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Sirico, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

Guess Larian just got a load of designers and writers. Such a shame as 5th ed was a real highlight, but now a lot of people seem to be heading back to pathfinder like the 4th ed days. Luckily, the Divinity universe can stand on its own and there’s a wealth of other tabletop rulesets waiting for their amazing adaptions

Ilflish,

I don’t think it’s too controversial to suggest that 5e mechanics are not the strength of BG3. It would be arguably praised more if it kept the world design of BG3 and replaced the combat to have the spell scope of DO2 with the basic actions of 5e (aka shove, which arguably BG3 tweaked anyway to make it fun in combat)

I’ll miss the design approach of the game but BG3 was just a big advertisement to how good a D:OS3 will be

Aqarius,

I agree. DOS2 was, mechanically, a superior game. Porting 5e into videogame format isn’t as clean.

Lesrid,

Revisiting DOS2 after playing BG3, the game feels like Splatoon: Painted surfaces everywhere, all the time.

caseyweederman,

I’m quite partial to FreeDOS myself.

Vyllenor,

Imo Solasta is a better implementation of 5e mechanics (aside from the lack of grappling improvised weapons), but BG3 story is undeniably better

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

This 1000 times.

Solasta (especially modded) is a much more pure 5e as video game experience.

BG3 is a much better game overall.

starman2112,

A chance to post that meme I made!

“Let me put it to you this way, Tav. You can buy better games than Solasta, but I like Solasta. Yes, it has a linear story, and the voice acting is rather stiff, and you can’t multiclass, but–it’s brilliant!”

I don’t actually know that I would say BG3’s story is undeniably better. It’s more polished, sure, and it’s more open-ended, but that doesn’t necessarily make it better. Granted I’m not done with it yet so I can’t say for sure, but I really like Solasta’s story, especially the second campaign.

I think there’s also something to be said about having four fully voiced player-made protagonists instead of one silent protagonist and a ton of NPC companions. There are scenes made up entirely of your party talking to each other. Which like, yeah, BG3 has that too, but Astarion and Shadowheart aren’t mine. Nora and Crag were. The writing isn’t as tight, the voice acting is relatively amateurish, but I like it.

Vyllenor,

The story in bg3 better, as it’s closer to tabletop experience. Ofc no video game ever will be as open to player’s choices as an actual living DM, but bg3 here is way better in that regard than solasta. Solving an encounter by convincing multiple people to kill eachother is amazing

I still like solasta more, as there’s just so many things in bg3 that infuriate me, like individual exp instead of party exp, and personal exp rewards for “background related” stuff, allowing for someone get ahead or behind the rest of the party on level ups. I was playing with my gf and let her be the party face, which made me about a quarter of a level behind by act 3. Or flight being a glorified dash.

starman2112,

I know it’s wrong, but I can’t help but be upset by the individual xp. Either I get jealous when my friends level up three hours before I do, or I feel guilty having a level on them for three hours. That shit does not fly at most tables, why would they think to include it in this game? Why isn’t there an option to share xp???

bionicjoey,

I made the change almost a year ago now after all the OGL nonsense they tried to pull and I honestly believe Pathfinder is a much more fun game. My entire table enjoys it more than 5e and they are a real variety of different player types.

CADmonkey,

I’ve almost bought DIvinity Original Sin a couple of times, is it any good?

k_mania,

If you like bg3 and that style of game, definitely worth it

OmenAtom,

Dos2 is really really good, if you like Larian games

Th3D3k0y,

I like Larian games they finish… Looking at your Tyranny!

SCB,

I prefer D:OS 1s story and played-through world to D:OS 2’s, but D:OS 2 has a lot more polish. Both are excellent games and worth your time.

Patches,

It’s slow like a TTRPG. If you liked Baldur’s Gate then you will like Divinity.

If one is too slow for you then you won’t like the other.

I personally can’t stand either but I’m not a TTRPG fan.

jandar_fett,

I have a hankering to go back to it regularly and I’m playing on the Switch so it is less smooth, but yes I am a forever fan of Larian Studioes after experiencing just a tithe of DOS:2. Hard to explain why it is so good, but the mechanics are creative, fun, and challenging. The story is epic and actually epic in scope and the characters are all so fleshed out and the voice acting is professionally done and immaculate. It is very open ended and very long but very very good.

jandar_fett,

This just reads to me that Divinity Original Sin 3 is on the far horizon. YES

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

But no Larian studios Neverwinter 3??? 😢

jandar_fett,

I’m so ready to get the kind of polish and mastery that BG3 has applied to a new game in the Divinity universe. I haven’t finished DOS3, not by a Longshot and don’t have time to play it, but it blew me away and I think about playing it again often. I will one day. It is daunting when you haven’t played a game like that in a while, to continue on. Especially on the harder difficulties lol RIP. Larian is the GOAT game studio up there with From Software and the Zelda team imo.

thorbot, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

CEO is aptly named, at least.

naticus,

I kept trying to figure out the joke about the name Swen Vincke and was failing. Cocks. It was right there in front of me everyone. It was Cocks.

MalachaiConstant,

Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks, for those of us who can’t help but read comments before reading articles

modus, do games w This fan-made HD PC port of Zelda: Link's Awakening is so cool I can't believe Nintendo hasn't taken it down yet

I created a torrent file for this game. Does anyone know a good place to post it?

Destraight, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

They are owned by Hasbro? Why?

Kakaofruchttafel,

Larian Studios is not owned by anyone. The Wizards of the coast team that Larian worked with has been laid off

krakenx,

TSR, which was the company that originally made D&D got bought by Wizards of the Coast, which made Magic the Gathering. Then Wizards got bought by Hasbro.

Every product you love has been acquired by a large company that got bought by a larger company and then turned to shit. Until the government stops blocking mergers and acquisitions, this trend will continue.

EssentialCoffee,

Let’s stop pretending T$R was a bastion of consumer values.

elephantium,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

IDK, I think this take is more “It went from bad to worse” rather than “TSR was a bastion of consumer values”.

Teodomo,

starts*, but yeah

Potatos_are_not_friends, do games w This fan-made HD PC port of Zelda: Link's Awakening is so cool I can't believe Nintendo hasn't taken it down yet

It’ll be gone within the next 48 hours now.

insomniac_lemon,
KeenFlame, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

But what about the poor CEOs? Did they get their Christmas bonus? Think of the children!!

grayman,

Thank you! The CEOs’ children need Maseratis, boarding school, college, jet fuel to pedo islands, and so many other necessities! We can’t let them suffer!

unreasonabro, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

stop whoring yourselves to these evil fuckups

rigatti, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

Hasbro continuing to make shit decisions on behalf of WotC, the only sector of the company keeping it afloat.

Osa-Eris-Xero512,

You see, if they fire everyone from the division, it'll make even more profit. ez

phoneymouse,

There’s no one there left to defend the IP, so they can do evil things. I’m guessing it’s as intended.

Lianodel,

Ah, the Jack Welch method.

(Seriously, fuck that guy. He was a pioneer among bloodsucking CEOS, and part of it was mass layoffs to boost short-term profits.)

MindSkipperBro12,

Honest question: what’s bad about firing the “bad performers”?

caseofthematts,

If they wanted to fire the “bad performers” then they’d be firing the CEOs and higher ranked people, not those actually making the products work.

kibiz0r,

Nothing, if that’s genuinely what you’re doing.

But it’s dangerous to incentivize it, because you get short-term gains by firing anyone, whether or not it’s the right long-term call.

It’s also just difficult to identify bad performers. Fundamental attribution error is a bitch. And because we’re really bad at seeing the entire system surrounding someone’s productivity, we tend to blame operator error only to find that the next operator we hire has the exact same problem.

Lianodel,

Exactly. It’s just goosing the numbers. The company made this much in profit, and the cost-cutting from firing people will save money immediately, so it looks great… on paper… for a little while. It doesn’t matter if the company is gutted, because the CEO and most of the investors will dip before things get too bad, and go onto the next thing. The employees will suffer and the customers will be upset, but CEOs don’t answer to them, they answer to shareholders, and shareholders just want the line to go up this quarter.

corytheboyd,
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  • ThugJesus,

    Barbie is Mattel, not Hasbro.

    corytheboyd,
    @corytheboyd@kbin.social avatar

    Fuck I mixed up my board game doll companies lol

    snor10,

    I think Barbie would like a word

    chiliedogg,

    That’s Mattel.

    squirrel,

    That’s Mattel. And one of the reasons why Hasbro looks so bad in comparison.

    half_built_pyramids, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

    For the likely large overlap this audience might have with dnd, it didn’t make 100mil a year so it gets to eat shit. It doesn’t help that the video game license isn’t counted in that total. Other Hasbro brands do make 100mil a year.

    I thought magic was one. It is surprising to see layoffs there.

    Anyway, of course a corporation does evil shit. The only moral is the line going up.

    Jiggle_Physics,

    MtG made over a billion dollars. From what I can see WotC, products/services/licenses, make up over 3 billion of Hasbro’s 5.something billion revenue.

    half_built_pyramids,

    Yeah, card crack is real. They’ve been whaling and getting kids into gambling since the 90s. Don’t know why lay offs there. Line go up just a little more probably.

    Diotima,
    @Diotima@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah, my partner really likes the art but we're both aware that MtG was just the real world precursor to the current micro-transaction culture.

    Holyginz,

    It’s not that. It’s that the fewer people they have to pay the more money they get to keep. It’s incredibly short sighted and self destructive. But they don’t care at this point.

    heyoni, (edited )

    That or they’re planning to lean on generative ai to produce content

    lorty,
    @lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

    IIRC they contract and credit the artists. I don’t think theyveven use any in-house srtists.

    caseofthematts,

    They’ve been caring less about artists and the community in recent years.

    At cons, they used to pay for artists hotels and give them free booths to set up, now artists get nothing and have to pay something like $750 for a booth.

    tmyakal,

    I think that’s more about WotC giving up on cons and tourneys than giving up on artists. If they’re having events at all, they’re not putting as much money into them as they used to.

    optissima,

    And the generative card properties?

    lorty,
    @lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

    You mean using AI to design the card’s mechanics? I’d like to think we are still a ways away from that, specially since they’d have to train their on model that adjusts not only for the text generated but what the actual card would do in a game. they could use it for french vanilla cards I suppose, but it’s not like those take a human that long to make anyway.

    optissima,

    I didn’t say they needed to be quality or anything, they just need to appear quality to corporate, as all the corps are starting to cannibalize staff at the idea of using LLMs. Corporate doesn’t play the game and doesn’t care about long term, just the short term gains.

    heyoni,

    1100 layoffs and they don’t use in house artists? I find that hard to believe but you might be right.

    DerisionConsulting,

    MTG used to have 2 or 3 releases a year. Enough to keep things fresh, but not an instance amount.

    When I was working in a Game Store in the Early 2020’s, there as more than one release a week, and a major release about once a month. They set the milking machine to maximum.

    Gullible, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

    I can only ask how much cocaine remained on the table when they finally decided to do this. Not much, I’d wager.

    joker125, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs

    Haven’t played BG3 but wtf sense does it make to layoff these team(s)?

    Plenty of people paid for the game and enjoyed it and it won GOTY.

    Kecessa,

    That’s two separate products and companies you’re thinking about…

    cam_i_am,

    You misunderstand. Larian is the company that made the BG3 video game, and they haven’t laid people off.

    However it’s a licensed game. Baldur’s Gate and D&D are IPs that are owned by a company called Wizards of Coast. And Wizards is owned by Hasbro. Hasbro is forcing layoffs at Wizards, specifically on the D&D team because it doesn’t print money as efficiently as say, Magic the Gathering does.

    The people at Wizards, i.e the people who actually make D&D are no doubt passionate wonderful people. But Hasbro (and probably some of the Wizards management) are awful corporate parasites determined to suck every last penny from their properties.

    They don’t give a shit how loved a product is, if it’s not making $100M per year then it’s basically worthless to them and they won’t fund it. So layoffs happen.

    Anticorp,

    then it’s basically worthless to them

    Cool. Make it independent again.

    sukhmel,

    No-o-o, because then it may make money for others, think about all the lost profits. Better shut them completely /s

    burgundymyr,

    This is sadly a much more likely scenario

    TheEighthDoctor,

    They laid off a lot of the MtG team as well.

    optissima,

    Those AI mtg generators probably got admin too rabid at the thought of not paying employees…

    Donebrach, do games w 'There's almost nobody left': CEO of Baldur's Gate 3 dev Swen Vincke says the D&D team he initially worked with is gone, due to Hasbro layoffs
    @Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

    “I felt your breath upon my neck; investors’ wants as cold as death.”

    Neon, do games w This fan-made HD PC port of Zelda: Link's Awakening is so cool I can't believe Nintendo hasn't taken it down yet

    anyone got the Link?

    Sirico,

    No Links just ZeldaJokes aside, Itch has a warning on the integrity of this.

    optissima,

    Likely a tip by Nintendo as legal collects themselves

    Caligvla, do games w This fan-made HD PC port of Zelda: Link's Awakening is so cool I can't believe Nintendo hasn't taken it down yet
    @Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Oh don’t worry, Nintendo has a death squad en route to the creator’s house in this very instant.

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Is Nintendo owned by Wizards of the Coast?

    520,

    No, but they are just as litigious when it comes to their IP

    nafri, do games w This fan-made HD PC port of Zelda: Link's Awakening is so cool I can't believe Nintendo hasn't taken it down yet
    @nafri@lemmy.world avatar

    keep it before nintendo ninja does their job

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