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Switorik, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Or hear me out, you can give your developers time to optimize the game. I hate the direction most AAA games are going.

Deyis,

It’s unacceptable for games from big studios to be released in such a shoddy state. At this point, the best bet as a consumer is to wait 3 months before buying anything.

xxce2AAb, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

Uh, Jesus Christ…

Coelacanth, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

250GB install sizes plus an additional 100GB shader caches. This is what the future looks like, buckle up.

Montagge,

250GBs? Cries in DSL

ltxrtquq,

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM:

Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system OS: Windows 10 / Windows 11 Processor: Intel Core i7-9700 / AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Memory: 16 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 / AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT / Intel Arc A580 Storage: 100 GB available space Additional Notes: Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system. Requires 8 CPU Cores for processor. Requires 8 GB VRAM for graphics. SSD storage required

oxysis,

Holy shit a 2070 for minimum specs!!!

oxysis,

Game doesn’t look good enough to justify a 20 series card, probably has mandatory raytracing but holy fuck that’s bad

snooggums,

Nah, this is just one horribly unoptimized game.

Jrockwar,

For a cartoon game.

With the aesthetics they have, this could have been playable on the steam deck without anybody noticing the difference in graphics.

Why do they need 2-billion-polygon rocks only to flatten them all out and make it look like a cardboard cutout? It’s ridiculous.

Quill7513,

managers have insane priorities

MangoPenguin,

It could have looked like BL2 with a few upgrades and more physics and that would have been fine.

SmoochyPit,

BL2 even had some PhysX simulations when using an Nvidia card for particles and effects, so between those and running at higher internal resolutions and framerates, it’s already better than the new one in some areas.

missingno, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I feel like we've long reached the point where the benefit of top-of-the-line hardware just isn't worth it. IMO, Switch 2 ought to be enough to target, and any game that can't fit on that can probably stand to be scaled back.

frezik, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Someday, the industry is going to realize that while transistors might still be getting smaller, they aren’t getting cheaper for it. Which was the original formulation of Moore’s Law; cost of integrated component gets cut in half every x months.

Not just games, but the whole tech industry. Even in so far as faster hardware exists–and it just plain might not in this case–people can’t afford it.

frongt, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Is Borderlands really all that popular still? Like I remember seeing the first few games everywhere, and people talking about them, but that was years ago. I realize I’m biased but I would expect to hear something about them…

funkless_eck,

1 was fresh and new

2 was fantastic

prequel was OK

3 tried too hard and was generally average to poor

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe he could try to make another TV series.

Atherel,

Does 1 get better? I have 1 and 2 from a bundle years ago and started the first game. It’s sooo boring, like all the bad stuff from an mmo but single player. I don’t want to walk from a Hub to place A multiple times and just the spawning mobs change based on the quest.

Or if 1 doesn’t get better, can I play 2 without losing to much?

mic_check_one_two, (edited )

2 was where the series really peaked. The first did some new things, and brought some fresh life into the shooter genre.

2 expanded upon it, and had a much better story. It was also in the heyday of matchmaking game lobbies, so it was easy to boot up the match finder and jump into a game with someone. Probably half of my Steam friends list came from playing this game and just vibing with people on voice chat while we ran through the side quests.

The prequel was… Alright? I’d put it about on par with the first game. It didn’t bring anything new or exciting to the table, but it was good at what it did.

Then 3 was just bad. It felt really cringey, in a “how do you do, fellow kids” kind of way. Like it was trying too hard.

And now 4 sounds like more of 3. The game sounds rushed, and the CEO’s attempting to cover for that rush makes him sound woefully out of touch. There’s no good reason that cel-shaded graphics should require a 5090 to run smoothly.

MushuChupacabra, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll avoid any controversy by not buying the game, and spending elsewhere.

chunes, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I’m so sick of bad performance from all the big engines these days. Even unity makes simple 2d games chug.

Quetzalcutlass,

That’s just the inherent cost of going with general purpose engines. They’ll always perform worse than specialized tech, but modern games are so complicated that custom engines aren’t really feasible anymore.

Unreal is the king of bloat. Rather than “general purpose” they strove for “all purpose” - Unreal Engine tries to do literally everything out of the box with as many bells and whistles attached as possible. The result is that Unreal Engine games require tons of optimization to run well, and even the editor itself consumes tens of gigabytes and runs like crap.

Unity is simply a mess of poor decisions and technical debt. Their devs seem to reinvent a crucial development pipeline every few years, give up halfway, then leave both options exposed and expect developers to just automatically know the pitfalls of each. Combined with horrific mismanagement and hostile revenue-seeking, Unity has lost a ton of goodwill over the past few years. It’s a major fall from grace for what was once the undisputed king of Indie dev engines.

Godot is tiny, decently performant, and great for simple games, but it’s very bare-bones and expects developers to implement their own systems for anything beyond basic rendering, physics, and netcode. Additionally, the core developers have a reputation for being incredibly resistant to making major changes even when a battle-tested pull request for a frequently requested feature is available. Still my personal pick though.

MushuChupacabra, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world avatar

Message received. Never pay for this game.

AdolfSchmitler, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

How tf do companies get to say this shit and still be in business?? Are there that many people who just blindly bend over and take it?? Don’t people have standards anymore?

Flamekebab,
@Flamekebab@piefed.social avatar

Most of their customers don't listen to them. Not hear and disregard, never listen in the first place. Have no interest in game industry gossip.

orca, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

So what I’m hearing is that it’s not even worth trying to play on a Steam Deck 😂

morbidcactus, (edited )

I did it for the hell of it, I think it had 60-80 fpm after the opening cutscene, literal slideshow experience.

There’s people on proton db claiming higher frames, but like 18-22 fps, def far from playable

sad_detective_man, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Let’s pretend that it runs. Would I even want to play it with the dialogue turned on?

djsoren19,

From the reviews I’ve seen, it actually seems like they listened to complaints about three and have toned down the cringey dialogue.

Of course, nobody can get the damn thing to run, so hard to independently verify, but it seems like this entry was meant to be a triumphant return to form, far closer to BL2 in tone and style than BL3.

It’ll maybe be worth checking out once the inevitable Game of the Year edition goes on heavy discount in like four years.

sad_detective_man,

Well that’s good then. Maybe it might make my “buy on sale” list. You’re right, not worth buying these until the dlc is all out and discounted

DieserTypMatthias, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash
@DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml avatar

This is how a game dies.

inclementimmigrant, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

So a 4070 is a leaf blower to this asshole.

Well I’ll gladly not buy this game then.

rem26_art, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game
@rem26_art@fedia.io avatar

in 3 years PC build guides are gonna be like "You need 3 drives in your gaming PC. One for the OS (this can be small, its not important), at least 2TB for games, and another 1TB for the shaders for those games. Oh and you'll need a top of the line Nvidia card because even a dumb UE5 asset dump game like Notary Simulator won't run on a budget card"

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Or just have DLSS run the game at 480p, but upscale it to 4k! You’ll never notice the difference we swear!

Shayeta,

For AAA games, that might be the case.

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