I wanna believe things are getting better. I have had women speak in my dota games a few times recently and havent seen anything weird. Though to be fair, the average age of dota player is pretty high. so maybe this is why.
I think this is the main reason. Without googling anything I’d say the average age of a dota 2 player is at least 19 (if not more) compared to 14-15 for other games.
I haven’t played for a couple years but from what I remember out of thousands of hours playing I only heard a woman speak a small handful of times, it was always very surprising
Oh I’m not saying a female player is common, all I’m saying is that people don’t treat them poorly. I have played with a girlfriend a couple of years ago and we had zero poor interactions. There are toxic people but they are toxic towards everyone. Nothing specific to female players.
DOTA 2 gave me a Stalker on Steam. Also a lot of inappropriate comments and insults. You also get automatically blamed more. I only play with friends now.
If you wanted everything in the video game to mimic your real life, just go outside. Video games have always existed as an escape, to put ourselves into a situation we’d normally never find ourselves in, to live a life we can’t in the real world. If pretending to be gay for a few hours threatens your sexuality in a way that pretending to be a superhero for a few hours doesn’t threaten your abilities, maybe that says more about your sexuality than it does about the game?
So many non-plumber people who were forced to play as plumber in Super Mario games. So many humans were forced to play as undead and orcs in WoW. Imagine the torture!!!
The generic white muscled male, who can do anything the plot throws at him (with only a bit of fake struggle), and gets the girl at the end, is so damn overdone in every media. People talk about characters being Mary Sue when John Sue is way more common.
I want variations in my fiction! All kinds of genders, preferences, cultures, opinions, and species. The only rule I have is for the fiction never to encourage cruel acts IRL.
I’d say the avatar series in general is good at having diverse characters who are complex. I know Korra gets a lot of shit but I personally really liked that they tried to have an avatar actually suffering from mental illness.
That was a coincidence, I’ve just started watching it! Season 2 now. Love it so far. But Sokka don’t deserve being such a buttmonkey, considering how often he is right.
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Just don’t have insurance. They come after you but after they get enough(~$1k) they’ll leave you alone. My current dentist charges a max of $1k to people who are out of pocket. I got all 4 of my wisdom teeth out with conscience sedation for $1k flat. I worked in IT/DB at a dentist for a few years and people were paying $2-3k for the same with insurance.
I personally don’t understand the whole thing of a fictional character in a video game where there is absolutely no romance anywhere having a preference. I don’t care whether my character in a game like Borderlands is straight, gay, lesbian, or anything in between so long as I can pop the heads off my enemies.
Okay, but then leave it ambiguous and let people think of the character whatever they want. It doesn’t matter if doomguy was gay, it matters that he slays
LGBT people deserve explicit representation as much as cishet people do, and cishet representation is all over media
Even if there’s a LGBT coded character people will fight to death to say that they’re actually very straight and that the degenerates are attacking them personally
The ratio of representation is off, because the ratio of clientele is off.
When the demand grows, demand from actual paying customers, the representation will rise. Get more diverse people playing and creating games, and you’ll get more diverse games.
Forcing representation has never helped any group, ever.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but my question would be how to quantify the number of LGBT characters/games. If we assume LGBT people comprise about 10% of the population, we would expect about 10% of the content should reflect that perspective/experience. To argue that LGBT content should be actively encouraged and expanded, one would have to demonstrate some kind of data regarding the relative prevalence of LGBT content, no?
Or is that point moot, because you believe it’s a desirable outcome to have an inflated media presence due to the fact that the LGBT community is a minority? I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that either, but it’s a very different argument than fighting for equal representation.
It seems to me that you’re the one doing some weird gay ratio calculus. As far as I’m concerned, there is plenty of LGBT representation in video games and LGBT creators and consumers are perfectly able to create and consume all sorts of content that suits their sexual preferences. Sexuality can be emphasized or it can be minimized, depending on the individual preferences of the creators and consumers.
But you think that this state of affairs is problematic, and that we need to be making a strong effort to make sure that video game characters are explicitly stated to be LGBT as much as possible. Feels pretty egocentric; your obsession with having characters in media reflect your own traits would seem to indicate a difficulty empathizing with people from other groups with different experiences.
You can have whatever headcanon you like, but imagining that fictional characters are gay and getting angry when others don’t indulge your fantasy doesn’t seem like the most enjoyable activity. Just let everyone interpret art however they want. Thank you for your cooperation.
Why do I think that? Because that’s how a capitalist market works.
Demand creates potential value. And no game developer would leave potential value untapped.
If there were a few really bestselling LGBT games, others would hop on the wagon, the market will get saturated for a while, and then it levels out a bit and some good concepts remain.
And then of the characters significant other is important? Like they complained about Spimer-Man 2, despite the playable characters not even being gay. We know that because we know who they are after.
It Takes Two. Me and my boyfriend played it. Beautiful game. Loved it. Plan to wait a few years and play it with him again. It’s about a straight couple. I can’t imagine how that game would work if we didn’t know that. Like I guess we could keep stretching the argument to “Well they could be bi”, I guess. We don’t need to know that. But it kind of helps to know they’re married to know the story. Otherwise it’s gonna get weird with the kid involved.
We don’t have to try and out progressive everyone for everything. A story can have a romance and we can see the romance and we can know who they’re dating and we can know they’re sexuality. None of this is the issue.
Your example would make sense in Doom. Sure. I’ve literally never seen anyone ask for it in doom. It’s a terrible example because it’s not that kind of game.
But for many games where the story is actually a big part, and not for games like Doom where the story really doesn’t matter, it’s fine. We can still celebrate love in really any shape or form(thats not harmful). If a game wants to avoid it, thats also fine. Once again, not arguing every game needs it. But if that’s the story, that’s the story, and it seems pointless to be angry that you know who a character is dating.
The movement for queer acceptance isn’t for people to be hush hush and for us to make the closet bigger to invite straight people in. It’s to get people out.
That’s an interesting one because I actually always headcannon doom guy as gay ever since I was a kid and it was just being silly, always pictured him as a badass marine that loves sucking cock and he’s fighting his way to hell because his bf died and was sent there.
Duke Nukem on the other hand was explicitly hetro which is fun, I would have also enjoyed in a different game a character like the duke who was aggressively homosexual or even better a good representation of a ego obsessed badass power bottom that has all sorts of fun quips like ‘I’m here to suck cock and kick ass, and I already drained everyone’s balls…’ it would be silly, fun, and we could have lots of shots of his toned butt and stuff… But no, thirty years later and people are still scared of fun. Sad.
In the US there exists a system where you have to pay for healthcare up to a certain value, beyond which insurance covers the costs. It’s common to have this deductible reset every year.
Like what the fuck is wrong with the US and why are we so certain that stuff that works in the rest of the world is a fantasy (guaranteed maternity leave; the metric system; debt-free medical care)?
B.bbbb-but if I see it then I might catch The Gay! We all know that the moment you see or hear anything even remotely related to lgbtq+, you checks flash cards immediately burst into dance while singing Queen and waving a pride flag.
I play a woman named Vala (Mal Doran) or Adria in 99% of the games that let me customize. Because every other game I’ve played is always a generic male character doing generic action things.
“I’ve seen that movie played that game before” - Jordan Peele, if he were a gamer.
if i’m exposed to lgbt content i might be forced to confront that my repressed attraction to hairy man ass actually means i’m gay, and that’s much too frightening a prospect
Its more so none of us complain that we play straight characters. Because it’s not a big deal. We get straight people exist. We don’t hate straight characters. So if we can do it and be perfectly fine and not feel like it’s being shoved down our throats, then why can’t straight people play gay characters? Yall get the vast majority. Just play this one with a gay character.
Or don’t. Theres thousands of games that come our every year. So much that I could make a list of games that have come out in the last 2-3 years I was excited for, never got around to, and will probably never play, because as an adult I just don’t have the time to play all the games I want to.
We have so many, that if yall stopped focusing on the one few with gay characters, you can find plenty of others to enjoy. Why bitch and moan once we get a game with gay characters?
Half the time it’s not even main characters. I remember seeing YouTubets throwing a fit because one side mission has you help a male high-school student ask another boy out to prom. Completely optional. Easily skip able. You do the mission, and them move on. And that was too much. It’s not even when we have a main character. It’s when we exist.
Boulders Gate 3. The option for a queer character is there. The option is too much.
Boulders Gate 3. The option for a queer character is there. The option is too much.
Could you elaborate? I only ask because i havent installed the game yet and dont understand what you mean and would like to know how it will affect game play. What does too much mean here?
Much appreciation if you do answer but thanks anyway for saying something if you dont want to.
No problem. Basically I also saw posts about how BG3 was also “woke”, not just because you can play as a woman, but also because you can romance anyone(or at least the main NPCs). So you can be straight, gay, lesbian, or even romance multiple people and be bi. It’s all an option and you’re not forced to romance anyone if you don’t want to. But just the option being there was enough to get people to throw a fit. Even though having plenty of options is kind of the point of the game.
This game takes it a step further during character customization than most do. You get to choose body type (as in feminine vs masculine, though they don’t call it that), voice, genitals, and gender (pronouns). And none of these things are tied to any of the others. They can all be mixed and matched however you see fit.
The only way these affect gameplay is just how people refer to your character in dialogue, and what your character model looks like in the cut scenes.
First one as well. Ellie is gay. Confirmed in the dlc for the first game, the last of us 2 has Ellie in a relationship with a bi woman and there’s also a trans character in it.
I was thinking the same thing, I imagine there’s an indie game or two out there but the dude bros probably aren’t playing those. Celeste came to mind but that’s not a gay protagonist so much as a trans one.
Celeste is also one of those games where the story has nothing to do with the character’s sexuality, and you wouldn’t know if you didn’t look it up.
In Hades on the other hand, Zagreus is as bi as… an ancient Greek demigod, I suppose. You can romance a female Fury who loves strappy leather and whips, or the literal God of Death. Or both at the same time, even.
However I feel like those who could have judged it may have given it a free pass because, well, it is ancient Greece.
I have to admit I saw it through with Dusa partly because he’s the only person who’s nice to her at all, and partly because I was really hoping for a gratuitous pun about him “wanting to get some head” preferably delivered by Meg, lol
I honestly find it more awkward when you play a woman who has to have sex with a man. It seems to be the default that female protagonist are lesbian or just never fuck at all.
Assassin’s Creed Odyssey was especially jarring. Cutscene, suddenly you’ve had a kid. What?
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