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style99, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

Oh, yeah. That reminds me. I still haven’t played Disco Elysium yet.

Ganbat,

I would personally recommend not purchasing it. Not saying don’t play it, but there’s no one who will profit from it who should.

DiabolicalBird, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

This has literally always been the case with Steam, the only difference is that people are told up front now. Things will likely continue to operate exactly the same as it has until now, I doubt Valve wants to disrupt the giant money train they have.

lud,

I would be surprised if it even was possible for them to change so that the games are bought. I suspect that would be quite complicated legally.

CaptnNMorgan,

It’s literally in the title that GOG does exactly that. Why would Steam’s hands be legally tied if GOG’s aren’t?

lud,

No, that isn’t what GOG is doing.

GOG is still only licencing games to you. They do offer you the opportunity to download an offline installer though.

kshade,
@kshade@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I know there is no mandatory DRM on Steam either, so if a publisher wants to they can just make their game be portable and not require Steam to even be installed. Pretty sure all the re-releases that use DOSBox or ScummVM are like this, for example.

lud, (edited )

Yeah there are loads of DRM free games on steam (mostly indies of course). Steam just offers a very basic (and easily bypassable if you know how) DRM to devs/publishers but they absolutely don’t need to use it.

CaptnNMorgan,

How is having an offline installer that can’t be taken away, not the same thing as owning?

lud,

Because you are still only licensed the game

CaptnNMorgan,

So, “licensed” is a legal term. Explain to me how being able to keep something forever, isn’t the same as owning?

lud,

I’m speaking in a legal sense. Please reread my original comment.

CaptnNMorgan,

But why couldn’t Steam “legally” offer offline installers the way gog does?

bender223, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

Chad GOG

ekZepp, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

As long as you understand the terms of your agreement with Steam as a platform, everything is fine. Physical media for games are outdated anyway, especially with frequent updates, patches, and DLC releases. Regarding older titles that are no longer supported, well, as the saying goes: “If buying isn’t owing…”

auzy, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

People use steam because it’s good service, and a good product.

In fact, they also gave Linux a boost

They also have things like cloud saving

Developers use them because apparently they have some awesome features too for things like multiplayer and such and a great API

lapislazuli,

I like steam as a user but it’s still proprietary software and I’m slightly concerned about what is going to happen when Gabe Newell steps down as president and ceo of Valve.

muhyb, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

I just wish GOG had regional prices like Steam does.

Annoyed_Crabby,

Yeah. And also choice not as wide as Steam exactly because of DRM free. Can’t buy monhunt or any of Capcom’s game on GOG. But if you want to play old game then GOG is the place to go, they make sure everything run.

asexualchangeling,

I just wish gog had Civ 2

Coasting0942, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

Steam should have taken the opportunity to recommend a gamer to GOG, mentioning that it’s only a license unfortunately. Or offer installers that can’t be taken away.

TheDoctor, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
@TheDoctor@hexbear.net avatar

I have every gog installer I’ve ever downloaded for this exact reason. You can’t rescind the bytes that are already on my drive.

ricecake, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

These articles are basically just advertising for GoG.
They have the same issues as steam does regarding only selling licenses, or not having inheritable or transferable accounts.

DRM free is great, but as a service they aren’t fundamentally different from steam. They just like to market themselves like they are.

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This has been posted a million times already, but I am still going to repeat it. Yes you are right, in their own legal docs they also only talk about licenses.

Difference for the consumer however is that you get the installation files which are supposed to work offline. Meaning if you take care to store that, it will not be gone ever, no matter if GOG goes down. With Steam this gets more complicated and may only work for some games.

ricecake,

I get that. DRM free is great and better. I just don’t like the advertisement that casts it as “you own the game”, or entire articles built around posts by their marketing department.
It feels very ambulance-chaser-y.

kurcatovium, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

If GOG are such a freedom heroes why do they rely on megacorp Windows OS? That’s what I like about steam - it makes gaming on linux dumb easy. And not just on linux, their “package” is ridiculously good - mods, cummunity, reviews, friends, non stop sales, mobile app (although I hate they removed chat to standalone app), and much, much more.

I’m not shitting on GOG. I love those guys, they brought back so much memories with reviving long forgotten games, I have hundreds of purchases there. But… it just needs a lite more polish (pun intended).

exu,

They really should deliver on their promise of making a Linux client.

kurcatovium,

Not sire how it’s now, but couple years ago that “new galaxy” thing felt like it was precisely crafted to NOT run on linux. I tried multiple ways to run it, but all of them were unstable, crashing and very laggy. The best one was through Bottles but still… Heroic came and was instantly way ahead.

trevor,

Yeah. I intentionally buy my games on Steam for ethical reasons because Valve contributes to a positive gaming ecosystem by making things run seamlessly on Linux.

GOG contributes to a negative gaming ecosystem by making Windows the “easy” option and not making use of Proton (or similar tech). Hopefully they fix that one day, but they don’t seem to care.

MangoPenguin,
@MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’d take a guess that from their perspective, putting all that time + money into developing and supporting a Linux version isn’t worth it when probably ~3% of the user base is using it.

AlexisFR, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

Ah, good old left wing groups self destroying and splitting up to irrelevance…

simple,

Life imitates art or somesuch.

Khrux,

Long before ZA/UM closed, I was certain that we’d never see a new game of that quality again from the same studio.

I’m not confident any of these new teams will pull it off, but I’d rather have four attempts than one.

FooBarrington,

Well, more like “left wing groups being destroyed by greedy capitalists”

ms_lane, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

Splitters

Denjin,

Where is the Popular ZA/UM these days Reg?

He’s over there

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Spitter!

Schmoo, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

It’s like ZA/UM exploded and left behind little fragments that are still alive somehow.

FloatingAlong, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

It’s The Death of Superman all over again.

zaphodb2002,

And similarly, all 4 of these are not the real deal. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for more games like this and I hope they’re good, but I will wait until Kurvitz and Rostov to be at the helm again before getting too excited.

ascense, (edited )

If nothing else though, Argo Tuulik’s blog post for Summer Eternal is worth a read. I love his writing style, and that post is unreasonably funny to me, but you can still tell there is a lot of meaning behind what he says. I suppose things hit hardest when presented in ridiculous over the top metaphor.

zaphodb2002,

Oh yeah, for sure. Don’t get me wrong, I hope these are good. I liked John Henry Irons, Superboy, and Eradicator as well, lol. Just not the original, and need to be able to stand on their own. I desperately want more games like DE but what I don’t want is a bunch of bad actors churning out bad clones sold on someone else’s good reputation. Not that I’m accusing any of these games of that, just that given ZA/UM’s current situation, it’s hard not to worry.

Subtracty, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

I’m excited for the inevitable 2 hour long youtube retrospective breaking these factions down in a few years.

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