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Aceticon, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

Welcome to the world of making software for random people, almost certainly made worse by she being a woman.

As others pointed out, most people do appreciate it, but they tend to be silent about it, whilst a small minority are demanding little whinny bitches (in a non-gendered way) who think they’re owed service and some are even trolls.

To those reading this, I suggest when you get something you like for free you at least give some feedback that you liked it and, if the person has some kind of sponsoring scheme going on and you really like it, consider contributing, if only to incentivise more of the same.

Those on the other side are people too and they will appreciate it.

Silentiea,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Welcome to the world of making software for random people, almost certainly made worse by she being a woman.

I first read this and thought you were saying the software was almost certainly made worse and got all indignant then parsed it a second time and relaxed

RememberTheApollo_, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

IMO the vast majority of people that use community mods are pretty thankful and just enjoy them despite any issues the mod has so long as overall it works well. They just play and keep their mouths shut.

There are a few that offer real and constructive criticism.

And the rest are the vocal trolls that just hate on everything. Unfortunately if they aren’t “fucking your mother last night” on whatever game chat you might be on they’re busy trashing on the “unplayable” game they’ve spent 500 hours playing in the last several months or on the forums berating the modders’ efforts. They’re just hateful people and hating on women in general is par for the course, if one dares participating in gaming they’re just another target for their shitty incel behavior.

obbeel,

I think the gaming community being made of socially awkward, isolated and unemployed people doesn’t help the scenario. But I think there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Smoogs,

If you’re assumed to be a male, the trolls attack you if you don’t carry them. Fine, move on.

If they find out you’re female, they attack you just for existing. You can move on but It is relentless.

There is a difference in gaming experience when it comes to trolls.

RememberTheApollo_,
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

I wasn’t debating that at all.

Smoogs,

Maybe not in your opinion but using an IMO for reductivism/dousing down a topic isn’t exactly an empathetic ally move.

black_lugia, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

“gamers as a whole”

leave me out of this i didnt do anything.

Beardsley, (edited )

The sentiment is that we all have a responsibility to hold our community accountable for this type of behavior.

You can disagree, it is likely a matter of philosophy. I feel a responsibility to try to put more positive influence to the world, and to call out harmful actions. Not everyone does, that is fine too, albeit a little sad.

Track_Shovel,
@Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net avatar

Lol you’re getting downvoted for having a rational viewpoint and wanting something you care about and enjoy to be safe for other humans to enjoy it too.

How fucking dare you

Beardsley, (edited )

Lolol. Win some, lose some, it doesn’t really matter. I made my point and am satisfied with that; it’s anyone’s right to disagree with me.

And if I am in the wrong for wanting a better community, then the state of humanity just makes me a little more sad. Far from surprised, however.

“Your boos mean nothing to me, I’ve seen what makes you cheer!”

black_lugia, (edited )

i don’t disagree, call out the [HYPERLINK BLOCKED] for being [ALONE ON A LATE NIGHT], but please word it better.

there is that better?

Beardsley,

Not even being sarcastic; I am completely open to suggestions and constructive criticism.

That’s a pretty harmful word though, my guy, kind of antiquated. There are better insults, like “cock-brained” or “silly stupid little groundfuckers”, to name a few suggestions.

BarrelAgedBoredom,

"word your comments better"

  • the guy using slurs
Flamekebab,
@Flamekebab@piefed.social avatar

"Our community" feels a bit monolithic. It's like saying "film watchers" or "readers". Lumping anyone that plays video games regularly into a single social group feels unhelpfully reductive.

gofsckyourself,

The problem is as prevalent and pervasive as the gaming community as a whole, which is most definitely monolithic.

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

we all have a responsibility to hold our community accountable for this type of behavior.

Much like the “teach men not to rape” sentiment, the ones that will listen weren’t the problem in the first place. If the people that need to be called out were reasonable, they wouldn’t need to be called out, they don’t see what they’re doing as wrong. So we’re just screaming into the void.

Beardsley,

So, I’m not trying to be severe here, but your argument implies you would watch someone be raped without intervening. Your argument falls apart for me with that context. Someone has to yell into the void, it’s something more than letting the problem fester unabated.

The ones who will listen need to learn to speak. Otherwise, why are listeners paying attention at all?

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

My argument doesn’t imply that at all. My argument is that you can’t reason with the unreasonable. You absolutely should say or do something about these people in the moment, but its extremely rare for them to realize they were in the wrong.

Telling someone on a forum that the way they’re treating a creator is wrong is not at all comparable to catching someone during a rape, and implying that because I think trying to reason with an internet troll is useless means I’d just let a rape happen is disingenuous.

Duamerthrax, (edited )

I’m not a gamer. I play games, but I’m not a Gamerᵀᴹ. I noped out of the “community” a long time ago.

I’m a little curious where she’s getting the harassment from. If it’s from twitter, I don’t know what to tell her. It’s designed to amplify hate and anxiety. If it’s from lan parties or irl shit, yeah, I haven’t experienced it, but I have seen that to a degree.

edit: Wait. Is the “harassment” coming from needy fans asking her to tweak her work for their liking? That’s a little different from what I assumed this was about. I’m not going to side with the community nagging her for tweaks, but if she’s creating this for herself, she needs to disengage from those types. If she’s creating these mods, putting them out online and expecting only positive comments, I don’t know what to tell her. This is something all big modders and have to deal with.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

The article glosses over the sexual harassment until the end. She says that pictures of her were distributed on discord and mentions the daily harassment and sexualization from the community.

Duamerthrax,

Yeah and someone else in this threat brought up that there’s another side to the discord drama. Frankly, this case is too messy to untangle. I can’t tell if she’s being completely honest or if all this could have been prevented of she set better boundaries. Regardless, I don’t think it speaks to the greater issues in “gaming culture”.

blind3rdeye,

I’ve been a great fan of gaming for my entire long life. But I don’t play online games any more, because so many gamers are toxic. Obviously there are good individuals and some good outposts, but taken as a whole it is a toxic community.

buddascrayon,

i didnt do anything.

Exactly. Hence why the assholes get away with driving good people out. Maybe if people stood up and told the trolls to STFU and instead defended these people they wouldn’t be forced out of the community.

black_lugia,

Blame me for something someone else did why dont you.

blame me for not forming a lynch mob why dont you.

blame me for not knowing this ws even happening.

people wonder why other people check out from communities and just go “oh” when they hear this shit is happening.

again.

leave me out of this ,i didnt do anything.

marcie, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment
@marcie@lemmy.ml avatar

the boob jiggle physics are genuinely ridiculous on this mod, i just watched the preview. gamers are brain broken

Cowbee, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Gam*rs need reeducation.

CoolMatt,

Is gamer a swear word now too?

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Always has been 😎

CoolMatt,

Oh

WatDabney, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

This broad dynamic isn’t new and it isn’t unique either to gaming or to men. Every single creative volunteer community on the net is filled with assholes and drama llamas, of any and all genders. It’s just the nature of the thing. You see the same things over and over with game modding, cracking, romhacking, emulation, manga scanlation, anime fansubbing, vocaloid production, mmd modeling, fanfic, fanart, and so on and on.

People often (generally?) are willing to invest the time and energy into whatever it is that they’re going to post online at least in large part because they crave the attention they hope it will bring, and specifically, they want to be lauded for their talent and skill.

And that often runs up against the fact that an awful lot of the responses they’re going to get are going to come from self-absorbed and entitled assholes bitching because they don’t like whatever it is that they’re getting for free, and think they have to be accommodated.

And very often, the response from the creator, unsurprisingly really, is to effectively (or even literally) say, “Fine then - fuck you all. I’m done.”

And 'round and 'round it goes, and has from the start, and likely will never stop. It’s just an unfortunate but pretty much inevitable clash between a personality type that’s likely to create and share something online for free and a personality type that’s likely to comment on something somebody else created and shared with them for free.

Fuzzy_Red_Panda,

I don’t disagree with you but I feel that it is important to recognize and call out the misogyny element in this story. The gaming community has a pervasive sexism problem that’s normalized, and that part is unique in that it all comes from men.

I have only ever played three games online. The first was Final Fantasy XI, and I was part of a group/guild with nice people. It was fun!

The next was Team Fortress 2 because my husband wanted me to play with him. The vitriol and misogyny hurled at me over voice chat after two matches made me never play again.

The last was Destiny, and I turned off voice chat completely.

WatDabney,

but I feel that it is important to recognize and call out the misogyny element in this story

I don’t.

I think that countering misogyny with misandry is rather obviously a losing strategy.

Fuzzy_Red_Panda,

How was it countered with misandry?

WatDabney,

I don’t want to hammer on this really, because I think you mean well, but…

You’re not condemning the specific assholes who treated you poorly - you’re condemning “men” generally. Your point and your focus isn’t that they were assholes, but that they were men, as if that’s the actual problem - as if their failure isn’t being assholes, but simply being men.

I don’t know if that’s your actual view, but that is the way it comes across. And broadly, that view is part of the problem, since it alienates men who deserve no blame and diverts attention from those who do. And that’s exactly what I meant when I said that countering misogyny with misandry is a poor strategy.

korbel, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

Reading the article, this is a typical case of burnout. It’s happening to every artist, content creator, modder, foss developer, etc. On the long term we all have to find a balance or we won’t last long. And tbh, just learn to ignore the trolls and focus on the positive things and your passion or they will win. You can’t take them seriously. It seems the person in the article has already found herself another passion project and could throw away the suffocating chains of responsibilty and something she did not enjoy anymore and move on. I think instances like these really show us we are all just humans and we should appreciate the things we are given.

Arbiter, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

Man, gaming communities are so fucking toxic.

original_reader,

I agree. !nomanssky is a pleasant exception.

ano_ba_to,

I didn’t know they’re here. I only go to reddit for the coordinates exchange sub. Thanks!

original_reader,

They could use some more engagement, but they’re a pleasant bunch. AFAIK.

sukhmel,

Now I want to start playing NMS, I’ve had it in my backlog for a while

Delphia,

I put wheels on my car which are a cheap copy of a very popular wheel because they were $500 not $2000 and I dont race. Every car meet someone has to comment that Im running “fakes” and try to give me a hard time about it. Yeah, Ive got a mortgage and a kid. Fuck off with your Supreme snapback ass hypebeast bullshit. I’m building the car I can afford.

People are toxic, even communities who preach peace and love as their doctrine have people who will whip out the moral-cock ruler and start shit over who is more peaceful and loving.

LongboardingLad, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

Stuff like this is why I don’t tell people I game. The Gamer Stink is real and I don’t want to be guilty by association. Seriously, go touch grass. The things that you’re denigrating someone else for are pixels and code on a computer. Find some way to not be garbage humans.

Her music is interesting. Hope she ends up happier

SocialMediaRefugee, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

It is bad enough having gamers online foaming at the mouth like you just stabbed their mom when you make a mistake in a group.

SendMePhotos, (edited ) do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

“I poured many years of my life into this, just to feel empty. In quitting, I have found my real passion, and have been obsessively working on music. I’ve even released my first ever album, SPIDERWEB PRINCESS, which is filled with my darkest, most genuine feelings from all of my experiences. Nothing I’ve ever done has ever been so meaningful to me. I have so much of myself to share with the world, and I’d much rather be remembered for something I actually enjoy.”

Apparently her new passion is music. SPIDERWEB PRINCESS

pech,

Thank you for showing me this, she rocks.

SendMePhotos,

Yeah it’s pretty neat.

FIST_FILLET, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

i’m sorry that you have to deal with the outfall of this, OP. gamers are notoriously the most overly sensitive group to generalize, even when they’re meant to think “i recognize that this is pointing out bad apples in my community”. instead, they immediately start defending themselves as if you specifically named them

the sane response is to go “wow that is awful. the gaming community does indeed contain some terrible people, i am glad to be one of the good ones and will distance myself from this behavior”

PowerCrazy,

the sane response is to go “wow that is awful. the gaming community does indeed contain some terrible people, i am glad to be one of the good ones and will distance myself from this behavior”

I’d say the saner response is none at all. This seems like a pretty niche community issue somewhere on the internet involving at most <100 people. I doubt anyone here is closer then 3 degrees of separation from anyone involved. Why would you expect any of the outsiders here to “take a stand,” based on incomplete information?

vrek,

Yes, but how many of these niche communities are there? Hell, lemmy itself is a niche community and everybody here should take a stand against this sort of stuff occurring here.

PowerCrazy,

On here I’d 100% agree, though if some member here got into some kind of discord drama that you weren’t apart of, why would you choose a side? You’ll have incomplete information, and no doubt one of them will claim they were harassed while leaving out some important details.

stardust, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

I think gaming is too mainstream like television/movie viewers to lump it into some type of niche group/activity these days. Especially with the increased communication and connectivity that the internet provides that brings all sorts of wanted and unwanted people together.

I’m someone who enjoys gaming, and when I play games like The Finals these days I disable chat/voice because most people are assholes. Game previously didn’t have chat and enabling that turned it from what felt like a wholesome community because I wasn’t exposed to their thoughts to it breaking the illusion when they were able to express themselves.

I think this is more a more broad societal issue and a worrying one of being shown what people truly think. Even a minority is a huge amount when the population is billions, so a lot of damage can be done. Games is just another avenue they choose to be toxic in along side other vehicles provided to communicate their thoughts.

Viri4thus, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

Fuck you for bringing sex into this. Fans should not harass volunteers as basic courtesy, the end. Most importantly because the modder wasn’t harassed for being a female but because her work, but you can’t get clicks unless you mobilise the culture war fanatics. American culture wars are pervasive and cancerous and we should strive not to emulate what goes on in that late stage capitalism hellhole.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

Considering the woman being harassed explicitly stated that the harassment she received was mainly misogynistic in nature, no. It very much is relevant to the situation.

Viri4thus,

No shit sherlock, as opposed to what? Polite gender neutral harassment that is the norm? Do you think the damzel in distress trope does anything for the mod author? Do you think the idiots that harassed her would not harass an author of different sex or gender?

Ok_imagination,

Don’t you have some female modders to harass?

Viri4thus,

I’m an equal opportunity hater, I don’t discriminate. Of course, I’m not American so I understand that non discrimination is a hard to grasp concept overseas.

lychee,

Discrimination is just American?

Viri4thus,

You are the champions of the western world

lychee,

quick question what languages do america, mexico, brazil and haiti speak?

NoForwardslashS,

This is a weird and popular trope with various European countries that hold themselves above others. Somehow things like racism and bigotry are purely an American phenomenon, usually said alongside spewing some sort of bigoted vitriol like this guy.

Dudewitbow,

while i understand the sentiment, I don’t think anyone gets the nickname “slutty sex kitten” in a non gendered reason.

Viri4thus,

Thing is, her identifying as a woman has 0 to do with the harassment. I get that clicks get food on the table, but it’s always the same BS disingenuous framing.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

i mean i suppose it’s still gendered but i can assure you there are tons of gay male couples doing that

Beardsley,

Well that felt unkind. The distinction between male and female is being made because the modder states men are sexually harassing her. There are other forms of harrassment listed, but it seems reasonable to make a distinction since there is a sexual nature to part of it.

Viri4thus,

Quite literally in the article, the first reddit link points to a female user disliking what the mod author did with Daegon. Again, bringing sex into this does nothing but generate clicks. There is an online community that always goes too far in the harassment of PEOPLE, as experienced by modders, devs, et al from all the ticks in the spectrum of sexuality since the dawn of social media. That’s it.

WhyFlip, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

Incels/“gamers” harassing a woman - shocker.

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