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EliteCow, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift
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Well I would hope so…

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  • Toad_the_Fungus,

    the left joycon on my switch started drifting after a couple of years, meanwhile the gamecube controller ive had and used for about 20 years still works perfectly

    nutlink,

    I've had my Switch since launch and haven't had any drifting issues. My brothers both had it though, so I think I've just been incredibly lucky.

    Viirax,
    @Viirax@kbin.social avatar

    For me the issue was much worse than drift. One of my joy-cons, that were not really used all that much so the "abusing your controllers" would just be false, just decided that it didn't want to work on the Y axis any more, and the quick fix was the add some credit card thick cardboard behind the joystick box. The controllers were just really badly made in the first place.

    Diasl,

    That’s really not the case, my switch got very light use (like a couple of hours a month) and after about 14 months it started drifting.

    lackthought, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift
    @lackthought@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    does the switch pro controller use different joysticks than the joycons?

    my joycons have drift but the pro controller, which I’ve used more often, is perfectly fine

    chris,
    @chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

    The technology is fundamentally the same but they are implemented differently. They joycon has less space so they needed a more compact layout. But both use potentiometers.

    Vash63,

    No, it’s just vastly larger so the copper contact strips are also larger and wear slower.

    BroederJakob,

    I bought a pro controller and it had drift out of the box, sent it back immediately and just got a third party Hori controller for half the price

    morphballganon, (edited ) do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift

    It would be 100% possible for game devs to include an option to mitigate drift (require the stick to be pushed at least ~x% to move at all, adjustable anywhere from 10 for slight drift to 50 for extreme cases). Haven’t seen the slightest effort nor heard a peep on that.

    Bunch of people in the replies seemingly never tried to play puzzle games with drift and have no idea how much trouble it can cause. Do the puzzles in The Last Campfire with joycon drift and let me know how it goes.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    That’s not a valid option. 50% is terrible for joystick dead zone and is considered poor quality.

    fartsparkles,

    As a Steam Deck user, even the thought of a 50% dead zone makes me nauseous.

    morphballganon,

    It wouldn’t be the default, obviously… did you read the first part of my post?

    priapus,

    It makes way more sense for that to be an OS level option, not per game. It also makes even more sense to have hall effect joysticks and avoid the problem entirely.

    bulgogi,

    You might as well be using a d-pad at that point

    circuitfarmer,
    @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Or use Hall Effect sticks and have no deadzone at all

    ChairmanMeow,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    Wouldn’t solve it, drift can affect regular joystick operation as well, where pushing it all the way to the side could show up as it being stuck in the middle.

    blazera, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift
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    Switch drift was so bad, im not getting the new switch unless it goes months without drift reports first.

    chris,
    @chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

    I upgraded my joycons to the guilykit joysticks and they are wonderful. And its not even that difficult. Took me about 30 minutes for both. But it’s a shame that I had to change them at all.

    BennyInc,

    Do Amiibos still work with the new sticks?

    darkevilmac,
    @darkevilmac@lemmy.zip avatar

    The NFC reader isn’t on the sticks, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t.

    BennyInc,

    I thought they were, since you touch the stick with it.

    https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/82d8938f-c695-4bc2-97b0-c9cccc48c37f.png

    EldVrangr,

    It’s actually around the stick, not in. Check a right joycon teardown, you’ll see the antenna stuck to the inside of the shell.

    chris,
    @chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

    Yes.

    cassetti, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift

    Well cool, I hope it does. I'm not a hardcore gamer, but the Nintendo Switch interested me for the occasional mario kart session. But all the Joycon drama scared me off from buying one. I'll hold out for a few more years before splurging - I'm in no rush, I rarely game or watch television anyway lol

    ono, (edited ) do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift

    Glancing over the patent, I don’t think Hall effect sensors are used here. Note especially the use of a fluid, and the presence of variable resistors (parts that can wear out in current-gen controllers) for each axis.

    Instead, this looks like an analog stick force-feedback mechanism that could also be used for automatic re-centering:

    Accordingly, in the first example, control of current to be applied to the MRF is performed in the way as described below, thus achieving both presentation of a feeling using the MRF and an initial position restoration operation.

    This wouldn’t keep the potentiometers from wearing out, but with the right software, I imagine it could automatically adjust the sticks to compensate for mild drift. (I don’t know if this would work any better than plain old calibration; it’s definitely more complicated.) Also, games could dynamically adjust stick resistance, like the DualSense can adjust trigger resistance, for interactivity/immersion.

    I wonder how much this would affect battery life, how long the fluid mechanism would last with normal wear and tear, and how environmentally toxic it will be when it eventually becomes e-waste.

    The PDF linked in the article seems to be a scanned image, so control+F doesn’t work, but the text is searchable here: patents.justia.com/patent/20230280850

    WetBeardHairs,

    Whoa, that force feedback mechanism sounds really cool! It might not be able to force movement but it would provide resistance to movement. I could imagine it as if your player character is walking into a wall and the joystick wont let you push forward.

    Pistcow, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift

    Laughs in Dreamcast

    gamer, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift

    I’ll believe it when I see it. Nintendo are cheap bastards, and if they fix the drift issue then they’ll likely cause it to fail prematurely somewhere else. Maybe the rubber will be cheaper so that it wears down and has to be replaced anyways? Or the plastic will be thinner so it cracks sooner, etc.

    echo64,

    Also if they wanted to fix it for their next console, then they could have fixed it for this console. Hall effect isn’t some new technology, the dreamcast controller had it.

    generalpotato,

    I’m betting on sticky buttons or triggers.

    Nintendo deserves class action here tbh.

    Sniper,

    there was a class action lawsuit about this… all it resulted in was nintendo having to provide free repairs to joycons… that eventually will start drifting again

    whileloop, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift
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    Two things I notice

    would eliminate stick drift almost entirely

    I thought Hall effect sensors didn’t drift at all?

    Second, I’m wondering what exactly Nintendo is patenting here, since Hall effect sensors are nothing new.

    Paradox,
    @Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

    They don’t get sensor drift, but if the mechanical centering of the stick is sub par, you can get mechanical drift. The N64 is a good example. Flawless sensors, shitty mechanical construction

    MentalEdge, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift
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    Fucking finally. Still have to see if they actually go through with it.

    kiranraine,

    Seriously…idk why they are so…obtuse to fixing shiz sometimes. Granted we are talking about the same company that won’t embrace fan work the same as Sega so they’re kinda backwards imo. Esp since that stuff usually isn’t making money or is free promo for the real shiz Ala streaming and reviews. They’re not very smart imo on a lot of things and seem to punish fans for having fun with shiz too much…

    MentalEdge,
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Nintendo is absolutely one of those companies that has been breathing its own farts for too long.

    A part of me is worried that they will patent this, and then just sit on the tech forever, and kill hall-effect joysticks for good.

    kiranraine,

    I mean I doubt it. Hall effects have been on the market for ages(notably the dreamcast as a few other comments reminded me). They can’t possibly stop hall effects and mods that allow them at this point XD

    WarmSoda,

    The title of this post and article literally say they patented it.

    vonbaronhans,

    You can patent a specific implementation of a technology, but not usually the principles behind that tech. Nintendo had patented this, too, but that likely has little to no effect on other hall effect joystick manufacturers.

    garretble, do games w New Nintendo patent suggests Switch 2 may solve joycon drift
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    I had to replace my original sticks this year because they finally started to drift after five years or so.

    I now have some Hall Effect sticks in each side, and I haven’t had any problems in the last six months with them. I really hope they go this route for the switch 2. It makes a lot of sense for them to, as well. They wouldn’t have to deal with fixing as many, and consumers would get a better product. Could be a rare win for both parties when I’m sure there’s some bean counters going “but if the controllers break more often we can sell more controllers!”

    mp3,
    @mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

    Could be a rare win for both parties when I’m sure there’s some bean counters going “but if the controllers break more often we can sell more controllers!”

    Hopefully a class-action wipes off all profits gained from that way of thinking.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Unfortunately not. Planned obsolescence fuckery is the norm now, not the exception.

    mp3,
    @mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

    At least one class-action going ahead so far.

    …citynews.ca/…/nintendo-joy-con-controller-lawsui…

    Viking_Hippie,

    Yeah, but that’s in Canada. Unlike the US, they don’t let companies get away with LITERALLY everything yet. Good on them for staying sane on top of the asylum though…

    morphballganon,

    What is Hall Effect?

    sleep_deprived,

    It’s a way to detect which way the stick is pointing using magnets. It’s way more accurate and incredibly reliable.

    9point6,

    Also because the moving parts don’t actually make contact with the sensors, the wear issues that affect joycons basically don’t exist

    Engywuck, (edited )

    HI! My son just received a Nintendo Switch for Xmas. Would you mint telling me more about those Hall Effect stick i.e., brand/model? It’d be interesting to know hot to get them “just in case”. Thanks a lot in advance!

    garretble,
    @garretble@lemmy.world avatar

    Hello! I just remembered your message.

    Here’s an article about the ones I bought (though I bought them through another site besides Amazon because I’m not an Amazon fan.

    Anyway, the process is pretty easy, though there are some smallish cables to be careful about.

    polygon.com/…/nintendo-switch-joy-con-drift-gulik…

    Engywuck,

    Hey, thanks a lot. I’m not an Amazon fan as well, so I’d buy them elsewhere when/if needed.

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    This is the first Diablo game that I’ve uninstalled within a year of getting it. The fact that it’s only been a couple months and it got worse not better makes this worse. It’s a seriously flawed game, and expansions won’t help it.

    GrayBackgroundMusic, do games w Diablo 4 GM confirms “annual expansions” for the game

    I don’t want annual expansions. I want good ones, no matter how long they take. Stop rushing shit. I miss “soon ™” Blizzard.

    ryathal,

    Those people left the company. Frostgiant studios is made of most the leads from blizzard that made starcraft and warcraft.

    Astroturfed,

    All the blizzard leadership cut out and have started a few new studios with games in the works. Don’t expect anything but highly monetized low effort money printer sequel game from Blizzard anymore. Stop buying their shit.

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