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STUNT_GRANNY, do games w What are some old games that are hard to revisit, because a more modern and superior version exists?

I can’t see myself going back to the original Half-Life after playing Black Mesa. The changes to Xen alone are massive improvements.

CoolMatt,

Just started a playthrough of Black Mesa, after having played HL1 like fuck idk, 18 years ago? Barely remember it, but going through the levels I’m like “Oh yeah I remember this part, with the mine cart/train thingies”

Looked at screenshots of HL1 the other day and laughed that I will never play it ever again

Hyphlosion, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year

Why do people manufacture arguments like this? Who is arguing that one is okay while the other isn’t? A couple random people on the Internet?

The only thing I can think of is The Last Samurai is a 20 year old movie and that somehow means not bringing up this historic fictional movie = you’re okay about a white dude becoming a samurai but not okay about a black dude becoming a samurai.

Whataboutism at its finest.

Did it not occur to this person that perhaps some people just don’t care about the movie, haven’t seen the movie, or plain just didn’t bring it up because it’s a movie? Is it “double standards” for one to pick their battles and not be enraged at everything all the time? My god this shit is exhausting.

Disclaimer: I have no opinion on the game itself because I frankly don’t care about it because I’m not the biggest Ubisoft fan outside of Rayman. Nor does the above necessarily reflect my opinion on the game’s historical accuracy. I’ve always loved The Last Samurai and Memoirs of a Geisha though and find both beautiful and touching films, so make of that as you will.

reksas,

when you dont have arguments that fit with what you want to do, you make up your own.

VitoRobles,

I like how OP also chose to do zero research of all the controversy of the Last Samurai, and the years of PR control.

RowRowRowYourBot,

The only thing I can think of is The Last Samurai is a 20 year old movie and that somehow means not bringing up this historic fictional movie = you’re okay about a white dude becoming a samurai but not okay about a black dude becoming a samurai.

You should watch the movie. Cruise’s character does not become a samurai. He spends time with the last samurai.

Hyphlosion,

You should read the rest of my post. You would have learned that I have watched it.

RowRowRowYourBot,

If that was true then why did you completely misstate what the movie was about? Cruise does not become a samurai at any point.

KeenFlame,

It is a fighting game with stereotypical characters. Not historically accurate in any way. This is astroturfing by some org that wants racial in fighting

Zatore, do games w Day 251 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing until l forget to post Screenshots

FC3 is the best Far Cry game!

mic_check_one_two,

I was pleasantly surprised by New Dawn. I had some big complaints about 5, so I initially assumed New Dawn (being a direct sequel to 5) was going to be more of the same. It was an interesting take on the series’ formula.

MoreFPSmorebetter, do games w Skill issue

I have ~10k hours in counterstrike across multi game versions and accounts. I noticed a similar thing over my years. The players doing well in a match were often neutral towards gamer girls, but the guy having a shit match would be the fastest sack of shit every time. Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.

Obviously there are always exceptions to any rules but in my anecdotal experience the guys who were confident in their abilities didn’t care about women but losers would attack them just for speaking.

theangryseal,

Man. I miss when gungame was filled with people and all the fun addons. Warcraft 3 mods, vote for knife fight, “gotcha bitch” with every knife kill.

I want to go back.

ksigley,

OG /gg and /surf maps.

CarnivorousCouch,

Counter Strike was way better when this was the vibe. I am so tired of competitive this and gun case that. I’ve never been interested in 5v5 scrimming in any serious way, but that’s all CS2 wants me to do.

I want gun game, I want wc3, I want ZM. I want quirky custom maps (glass!) and quake sounds and !bet ct all. I want to fuck around with new friends on a server for an evening, not to sweat my balls off throwing practiced smokes on dust2.

theangryseal,

I’m right there with you. I haaaaaate the direction of modern gaming.

DaTingGoBrrr,

Same thing kinda happened to TF2. I mean, Competitive is dead but the server browser and community servers are not what they used to be. I miss when it was front and center. Today most people just play casual on Valve servers.

After a quick search it seems like the CS2 in-game server browser has gone to complete shit. I hope Valve fixes it. It’s part of the Source Legacy.

Kazumara,

And the old WCFAN (We Couldn’t Find A Name) servers, what was it called again, I think hillbreak? That was fun!

ArtificialHoldings,
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Ego soothing, peacocking behavior

ramenshaman,

I have ~10k hours in counterstrike

Damn. There’s 8760 hours in a year btw. That’s impressive.

MoreFPSmorebetter,

If it makes you feel any better those hours were spread out over the last 10 years or longer. I can’t even remember when I started. Just one of those ol’ reliable games for me.

BeNotAfraid,

A tenth of a year is still 36 and 1/2 days of uninterrupted cs per anum.

MoreFPSmorebetter,

And the worst part of it is that probably half of those hours happened within a few years in the middle there. I played like 6 hours a night every night with my friends. Good times but yeah…

spookex,

Same feelings here, I used to average around 1k hours per year in my “active” years.

All of the issues with CS2 kinda put the end to that, played the beta, then stopped for a year, and now I play few games every few days

MoreFPSmorebetter,

My heavy CS days were early in csgo days. Back when the skin gambling scene and the pro scene were popping early on. My buddies and I would watch the pro games and then get all hyped to improve and we would jump into ranked only to get fucking pub stomped. Good times. Eventually we did start getting good. I only ever got to whatever rank was below global and only two of my buddies ever got to global.

However my top fps bragging moment was actually in valorant when it was a closed beta still I absolutely shat all over pro csgo player at the time named JDM in a lobby. Top fragged and completely dominated him the entire match.

That was when I peaked in my fps gaming lol. It’s all been downhill since. I’m still better than most people at fps games in general, but I am not as sharp and snappy as I was when I was a younger man with way more free time to practice and improve every night.

Naz,

You’re absolutely correct, I had a similar experience

I played CS for roughly the same amount of time; my clan ranges from DMG to Global, but we had a rule that if you were in the clan, we’d 5-man with you regardless of your rank, so if you were Silver, you’d have a chance to rub elbows and learn strategies from the higher skilled players.

Then we got a Global, a girl named Moon.

Holy hell, it’s like people’s brains did a 180°, they were incredibly mean to her, for no reason, and eventually it came out that she was trans, and they bullied her even worse, out of the server.

I kicked everyone who bullied/demonized Moon for being trans; because at the end of the day, it was about being a honest human being, and not just a CS player/gamer.

RememberTheApollo_,
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.

Not really a gold star by the top player’s name for this, either. The comment alone leaves plenty of room to be interpreted as “girls should be easy to beat/poor gamers because they’re girls.”

MoreFPSmorebetter,

They wouldn’t say “you’re getting beaten by a girl” as much as they would respond to the guys losing their minds who happened to be below them on the scoreboard by saying things like “Why are you yelling at her she’s playing better than you are shut up”. Kinda way.

ThomasCrappersGhost,

There are definitely many competent players that will be like “haha you’re getting beaten by a girl” out there, though.

roguetrick,

Nobody ever claimed pubstompers were good people. We pubstomp precisely because we’re not

ThomasCrappersGhost,

I’m hoping this is sarcasm, otherwise that is an interesting thing to be proud of.

roguetrick,

I’m not a misogynist but anybody who consistently scores top on a public server pretty much is a pubstomper asshole by definition. And I have certainly been that. You don’t do it for the challenge, or you’d be doing league and more competitive modes.

MoreFPSmorebetter,

Oh absolutely

circuitfarmer, do games w Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year
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The fun thing about The Last Samurai is that the title doesn’t refer to Tom Cruise. He does not play a samurai in the film. He plays an American officer.

He hangs with a group of samurai, who are collectively the last of their kind.

That said, plenty of people complained about it in its day.

xavier666,

I might be terribly incorrect.

But i remember that Tom Cruise’s character switches sides in the movie after spending time with the Samurai (He was captured by them). He trains under them and becomes a Samurai. In the end, they fight against the (British?) and lose due to a gattling gun. All the Samurai die except for Tom’s character. So symbolically, Tom is the Last Samurai.

Newsteinleo,

Yes, it’s a classic “white savior” trope.

johnnyb,

he die didn’t save shit though :D

circuitfarmer,
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What did he save? Literally everyone but Meiji-backed forces dies at the end.

circuitfarmer, (edited )
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It is implied that Tom Cruise dies at the end. I think the confusion comes from a voice over, but you never see the character on screen again.

He also does not “become a samurai”. He fights alongside them, but at no point do they call him a samurai.

Edit: looks like that link is wrong. He doesn’t die at the end. I guess memory is a fickle beast.

xavier666,

He also does not “become a samurai”

Correct. That’s why I said symbolically.

but you never see the character on screen again

I maybe incorrect but towards the end of the movie, the Emperor asks how Katsumoto died, to which Tom Cruise replies “I’ll tell you how he lived”. So he was alive?

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Hm, I may need to rewatch it myself. That also doesn’t match what the link above suggests about interpreting the ending: “Algren finds redemption through his newfound purpose and ultimately sacrifices his life for the cause he once opposed.”

Edit: I just checked the last scene. You’re right, he doesn’t actually die. Which means the link is also wrong.

Still, I think it’s a stretch to say he’s the last samurai, since he never really becomes a samurai. One important note is that samurai is “samurai” in the plural, too.

cattywampas, do games w What are some old games that are hard to revisit, because a more modern and superior version exists?

Goldeneye. Revolutionized the FPS genre at the time. Nigh unplayable now. Tried recently using both NSO and on an original N64, it just hasn’t aged well when compared to something modern.

Lemmist,

I played a port to the modern system recently. WASD, mouse… Was rather fun.

brap,
Lemmist,

No, I don’t believe it was this. It looked exactly like an original. Just the input layout was more modern.

catalyst,
@catalyst@lemmy.world avatar

I played Goldeneye at an arcade recently that had an N64 set up and actually had a great time. But people who hadn’t grown up with it and tried to join in found it pretty frustrating. So I can see that going either way tbh.

tigeruppercut,

Yeah it already had inferior controls at the time if you were familiar with FPS gaming on computers. But it was still a ton of fun and when I went back to it some years ago I fell back into the n64 controller muscle memory no problem

amorpheus,

The key is to change the layout, then the only problem is really replacing a mouse with the joystick.

tigeruppercut,

Yeah you can use two controllers to mimic the more modern twin stick ones that have become standard, but I don’t think too many people figured that out back then. Still though, controller will never be as good as mouse + keyboard for FPS games.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Plug in a second controller and switch the control option to 2.4.

caseyweederman,

Ah yes, “co-op mode”

LainTrain,

Play the xbla version via Xenia with mouse support and you’ll love it more than you ever did.

skulblaka,
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Perfect Dark, on the other hand, totally still holds up today in my opinion, and there’s a decompilation project that works great on PC and Steam Deck.

Buddahriffic,

Yeah, I felt that way about GoldenEye after getting used to PD. GoldenEye was one of the GOATs in its day, but that day passed pretty quickly. Halo then further improved on the controls and CoD improved on the multiplayer mechanics.

When that GoldenEye for PC project released some years ago, I was excited to download and install it (because PC port meant it would get PC controls, which have always been superior to console controls, even after Halo fixed them) but I think I only played one game before remembering that you start with nothing and have to find guns and the port was more crowded than the 2-4 player games back in the day where you could at least spawn away from the action and get a chance to arm up before others made their way to where you were.

variouslegumes,

Perfect dark holds up even better if you use two n64 controllers. Basically modern FPS style controls! I think Golden Eye had the same option?

amorpheus,

I tried that with a friend once and we were confused about the purpose. Now it makes sense!

MintyAnt,

I love love love perfect dark. But it’s uhhh it does not hold up. The campaign starts fairly strong and craters pretty quick. It really feels like they just weren’t able to really… Finish the game when it came out.

Also, like GoldenEye, a huge component of Perfect Dark was multiplayer.

samus12345,

You can actually play it with modern controls on NSO if you do a fair amount of tweaking. Makes it MUCH better.

toddestan,

With the N64, it helps if you can hook it up to a TV from around that era too. Games like Goldeneye look terrible on a modern LCD. I had that experience myself - “Man, I know I’m used to modern games now, but I don’t remember these games looking this shitty”. Then I dragged out my old CRT and hooked it up, and instantly it was “Now this is how I remember these games looking like”.

Minnels, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #7

Thank you for writing these. Love to read them.

JakobFel, do games w Skill issue
@JakobFel@retrolemmy.com avatar

Politicizing games is so incredibly tiresome.

treesapx,

Only two genders: male and political.

pyre,

this literally has nothing to do with the game itself. it’s about behavior towards other people, which is intently political.

also video games are art which makes them political as well.

the fact that you kneejerked into this reaction feels super insecure and reactionary.

JakobFel, (edited )
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More like I’m just sick of people hijacking my favorite art form to express political/social issues or sexual fetishes, both of which are becoming too common. It’s exactly why I’ve grown more and more in favor of retro gaming, back when neither of those expressions were anything but a fringe group of miserable individuals and weirdos that most gamers ignored. Not going to argue further, I’ve spoken my piece.

Soggy,

“My position is so tenuous yet so important to my identity that I will not tolerate the slightest challenge.”

Alternatively, “That’s why my favorite book is Moby Dick, no frou-frou symbolism. Just a good simple tale about a man who hates an animal.”

Psychonauts is about trauma. Fallout is anti-war. FFVII is environmentalist. Samus as a woman was an intentionally subversive choice. Video games have had socual commentary for as long as it’s been able to be expressed.

pyre,

I’ve heard this before but “a man who hates an animal” makes me laugh so hard

wieson,
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Tetris is about trying to fit into a society, that wants to destroy you.

Space invader is about uniting all of earth’s peoples against a common challenge.

Pong is about the heated but honest exchange of ideas that makes a democracy stronger.

(/jk I agree with you)

pyre,

if you think about it, in tetris once you fit perfectly you get destroyed. but if you don’t, you stand and eventually help each other get to the top. maybe it’s a caution against conformity.

pyre,

I’m glad, because you’re talking nonsense.

what you’re referring to is a time when you were a kid and didn’t realize the politics. now you’re aware of it and are acting like it’s new. this is just illiteracy.

Dreaming_Novaling,

Ugh. Thank you, I was just about to say it myself. There’s been politics in games for forever. Even the simplest shit like, “environmental destruction bad, so Sonic fight Eggman”

People are just too dumb to realize that they were kids back then…

pyre,

even mechanics can be unintentionally political. there was a really cool errant signal video years ago talking about civilization games. it was mostly about what the games idea of a “civilization” is and how the win conditions reinforced the idea that one civilization has to be the superior one to rule them all…

but also these ideas were further reinforced by the way barbarians were depicted. that word already has baggage but the interesting thing is that in civ4 they share a banner with wildlife. like, they’re almost like animals or natural disasters and not people at all.

what conservatives don’t understand is that you can think about things like this and acknowledge what they mean and still enjoy the game and or understand why these choices were made. they’re not necessarily political choices as much as they’re mechanical, but that doesn’t mean we can’t think about what mechanical choices might mean to the player, or what messages they send. if video games are art, they can—and I would say must—be critiqued.

fear of change is at the core of conservatism, and that drives their utter aversion to introspection, and also to criticism of things and people they like. and vice versa, they can’t bring themselves to appreciate any part of anything they don’t like. if they like a person they can do no wrong. if they like a game it must be perfect. if they dislike a song it’s the harbinger of the fall of civilization (ooh look at me bringing it full circle).

in a world of absolutes, there can be no discussion. don’t ask me to think about things please. leave your thoughts and opinions out of my fun time, lest my views get challenged. this is what’s funny about the likes of ben shapiro pretending that they have the facts while liberals are too emotional. their entire world view is based on their feels, and their arguments follow those as justification.

silverlose,

Trying to avoid politics are we? Got some bad news for ya…

FlapJackFlapper, do games w Skill issue

Hate is often just a reflection of insecurities and a product of attempting to alleviate cognitive dissonance. Someone feels scared, doesn’t like feeling that way, and so converts their fear into anger – misdirected at someone else.

tacobellhop,

Balance is the key. True that fear leads to anger and anger to hatred and a path of the dark side, but the Jedi were also guilty of dealing in absolutes until they were fighting outright fascism via space capitalism and clone contracts they built killed them all.

RememberTheApollo_, do games w What are some old games that are hard to revisit, because a more modern and superior version exists?
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The Battlefield franchise. I went back and played 1942, and disregarding the graphics, omg it’s so slow and clunky. It was the shit for the day, but man…compared to 2042 it’s super-dated.

Asafum, do games w Aged like milk, John!

There are three guarantees in life:

Death

Taxes

The ultra wealthy will completely fuck up a society for personal gain.

MITM0, (edited ) do games w What are some old games that are hard to revisit, because a more modern and superior version exists?
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Black Mesa & SystemShock-Remake

blackris,
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Almost.

arotrios, (edited ) do games w Skill issue
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Incel in a nutshell:

Manchild in the brain!

Weird Al, take that one with my blessing and run for the hills… cause judging by the downvotes, the incels have my scent.

emb, (edited ) do games w What are some old games that are hard to revisit, because a more modern and superior version exists?

The early Pokemon games are pretty rough, after you get used to improvements from the GBA era. Particularly the remakes.

Likewise, the original NES Metroid after playing Zero Mission? Takes some getting used to.

Rai,

Ahhhh I love how crunchy the old versions are! The only thing I wish I had on my carts is a FFWD feature for grinding.

ColeSloth,

I enjoyed the fighting simplicity of the original pokemon games. I could recognize and know the names of 151 pokemon and their weakneses/strengths. Now there’s too many pokemon and too many counters and hybrids. Too much work to keep track of.

venotic,
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As much as I adore, love and still prop Gen II as peak pokemon. I also have to blame Gen II for bringing in EV and IV that has served for the longest time, as fuel to the fire. Additionally so has making pokemon born and all that.

Now there's mega-evolutions, old pokemon have aurora forms or whatever. Why complicate it?

ColeSloth,

Yes. I enjoyed the simpler “rock paper scissors” offense/defense of the older games. There is such a thing as too much and it would be nice if game developers didn’t always feel the need to add way more stuff to every sequel.

MissingInteger,

The IV and EV system in Gen II is the same as in Gen I.
The “mordern” EV and IV system that’s being used today was introduced in Gen III with Ruby and Sapphire.

Worx,

That’s just crazy talk. Pokémon Blue is my favourite, although I’ve only played up to gen 4 (Diamond, I think is the name). It’s not as good as the previous generations and the physical special split is just weird IMO. I’m sure that’s an unpopular opinion for people who are used to playing like that though, I think it would make more sense to me if it was how it had always been. Abilities were a neat addition though, I’ll give you that

emb,

Even though it’s hard to go back, I think Gen I is still quite good. I replayed Red maybe 3ish years ago, and had a great time. It’s just that it’s very rough around the edges until I’m used to it again.

The main thing that made me bring it up actually was remembering going back after playing GSC, and really missing the in-battle exp bar.

I’m surprised to hear you didn’t like the physical/special split, I think it makes much more sense the new way.

That split was great, the sp. atk/def split is very good, hold items and abilities added a lot. Inventory management got a lot better in later games. And monster sprites did too, although the bad sprites in Gen 1 have a lot of charm and nostalgic appeal of their own.

Dreaming_Novaling,

I’m sorry, I’m a young gen, so maybe that explains it but… I played the virtual console Yellow and got so damn bored…

It’s hard picking a favorite gen, as 4 was my first (Platinum my beloved) but I liked 5 despite not being able to beat it, but the features they introduced after gen I are all very good. Physical Special split is good imo, makes more strategy to a relatively basic game (when you don’t play against real people), abilities are great, newer types and type combos are nice additions, and a major one it the aesthetic.

Gen I characters and region are just so bland, the lack of themes, no extra minigame stuff… And I get it was the first gen so I can’t fault them for that. But the characters in the modern games are fantastic even if they’re weak, the music only gets better and better (each gen feels like it has a genre now), they include neat side stuff like the Poke Olympics, performance contests, berries & snacks, a ton of other stuff throughout the games. Like yeah, the newer games fall hard on the battle/difficulty aspect, and GameFreak’s inability to make a good looking game is astonishing. But they do put some heart in the little things in the new games, that just made grinding all day long in OG Yellow feel like a chore…

And even those there’s a lot, more Pokemon just makes that initial hour or so of a new game feel so special, like you’re discovering it all over again.

smeg, do games w Is there any interest for a "Pokemon VGC"-like game?

If you’re wanting to build a game, do it for you and not someone else. It’s going to be a difficult and thankless task, so make sure that you are enjoying the process!

green,

Thanks for the advice.

I think this is something I would enjoy doing even if no one played it. I’m not necessarily looking for thanks, but I also recognize it would be a massive waste of resources - which could be spent on a project people find useful. It’s also a multiplayer game, so without players, it would be truly pointless.

I think I’ll go through with it though; if there’s general curiosity, there’s a chance.

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