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Sonotsugipaa, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?
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I’m being peer-pressured into playing it with friends, it’s an ok game. The quality is there, it’s full of content, though I wouldn’t say my lack of hype was misplaced - I’d still rather play some other niche games in my library.

What rubs me the wrong way is it’s GPU load even with lower graphical settings, and the hundred gigabytes of mandatory high-res textures and whatnot;
I find the UX clunky and infuriating at times, which is not ideal but acceptable for the genre.

What I really respect BG3 (and Larian) for is that its overall a very solid game and it’s making the AAA industry seethe, apparently.
It’s also DRM-free, but I would definitely buy it rather than Steam-Familying it if I were into its subgenre (and if it wasn’t a GPU hog).

essellburns, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

Are you aware of what a big deal Baldurs Gate series, especially 2, were when they launched back at the millennium?

Mothra,

No, I’m not OP but I’m on the same bandwagon and for me this is the first BG game I hear about.

mojo,

Okay don’t fall off your rocker grandpa

Glide, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

It’s just a quality Western RPG, the like of which we haven’t seen since Bioware was bought.

Good products create buzz; I really think is is simply that.

DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That and it’s a tire-screeching exit from the abusive road we thought gaming was going down. Microtransactions, lootboxes etc. Baldur’s Gate 3 is refreshing from that perspective and, like me, I think many are amazed that it’s actually working.

lolcatnip, (edited )

I see nothing revolutionary about a game not having things like microtransactions and loot boxes. Those are mostly restricted to multiplayer games, and the industry never stopped making good single-player games without that bullshit.

bezerker03,

But bg3 is a multiplayer inspired game.

Bg 1 and 2 set the rpg world on fire. 3 lived up to the hype.

entropicdrift,
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Not just multiplayer-inspired. Fully multiplayer start to finish, if you want

hh93,

Even a lot of the AAA single player games have day 1 DLCs with skins or 15 different deluxe packages for preorder or something similar though

Doesn’t need to be the in-game microtransactions but it’s very rare today that everyone starts out with the same stuff in AAA games today

Ricaz, (edited )

DOS 1 and 2 were almost on par with BG3 imo.

Pillars of Eternity was also really good.

Thintalle,

How about those Pathfinder games? How do they stack up?

Ricaz,

Only played the first one which was pretty good. It’s super big on character customization as it has a million race/class combinations. A bit more extreme than the rest

kembik,

Here is a video about both if interested. youtu.be/bQZAg4RwuZU

sirico, do gaming w Steam Deck VS rivals
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Steam deck has the community. There’s more powerful single card computers than the raspberry pi but the pi has the community so everything works better and for longer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the decks support outlives the others not to mention the third party market.

MicTEST, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

Maybe don’t call them normies.

DebatableRaccoon,

Would you prefer ‘filthy casuals’?

loops,

“Peasants.”

but you have to spit the ‘p’.

DebatableRaccoon,

That’s what I call anyone with anything less than a 3070/6700XT, not just the technologically illiterate

datavoid,

I feel personally attacked

DebatableRaccoon,

If it makes you feel any better, it took effort to lean into my Master Race side that hard 😂

loops,
Hadriscus,

Pheasants

loops,

bang!

oo1,

"gooeys"

teawrecks,

In my day we called 'em n00bs.

MicTEST, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

It’s good.

bl_r, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

I’m a crpg fan, and a D&D/PF fan. For me, the thing that makes this game so fun is it feels like a streamlined D&D session. Sure, you can’t do as much as you would like in a D&D session, but you can do 99% of what you would typically want to do.

The other thing is the game is extremely polished. So many recent games have been underproduced, unpolished garbage with DLC/MTX shoved in and a $70 price tag. BG3 is a breath of fresh air. It’s not perfect, but the care and dedication that went into it clearly shows.

I feel what makes this game so popular is the fact that the game is just really well made. The story is great, the classes are much better balanced than 5e, and the amount of interesting solutions you can use to solve any problem is just fun. Add co-op, and the game becomes a blast to play with friends.

Considering the recent rise in trrpg popularity and fans of older titles in the franchise, Larian’s existing fans, and an early access that showed off the game as being fun and promising, I’m not surprised it ended up attracting a lot of players. If you have a large enough player base at launch, and an amazing game, I don’t think it is a surprise the game is lighting the world on fire.

TransplantedSconie,

I’ve been telling people: it’s as close to a D&D module you can get in a video game. Right down to the banter between party members. It’s an amazing game.

boolean, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.
@boolean@kbin.social avatar

I don't love the pejorative "normies".

some_guy,
@some_guy@kbin.social avatar

It’s cringe af and totally reinforces the “gamer” stereotype. We can do better.

GammaGames,

IMO it’s up there with calling people npcs

metaStatic,

it's way up there with using 'cringe' unironically

acastcandream, (edited )

Meh cringe can be effective as a descriptor, but it’s cringe to call people cringe as a personal attack. I’ve described situations as very “cringe-inducing.”

TwilightVulpine,

Cringe is a thing, but it's way too common that people use their own self-consciousness as an excuse to try to shame people who are just enjoying themselves on their own corner.

acastcandream,

Most definitely. I’m more distinguishing it from calling someone an NPC, which has no valid use  other than to dismiss or denigrate.

acastcandream,

NPC’s is worse to be honest. It’s generally used to attack people’s social/political values and call them “sheeple” without using the term. Normie is gross but it’s mainly just dismissive and having too high an opinion of one’s own taste/interests.

Ultimately it’s cringe as hell to say either lol

NightOwl,

Maybe there should be a contest to see who can come up with the most cringe worthy label.

acastcandream,

“Classical liberal.”

The most absurd thing I’ve seen conservatives in the US try to co-opt.

Die4Ever,

Normie is gross but it’s mainly just dismissive and having too high an opinion of one’s own taste/interests.

Really? I always thought it was supposed to be self deprecating, like saying “people who aren’t fucking weirdos like myself”

GammaGames,

I can see how it probably started that way, but once incels co-opt a term it makes it harder to use

snowbell,
@snowbell@beehaw.org avatar

Since when has normies been an incel thing?

GammaGames,

At least five years… I think? This wiki page doesn’t have much of a date

snowbell,
@snowbell@beehaw.org avatar

I see, never heard of it used like that before.

Makeshift,

really “normie” is a normie term now, ever since Wednesday on Netflix became a pop culture phenomenon. I’ve heard people in real life use this term

SkepticElliptic,

NPCs is ten times worse because it is used to dehumanize people you don’t agree with, further alienates you away from normal society and pushes you deeper into cult like thinking.

loops,

Unless referring to oneself. [me]

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

We can do better.

I’m guessing “wrong-sider” would be a step in the wrong direction?

GBU_28,

Referring to any hobby group as “we” is cringe.

some_guy,
@some_guy@kbin.social avatar

What hobby group was I referring to exactly?

Because I don’t think gamers are a hobby group any more than tv watchers are a hobby group.

Or do you think maybe I meant “we” as a collective for the people in this thread?

🤔

Wanderer,

“We can do better” or worse “X do better” is more cringe.

It’s just everyone judging everyone like they are worthless. Maybe people want to be part of the group maybe they have an identity with hardcore gamers. They don’t need to do better that’s their right.

Tigbitties,
@Tigbitties@kbin.social avatar

I downright hate it.

TimTheEnchanter, (edited )

Me either. I’m a “normie,” I guess, and it feels unwelcoming and condescending.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

it’s definitely a weird term but in more than a few contexts (mostly very online contexts) i’ve found it to be the only suitable terminology because there’s just nothing else which most of the people i talk to will “get” otherwise–it’d be nice to have something a little bit less embarrassing to work with, to be honest lol

can,

there’s just nothing else which most of the people i talk to will “get”

The group here may be different from most of the people you talk to.

Try:

“the average person”

Or (mostly joking) “allistic”?

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

“average person” i’m afraid lacks a certain it factor–probably the ironic steeping in terminally online culture implied by even speaking it–that’s implied by using normie. i find in many of these circumstances it just seems out of place also. in a semantic sense i’m not sure “average person” maps to “normal person” either, which is another thing

Die4Ever, (edited )

Yeah I’m not sure “average person” works the same… maybe “median person”? 🤣

The 10% nerdiest people hold 90% of the nerdiness?

But yeah I don’t think “average person” works, because it’s not a wide enough range and doesn’t include the opposite extreme end

“non-normies” is a very small group, in this context non-normies would be the most extreme gamers. The “average people” would not include a somewhat invested gamer, and it also wouldn’t include someone who is heavily opposed to gaming, both of which would be included in “normies”.

Limeade,

I don’t think someone heavily opposed to gaming would be considered a normie, they would be in their own separate extremist camp also apart from the average person.

reverendsteveii,

lacks a certain it factor

the it factor you’re talking about is “being a dick”

Templa,

As someone alternative that been active in local gothic scenes I also use “normie” to refeer to people that do not engage with subcultures. I didn’t even know it was considered pejorative until this post

Radiant_sir_radiant,

I just think of “normie” as the new “vanilla” - every group that uses it, uses it uses it to refer to people who are not a part of that particular group, so its meaning depends on the context but should be self-explanatory and not (necessarily) derogatory.

As a software guy I like the word for its simplicity and ease of use.

zuzu,

I feel like ‘layman’ would be the perfect word here

reverendsteveii,

I feel like ‘layman’ would be the perfect word here

without the artificial air of superiority

some_guy,
@some_guy@kbin.social avatar

Wow.

snowbell,
@snowbell@beehaw.org avatar

I cant even right now with this thread. There is nothing wrong with “normie.”

violetsareblue, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

This is cute. I hope she enjoys the gift.

silvercove, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

It’s also changing how normies think of Linux.

Also it basically doubled the % of linux users at Steam.

Diplomjodler,

Normies don’t think about Linux. You don’t even need to see Linux if you use a Steam Deck.

ReverseModule,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Still, casual gamers did think Linux couldn’t game. It’s changing this opinion in the best way possible and that’s really important since Linux is the best OS. I personally think we still live in medieval PC times as long as Windows is the main OS used.

Goronmon,

Still, casual gamers did think Linux couldn’t game.

The parent comment is right. Most people don't think about Linux. Ask a 'casual' Swtich owner what OS the Switch uses, and their answer is probably going to be pretty close to the answer that a similar Deck user would give.

callyral,
@callyral@kbin.social avatar

Normies¹ don't even really think about Windows or OS in general, most people just think it's just what a computer is like regardless.

¹ : Normie as in person who is not experienced with computers and PC gaming

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Even so it made it significantly harder for people to make the dated throwaway comment that you’ll lose access to a majority of your games by switching to Linux.

With that I feel like people will see it’s just as usable as MacOS and Windows in a majority of circumstances.

conciselyverbose,

You can use crossover and it isn't awful, but I think Mac is third for gaming at this point.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I’m not too sure. I used to browse /r/MacGaming despite not owning a Mac but I lost of track of things when they killed 32 bit support

conciselyverbose,

There are some games that get official Mac ports, and that's nice, but compatibility on the rest of your library doesn't just work out of the box.

Like I said, crossover is OK but when Mac's biggest strength is ease of use, fiddly manual configuration to make your library work isn't awesome.

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I lost all my games when I swapped to Linux.

But that’s because it was a decade ago, and I was way too lazy to figure out why wine wouldn’t work, tho I don’t really pc game anyway and these were mostly older games, even then. Small loss.

I know there’s a lot of stuff either native dev or ported/cracked for Linux, just never really spent the time to look into it.

The only thing that’s going to cause problems for me now is idk how Linux handles vr. I assume not terribly well, since none (almost none?) of it is native dev. I’m looking to move away from consoles now that they are moving away from physical media (no point collecting if there’s nothing to collect), so Linux being more robust is great! But vr maybe my stick point. Depends how well developed it gets I guess.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

VR headsets and games with anti-cheat software still have issues. I haven’t been able to get Oculus Rift S to work for example.

I think some headsets like the ones made by Valve and HTC work better though. I’m not sure if there’s currently the same degree of rapid advancements for VR Linux gaming as there are for gaming in general on Linux. I know OpenHMD exists but I haven’t tried it out myself.

shadowbert,
@shadowbert@kbin.social avatar

My Vive Pro does work - but not as nicely as it did on windows. Driver support for stuff like reprojection doesn't seem to be there.

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah that’s kinda what I was expecting.

I don’t really have a vr setup right now (have a psvr, the tracking sucks but I want to like it) but I was thinking maybe an index at some point…

Tho tbh if I need to keep a windows pc for that to work… I can… I won’t be thrilled for it, but my laptop is touchscreen and running 11… idk how Linux does with touchscreen so I haven’t changed it out yet, probs could upgrade the hardware to game off it.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Have you tried using the PSVR on your computer?

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not yet, but I looked into it before I bought it and I’ve seen that it can be done as sort of a viewing unit? If I understand correctly that’s all it would be, which is still probably a powerful tool, but I just got the vr like a month ago and then immediately got two surprise kittens so I have not had time to play at all, much less do anything fancy with it.

However if you want to tell me all about it, I am more than happy to learn from a person rather than an impersonal article. Really.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I would have linked an article. I haven’t experimented with it myself but it seems like there’s one paid project available through Steam that aims to support the PSVR

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No worries.

It’s a thing I’ll probably do at some point. Just for kicks. I’m a big fan of playing around with hardware to save money 😁 but it’ll probably be a while before I get to it. I have some self hosting and automation to learn to do first (not super knowledgeable presently, but omfg is the fediverse helpful with tech stuff 💜)

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Me too. Messing around with hardware is something that’s always stuck with me from when I was a teenager. If you give the PSVR thing a test mind messaging me or commenting so I can hear how it goes?

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was also messing with hardware/software starting in teens. Grew up during the brief period in which home computers were fairly common though still quite expensive, but pc repair shops weren’t really around.

I will try to remember, but it might not be for a while. :)

OverfedRaccoon,

I was going to say I slightly disagree, but then I thought about it some more and realized they probably just see it as SteamOS in the same way Android doesn’t make people think about Linux either.

silvercove,

When some Microsoft simp makes unfounded claims about how you can’t game on Linux, we now only need to point at the Steam Deck.

firecat,

No, this is incorrect, OP thought steam deck is ok because the games are exclusively only in steam. OP never try to consider her mother-in-law. Giving someone linux and just assuming they understand is not going to help make them like the game or machine.

shapesandstuff,

Thats because its linux only in a technical sense

wahming,

We’re talking about software, what other senses are there? :D

shapesandstuff,

Well for the user. Like the mum from the post won’t go like “Oh wow the linux pc that is my steam deck can game”

They only experience steam OS as the console. Like when mum used to say you play “the nintendo” too much :D

hackser,

How is it not Linux?

moody,

Most people probably won’t explore the desktop mode, but SteamOS is basically a full-on Linux distro.

shapesandstuff,

Exactly!

silvercove,

Most improvements on the Deck translate to all Linux distros. That’s pretty good.

shapesandstuff,

Good point, i didnt think about it that way

sci,

that’s like saying apple is changing how normies think of Unix

Sordid, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?
@Sordid@beehaw.org avatar

It seems like BG3 is getting more attention than all of Larian’s previous games combined (and maybe all of Obsidian’s recent crpgs as well).

Legendary brand name which the game actually lives up to.

tonytins, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

I love my Steam Deck.

AppropriateTrash, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

Have her check out Dinkum and Disney Dreamlight Valley when she gets the steam deck.

gaytswiftfan, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

it fills a lot of inches to the point where it’s unique but also approachable. reminds me a lot of dungeon and dragons mixed with dragon age/mass effect mixed with fire emblem

Datas_Cat_Spot, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?
@Datas_Cat_Spot@startrek.website avatar

The Baldur’s Gate IP has a solid fanbase, D&D is really popular now, and also Larian knocked this one out of the park.

It’s also refreshingly consumer-friendly, like others have said.

Stillhart,

This hits all the points pretty succinctly. Nice.

zachary3752,

Pretty much a perfect summary, well said.

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