depths being new, mysterious, and dangerous.

One of the things I decided early on was that I didn’t like the Lego Technic stuff, and I committed to using it as little as possible. Especially for speeding up travel. I’m an old, and my internal Hyrule is deeply and strictly… medieval? Mythical? Legendary? Electric drones just don’t fit into my schema for Zelda, even though the developers gave been slipping more and more magitech into the setting for going on 20 years now. I feel that this has given me more of a sense of the game as a meal, to use your analogy, but it’s definitely an indulgent one.

I wasn’t looking for more BotW. I was just looking for more Link, Zelda, and Ganon. I got what I wanted, and I genuinely don’t understand the ire the game has drawn, other than, maybe, a lot of people getting what they wanted, discovering they were wrong about what they wanted, and being unwilling to accept that.

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