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MangoPenguin, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

Why buy this absolute disaster of a game?

Rose,

Because the previous ones were great and this one has glowing critics reviews. For me though, the system requirements are too high, so I’ll buy and play it sometime after a PC upgrade.

Midnitte,

BL3 was just as much (if not more) of a mess - people shouldn’t be surprised, especially with Randy telling people they should be selling their souls to have the privilege of playing this game.

Rose,

I played through BL3 on a 2016 PC and it was OK. Not perfect, but perfectly playable. Looking at that PC Gamer article, I don’t even understand the complaint of being unable to run the game at 120 FPS. Seems like an unreasonably high bar. I’d take 60.

Midnitte,

Its initial launch on Epic was a mess for multiplayer, and there was plenty of documented issues for PC.

The story was probably also a sign to come for the movie that would release after…

Rose,

If you asked me to recall the story of any of the games, I’d not be able to. I don’t think people play the games for the story. It’s just a fun looter shooter, especially in co-op, which is how I played BL3 around its Epic launch. Revisiting my technical review of the game from then, yeah, you’re right, and I documented various reports of issues, though there were quick fixes deployed or workarounds available for the biggest issues. That seems commonplace in the industry though.

NewNewAugustEast,

Great? The first one was OK. Then it kinda went down hill from there.

Rose,

My favorite is BL3. It made the shooting feel less like cardboard compared to most games and had a great cast of characters.

Tattorack, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

In other words:

“We don’t want to put resources towards optimising our product. We don’t care if the methods we built our product with make it more difficult to use, while regressing in several key visual aspects. The burdon of our shortcomings will be placed on the end user, who will have to spend their resources to out-power them.”

trslim, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Hot take, Borderlands was never really a good franchise. Yeah I played through the second game, but i did so once, and never wanted to return to it afterwards.

proper,
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

there was something special about playing through 1 for the first time knowing nothing what to expect. Then when 2 came out I liked it alright but already felt like it was a big tonal departure. funny to see the discussion shift over time to 2 being the benchmark and 3(+) going too far.

deczzz,
@deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Agree

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

The best game in the franchise is the Telltale game

psx_crab,

That one is a gem, Gearbox can’t compete with this. B2’s only biggest asset is the voice actor, the animation when two character interact is worst than Oblivion.

MagicShel, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Not me, then. Cool. Thanks for letting me know.

mohab, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

TIL broken is a premium feature 😂

Deyis,

Advanced purchasers get access to a special gamestate: “Fucked”.

mohab,

Conan did a Clueless Gamer playing it and the game crashed halfway through 😂 Not even making it up, it's on YT.

belated_frog_pants, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

I wouldn’t buy this game if every outfit gave it an 11/10. Fuck this idiot

itkovian, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I guess I will stick to my “non-premium” games made by devs who actually care about providing experiences worth experiencing, instead of a checklist-driven, committee designed and overpriced games that are most AAA games.

nfreak,
@nfreak@lemmy.ml avatar

I sunk 90 hours into Silksong since launch, and now I’m going through Nine Sols and playing PoE2 on and off. I won’t lie I’m hearing good things about BL4 minus the performance, but I’m not giving Randy a single cent and I’m far happier not engaging in AAA dogshit.

warm, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

Modern gaming, why expect anything more?

Avoid UE5 games, they are all the same. Underperforming messes.

stewie410,

I’m still not convinced the engine is the problem. Maybe it’s not helping, sure, but heavy reliance on upscalers to achieve nominal performance is probably a bigger issue.

That, and shipping before proper optimization passes is probably more profitable in the short term, so publishers will push for that.

warm,

Yes, the engine could be used well, but it's used for it's out of the box "good" graphics, lighting and such. Which then yes, devs slap on shitty DLSS, frame generation or whatever at the end to reach a somewhat playable framerate (or "framerate number" should I say with the way things are going. Fuck you Nvidia).

No developers are going to spend ages tweaking the engine to get good performance when people will just buy the game regardless. I've yet to see a good performing UE5 game with good fidelity and I probably never will because it's entirely reliant on TAA as it's deferred rendering as standard. I hate seeing developers abandoning their own in-house engines just to swap to shitty UE5. I know, I know, it's all about the money...

The engine is a plague, as every developer is seemingly moving to it. Chasing "upgraded" graphics that no one asked for. All games consolidating onto one engine is very bad.

It's good for movies, bad for games. Give us good raster performance back, no TAA, no upscaling, no frame gen.

Wahots, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

There’s a fourth borderlands game? IDGAF if it even comes to steam this time, silksong is $20.

User79185, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

You need to have $500 gpu to hit 60fps with 1080p native, this is hilariously bad.

SailorFuzz,

I haven’t seen a $500 gpu in near a decade. Even used. If you see a $500 gpu today, I guarantee you it can’t run Borderlands 4.

UnsavoryMollusk, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

That’s nice, he is kind enough to tell us that we should not buy his game if we do not have a monster gpu. He is only excluding a very small portion of gamers after all !

Let’s look at the Valve’s hardware survey.

Wait…

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Most popular system RAM is 16GB, and VRAM is 8GB.

Wow! Powerful specs!

paraphrand, (edited ) do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Only PCVR titles can even approach saying such things without looking like jerks. And even then, it’s probally counter productive.

An example, for those curious, is Microsoft Flight Simulator.

pressanykeynow,

From my experience graphics doesn’t matter much in VR if FPS is fine. You can play HL Alyx on a what was sometime ago affordable gpu and get almost the same experience as with 5900.

paraphrand,

You made this statement by using the most optimized high end VR title in existence. And the creators of the game their own engine!

Graphics do matter. That’s why you cited Alyx. Right? Because the game is impressive in many ways, graphics being a really big one. Graphics in VR have generally stagnated for the past 5 years since Alyx came out.

Graphics are why the interactions with bottles in that game are so impressive. Just to highlight one small thing.

CaptainBlinky, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

Funny thing, that. It’s not a well-optimised game. That’s the problem.

Korhaka, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I’ll play something cheaper then

Kolanaki, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I am a premium gamer; if you want me to play your premium game, you’ll need to subscribe to me for $29.99/month or $324/year (that’s a 10% discount from the month to month!)

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