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Kolanaki, do games w My wacky game made it to 4000 wishlists, have a meme as a thank you :)
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Is this picture from a children’s Bible or from a Jojo story board? 🤔

Road_Warrior_10,

Sorry I can’t tell you. I just saw the meme and decided to re-edit it :)

Caesium, do games w My wacky game made it to 4000 wishlists, have a meme as a thank you :)

oh man I just recently got 500 wishlist games myself. and thats a running joke in my clan

Road_Warrior_10, (edited )

Yeah, haha. Glad we have the same funny feelings :D

CorrodedCranium, do gaming w Classic Microsoft
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MintyAnt,

Where’s the modded one? It’s like drugs, give me modded Minecraft, my body demands it

Andromxda,
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CorrodedCranium,
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Someone else linked one related modding but there are several other Minecraft communities that are more niche. There’s one specifically for seeds for example.

LodeMike, do gaming w Classic Microsoft

Java has had mod support for like 7 years now.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
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Does it have official support though?

Edit: To be clear this comment was referencing what OP’s post was likely trying to convey. Of course Minecraft has been moddable on Java for years but as the Minecraft help page says it isn’t officially supported. I know about data packs and their support/limitations.

LodeMike,

Yes. They’re called datapacks.

“Oh! Those aren’t mods!”

Well, they modify the game, so they’re mods.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
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Yeah what I was asking about is official support in Java; that’s probably what OP is referencing. I looked it up and the answer is no.

It’s a bit like saying Skyrim didn’t have mod support in 2011 when it released until 2017 when Creation Club content was added. Of course there were mods in 2011 but not officially supported ones.

altima_neo,
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Even though notch promised an sdk!

CorrodedCranium,
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When did he do that? I’m real out of the loop when it comes to modding Minecraft

altima_neo, (edited )
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Back in the alpha days

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

He says a lot of stuff, including a lot of stuff he shouldn’t. Jokes aside, his intentions were made clear when he bought out Bukkit than proceeded to tear it apart for the crime of being a better server hosting software than the garbage they had. Pretty cut-and-dry.

For those paying attention that was the first hint the guy might be a little bit of a nazi before he went completely mask-off on twitter.

Robmart,

What are you on about mate. The one who brought the whole bukkit project down was one of the bukkit developers not Mojang. The bukkit developer had contributed 1/3 of all code to the project iirc and protested that Mojang now owned bukkit and DMCA’d the entire thing to hell and back.

At that point it was easier to kill of bukkit and start over rather than to de-tangle and re-write 1/3 of the code.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

You think they might have had a reason to do that, something that had to do with them completely stiffing them out in the agreement? You’re acting like they were being unreasonable but this is just a continuation of the white man’s treaty, a tactic where you take a minority of a community, whoever’s the cheapest and buy them out, and then have them represent the entire community. That’s exactly what they did and if it wasn’t for the fact that they had a controlling stake in the project they would have gotten away with it too. Is it at all surprising that one of the developers who ‘played ball’ in the scheme ended up becoming the CEO?

As with all things, if you zoom out and squint you can see the reality of the situation; and what you see is a capitalist organization shutting down a project that wasn’t even competing with them or even a threat because they weren’t under their absolute control. All capitalists do this, and it’s the biggest reason why capitalism is such a dysfunctional and shitty system where inferior products end up as monopolies, by simple dint of hunting down and killing or assimilating anything better than them.

SeekPie,

Also texture/resource packs are also technically mods, because you are modifying the game’s resources and packs are officially supported.

LodeMike,

Yes

ech,

“Mod Support” means (or at least, it used to) the game has structures in place to allow modifications, not that the company is paywalling mods that they “approve”. I’m not sure what the latter is called, but I’m quite sure there’d be a massive uproar if MS/MJ did that for java edition. I know I’d never play the game again, that’s for sure.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
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I never thought adding a paywall was necessary. I was more thinking along the lines of a game being made easier to mod and its developers embracing the idea of modding like you kind of mentioned. This could be done by releasing tools to make it easier like Cities: Skylines 2’s recently released editor and Hatred adding Workshop support. I don’t know if official mod support Java would entail something like a built in mod manager, updates to improve modding capabilities, or some kind of universal package for mod files.

This doesn’t need to be done through a service that the developer has any control over. SimCity 2000 had a Build Architect Tool players could use in the mid 90s and sites like ModDB and the Nexus exist.

I’m not sure what the latter is called, but I’m quite sure there’d be a massive uproar if MS/MJ did that for java edition. I know I’d never play the game again, that’s for sure.

There will always be the option of raw dogging files into the game directory or developing external tools like people did with Mass Effect.

Omega_Haxors,

Kiiind of? Data packs come pretty close and don’t have the massive security issue of just allowing people to execute random jars at root.

anas,

They did release official mappings

joyjoy, do gaming w Classic Microsoft

They saw an opportunity to charge for mods on consoles.

Omega_Haxors,

Famously always goes over well.

CorrodedCranium, do gaming w Classic Microsoft
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I’m honestly surprised they’re still updating Java edition

MentalEdge, (edited )
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That’s the version people actually play, and which has the furthest developed systems to do bigger stuff. Look up PaperMC, it enables some wild stuff for Minecraft multiplayer.

The server options available for multiplayer in Bedrock are truly pathetic in comparison.

CorrodedCranium,
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I know. I’ve seen a lot of videos on the differences between Java and Bedrock, how Bedrock came to be, modding on Java like Feed The Beast, and multiplayer servers like 2BT2 (for those that don’t know FitMC has some good vidoes on 2B2T; it’s a neat rabbit hole to go down if you want to kill sometime).

What I am saying is I am surprised that Microsoft is still updating Java when there’s so much money to be made nickle and diming players in Bedrock edition. Like paying for skins for example. It would definitely piss off a lot of the player base but I don’t know if it would cause them to lose money in the long run. I imagine a lot of casual players are content using Bedrock and unaware of why Java is important.

dustyData,

Minecraft is already on the way out of the Zeitgeist of cultural relevance. The minecraft audience is mostly nostalgic grown ups now. Bedrock is kept alive by parents trying to have quality time with their kids on a safer or easier to maintain server space. The truly passionate and obsessed users, doing crazy and innovative stuff to their servers are still on Java edition. Kill Java and you kill Minecraft for all practical intents and purposes.

Kids are playing roblox now anyways.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
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I feel like Minecraft surges in popularity pretty regularly. As long as people continue streaming it and posting videos of it I think that’ll remain the same. I don’t know if someone who is looking for a taste of what they saw online will know the limitations of Bedrock. They might just pick it up because it’s available on whatever platform they use.

I suppose killing Java might put a stop to the content that is being created with Minecraft and that might cause it lose its relevance but I don’t know if a majority of content creators are using Java or Bedrock.

dustyData,

Streamers almost exclusively use Java. There are certain popular games and mods that are only possible and/or easier to setup on JE. Achievement Hunter was one of the rare channels that used the console version at first and even them changed to the JE eventually. But they are not relevant anymore, weren’t for some time before their closure. Hyper massive servers, custom maps, automated gamerules with scripts, most of those things that make Minecraft creative and interesting to watch exist only on the JE.

CorrodedCranium,
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Achievement Hunter is what made me wonder. I knew they used Java for Galacticraft but I thought they used Bedrock for pretty much everything else.

I also don’t know how popular streaming Bedrock multiplayer servers is. I think they are called Realms.

dustyData,

The service for JE is called Realms and for Bedrock it’s Realms Plus. Certain server side mods aren’t possible on bedrock.

Wooki,

Nah.

Distance horizons is amazing.

Never seen so much buzz thanks to distance horizons and now every shader is building in compatibility to make some truely stunning visuals. Let alone the insanely amazing mods packs and general content!

dustyData,

It’s funny you bring that up. Because it’s par for the course. Bedrock is the prettier Minecraft, but JE is the gameplay Minecraft. Flashy shaders and shitty LOD have their splash for a few days. But ultimately they are not what Minecraft is about. Same thing happened with ray tracing. People think they want to play with those things because they’re shiny, but then they realize their old hardware can’t run it without lag, so they go back to their obby maps and squid game servers that look like shit but run at 60fps and are actually fun.

Wooki,

I agree for shaders, but distant horizons brings a level of immersion i have no felt to the game in a long time. Add this with the mod packs and its so good! (Ages fan here)

Retrograde,
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I mean, I’m running high detail shaders and distant horizons and my game runs like butter, as does my partner’s who has a 2060 ti.

You’d be amazed how well fabric java Minecraft can run. For me there is zero point in even entertaining the idea of using bedrock.

I also run a java server with the geyser mod which means that bedrock players can play on it if they need to.

Java will always be the superior Minecraft version.

Jakeroxs,

I wonder how many times I’ve seen people say Minecraft is out of relevance and yet…

dustyData,

I didn’t say it is out of relevance. I said it is on its way out of cultural relevance. As in, it’s slowly dwindling over time. Nothing extremely popular disappears over night. It will take decades. And it’s not that I don’t like it, I bought Minecraft on alpha 1 and something. 14 years ago. Have played every single update until recently, and played almost everything it has to offer.

However much I love it, I can also recognize that it is no longer like the heyday of popularity around 2015, when the default YouTube page was plastered with Minecraft let’s plays, and the only non-Minecraft streamers on the newly minted Twitch brand were WoW players and speed runners. Kids are no longer making Minecraft fanfic comics, and there’s fewer Minecraft themed birthdays. Again, the average Minecraft player has a higher chance of having kids by now than being a kid themselves.

Telodzrum,

Kids are all playing Bedrock on their Switches and iPads. Microsoft is just passing the long game.

lazycouchpotato,
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Java is quite popular online due to all the mods and the videos people upload to YouTube using those mods, but I believe in terms of number of users, Bedrock outscores it quite a bit. The barrier to entry is lower – $7 on iOS/Android and most people have phones.

vox,
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actually bedrock servers are way more capable, bedrock has proper reconnect packets, custom ui frameworks (i.e. servers can do proper themed guis that look fucking awesome instead of relying on chests) and custom 3d models.

reddithalation,

which they sell to you through microtransactions

vox,
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???
this has nothing to do with my comment

reddithalation,

I’m just saying that yes bedrock (and it’s server) may have better mod features, but the mods end up being sold on the minecraft marketplace or whatever anyway. Yes you can download and install mods for free, but I bet the majority of players just buy them.

vox, (edited )
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I’m talking about features available to server software, not addons.

bedrock servers can use custom 3d models natively, build fully custom native uis (instead of relying on chests) and reconnect players to other servers without resorting to terrible hacks like on the java edition
also bedrock server software itself is objectively much more efficient, there’s no point of even comparing it to the java server software, even unofficial servers like papermc.

It’s the main reason why cubecraft’s CTF mode is severely limited on the java edition, they basically crippled it just to allow the server to keep up

yes, the marketplace sucks ass but my point still stands.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

People already pirate Java to shit, if they made it unavailable than that immediately legitimizes all of it under the game preservation argument.

CorrodedCranium,
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Does FFA stand for free for all?

Omega_Haxors,

I used better language this time

interdimensionalmeme,

Any argument in favour of respecting the minecraft copyright went out the window wheb The Hated One sold out the playerbase to microsoft for two billions.

Yeah, open source it you FUCK !

pleasejustdie, do games w My wacky game made it to 4000 wishlists, have a meme as a thank you :)

I think I remember seeing RCE play the demo of this, I thought it looked like great fun and planned to play it when it released :) Then promptly forgot about it >< But its on my wishlist now.

Road_Warrior_10,

RCE

I’m not familliar with that channel but I hope they liked it. And thank you for the wishlist! It means a lot :)

pleasejustdie, (edited )

I looked up the video, the game he actually played was a different one called “The Corridor”

I think you and them both came up with a similar concept, Stanley Parable-like narrative game about pushing a button. And both are described as Stanley Parable-Like about a button, so it looks like I probably confused the two games. I’m still going to get it when its done though.

RCE is Real Civil Engineer.

Road_Warrior_10,

I’ve actually watched a full playtrough of The Corridor to make sure there aren’t similar stuff and I’m pleased to say both games are very very different. For my game The Button is a starting point but it goes in some very weird directions. Currently working on a new level as we speak :D

pleasejustdie,

Awesome! Well, I will definitely be playing it when you release it.

Road_Warrior_10, do games w My wacky game made it to 4000 wishlists, have a meme as a thank you :)

The game is kind of inspired by The Stanley Parable and you can expect the same silliness. I posted here about it a few months ago and people seemed to like it. Here is the Steam link: <a href="">https://store.steampowered.com/app/2336120/Do_Not_Press_The_Button_To_Delete_The_Multiverse/</a>

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rockstarmode, do edc w A Gentleman of Leisure's EDC

Looks great, especially with the cigar. I’m in the US, so my preference would need a pistol and a few mags.

fiend_unpleasant,
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I carry often but not everyday so I won’t include it in posts about my edc

vext01, do edc w A Gentleman of Leisure's EDC
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I have that Stanley screwdriver.

fiend_unpleasant,
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I have had it for years, its well loved

aluminium, do gaming w This is why god invented transmog

It looks cool though :D

MonkderZweite, do gaming w This is why god invented transmog

Witcher 3, midlevel Geralt.

starman2112, do gaming w This is why god invented transmog
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Recieved special weapon that perfectly fits the empty niche in my loadout

Have to spend 8 hours grinding out machine parts and kill ten of those fucking tortoises to upgrade it

Hazmatastic, do gaming w This is why god invented transmog

Me in cyberpunk. Iconic weapons are just decoration for my pad 99% of the time. The only one I use is the upgraded starter pistol

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