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gmr_leon, do games w Is there any love for BAR (Beyond All Reason-FOSS RTS) on Lemmy?
@gmr_leon@mstdn.social avatar

I think you forgot a link to the game itself! 😜

https://www.beyondallreason.info/

That aside, I've been giving it a look again lately but haven't dove in just yet. I'm in an odd mindset atm where I don't know if I'm down to wrap my head around RTS mechanics, but I'm really impressed by the looks of the game!

Also wanna highlight that this is a great rabbit hole to go down for other open source RTS games via Zero-K, Spring Engine, OpenRA, etc.

CapableRoot,

If you’re going to dive into any RTS I would definitely recommend this one. With any of them you have to familiarize yourself with the units and the interface which can seem like a lot at first till they become like your best friends and you know them by heart. A lot of other RTS’s that have been around are somewhat losing steam for entry-level players and might not be worth the investment. If you want more “hero” types of RTS I would probably recommend something like Stormgate but if you’re interested in military/army battles then BAR is a winner.

I don’t know why I didn’t link the website lol, guess in my head I didn’t want it to come across as sponsored or something and anyone who was super interested would just look at the links in the videos or search it. I’m just very entertained atm so figured I would share the videos that got me to this point. Thank you for the Zer0-K and other references, looked it up and now realizing there’s a whole slew of projects and remakes I’ve missed out on.

You made me pause for a while and contemplate my RTS gaming history. I was never really enthralled with medieval or time period rts’s (even though I’ve definitely sunk a lot of time into some of them like lord of the realms) but C&C I absolutely loved when it first came out. The cool live-action cut scenes, expanding what I was familiar with playing Dune, even had family members that also really got into the series. I slowly drifted away from it, I realize it was because of the excessive never-ending expansions being released and an absolutely bonkers story of a political drama it was. I just couldn’t keep up with all the releases as a broke kid and the characters/story lines did nothing for me.

Old school Blizzard did a great job with Warcraft cinematics for the time, the mystery behind the world you inhabited was left to your imagination at the beginning. They did a banger of a job with the Starcraft lore when it came out as well. I still remember pouring over the game booklet with the origins story before and after getting to finally play it. Human prisoners lost in space like some kind of 30th century Australia stuck in cryo-sleep and only awake to find they can never return home? Fascinating. Zerg Hive mind with specialized broods with their own lore? Baelrog Brood is legendary to me still. Protoss was just so fascinating and everything connecting the universes stories together just seemed mystical. Though I feel like they just completely botched it, Brood wars story was too rushed with a million things going on, SC2 was just abysmal and generic story telling but I do appreciate that something did happen after sc1 as I would be complaining for different reasons if they had just dropped it and moved onto a different game lol. Sorry for the wall of text, was nice to get this fleshed out from my mind though.

gmr_leon,
@gmr_leon@mstdn.social avatar

No worries on the wall of text! Also fwiw I'm familiar with RTS games, which is why I mentioned not being in the mindset for them currently. They're a lot to take in, even on a good day! 😅

Nevertheless, when I'm of the right mind for'em, I really enjoy'em. Building up outposts, assembling a bunch of units, and fending off enemies, it can be a bunch of fun!

Lately I've been more interested in peaceful builders/strategy games though. Still, BAR and the like remain really impressive!

B0NK3RS, do games w Which games do you dislike, but the rest of the world loves them?
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

In general anything with crafting and/or excessive loot. I find it very boring and especially when a game is advertised as “survival” when in reality it is just a crafting game with no real threat.

midnight,
@midnight@kbin.social avatar

I agree in general, although I think Subnautica is still great despite being heavily crafting based.

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

Subnautica is almost an outlier to the rule but the ocean triggers a phobia so I can’t play it. The Long Dark is probably the best example of a survival game with crafting that I do really like.

Rai,

Maaaan I looove crafting and survival games and HATED The Long Dark hahaha.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

That trend of shoving crafting into literally everything for a while was really irritating. Even with the great big empty MMO world, Dragon Age Inquisition would have been much more fun if I didn’t spend a good half hour after every expedition looking through the giant mountain of crafting-based loot I inevitably acquired.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Yeah, crafting for Gotham Knights made the game considerably worse. It added basically nothing over procedurally generated or designed loot.

It’s not like Gotham Knights was ever going to be a game where you really need that level of min-maxing.

Jaysyn, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Great game. If you even remotely like PoE, give Tyranny a try.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I actually loved Tyranny more, but act 3 is seriously rushed. Also new game+ is meh at best.

micka190,

Tyranny was such a fun game (rushed act 3 aside). I really wish we’d get more games that explore being the bad guys without:

  • Immediately trying to overthrow them
  • Making it into a joke/comedy
MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

True true. We need more anti-heroes.

micka190,

No no no, see that’s the opposite of what I want. I want more games where you can just straight-up be the villains. Not an anti-hero, not someone who’s trying to change the system from within, not a secret rebel who needs to go along with the bad stuff to keep their cover.

I want more games where you can just be a villain. I want more games where you can rob the banks, kill the NPCs that aren’t listening, have a big fortress of doom, and fight-off heroes who are trying to stop you.

Not because of some gray moral backstory that somehow justifies some of it (or that will have people jumping through hoops to justify it like with Mr. Freeze and his wife).

Just because you can.

Tyranny gives you a bunch of options to just be evil and not enough RPGs do that properly.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, I misunderstood you. Yeah, it would be refreshing to see that as well.

Macaroni_ninja,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

I loved Tyranny, but the combat was much worse compared to PoE. For newcomers I would recommend the lowest difficulty setting so they can enjoy the excellent writing and story.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Dammit PoE is way too overloaded of an acronym. I thought you were referring to Path of Exile and got confused.

Shurimal,

Power over Ethernet
Perl Object Environment
PowerOpen Environment
Product of Experts
Platform for Open Exploration
Post Occupancy Evaluation
Port of entry

I'm sure there are more.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Power of Evil :^)

sonovebitch, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

Final Fantasy VIII card game ♥️

zeroshift11,
@zeroshift11@lemmy.world avatar

I second this. Triple Triad is so much fun! Fun fact, they have it in Final Fantasy XIV and it’s so much fun to collect the cards and play other people. They even have tournaments.

rem26_art,
@rem26_art@kbin.social avatar

Lol my friend sat down to play FFXIV once, but as soon as he was able to play Triple Triad, thats all he did for hours

Annoyed_Crabby,

For some reason it just wouldn’t click with me, tried getting into it in multiple point of the game but no luck.

TexasDrunk,

I liked all the mini games in 7 and the card game in 8. However, due to nostalgia, my favorite is the sliding puzzle game in the first one.

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

I love this right up until the random rule gets applied, then it’s just frustrating.

helloharu,
@helloharu@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. Triple Triad is the only answer here.

Not to be mistaken by the abomination that is Tetra Master.

MSids, do games w Games that force you to make hard choices

Every game on Steam that uses the publisher’s launcher.

_sideffect, do games w This console generation seems skippable

I disagree with not owning one.

If you have a 4k 120hz, VRR tv, then you really are missing out when playing games.

And the speed of the PS5 loading, along with Xbox series quick resume features, make gaming feel much more instant like it used to in the snes days.

kakes, do games w Games that force you to make hard choices

Baldur’s Gate 3 has a lot of really hard hitting decisions, and I’m in awe at how they’re able to make the story work with just how many choices there are.

Jarmer,

Ehhhh, it has a lot of decisions, yes. But in the end: do any of them matter at all? I feel like 99% of my decisions never made any kind of difference whatsoever at the end.

I did a whole bunch of stuff with Shadowheart and she wasn’t even in my ending at all. Totally missing. I did even more crazy stuff with Karlach, and in the end I was given zero dialog or options or chances to do anything with her, the game forced her to say “I’m getting too hot” and fall down and explode and die. I did by far the most stuff with my primary character Astarion, and in the end I got zero options to do anything with the woman he loved and he ran away to hide in a cave.

So… Yes there are lots of options to make decisions one way or another. But none of them matter at all whatsoever in the end. So, don’t be too in awe, because the way they make the story work is just totally ignoring anything you ever did.

MudMan,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Did you miss the "no spoilers, please" bit in the OP? That's a dick move.

flumph, (edited )
@flumph@programming.dev avatar

You made choices and got the results of those choices. The alternative results are different.

!There are multiple endings where Karlach survives in different ways. Shadowheart’s story has at least three possible outcomes, maybe more that I haven’t seen. This goes on and on for each origin character. Even NPCs you encounter in Act 3 are shaped by your choices earlier in the game.!<

Frankly, based on your description, it sounds like you made a bunch of lame decisions. There’s neat endings and then the middling one you got.

Zikeji, do games w What's your favorite game you played this year? (Doesn't have to be released this year )
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

BG3 for me. It’s been a while since a game has captured me so much.

steeznson,

I did not enjoy the combat in the D:OS Larian games because I was so used to real-time with pause combat from the old Infinity Engine games. Will grab BG3 when it goes on sale in a year or so.

idunnololz, do games w [Steam] Which lesser known games have you bought or are planning to buy in this sale?
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Oh one game I forgot to include is Ghost Trick. It’s so lesser known I forgot about it.

This game is amazing. It’s by the creators of Phoenix Wright and it was originally made for the DS back in 2010. It was a commercial failure because Capcom didn’t advertise it at all and since it’s released it’s been pretty obscure. It was only ported to PC this year.

I think this is a game you should go in blind. I highly recommend this game.

MrScottyTay,

funnily enough I first found out about this game and started playing it literally days before the announcement of the remaster. I’ll stick with the DS version when I continue it cause I prefer the stylus for this kind of game but I’m very glad others will get to enjoy this game regardless of their ownership of a DS.

iheartneopets,

I think this one is also pretty well known as a beloved cult classic lol

ILikeBoobies, do games w What's up with Epic Games?

Epic gives better cuts to devs and games have to opt into DRM

Enjoy the free games if you cant afford them

Aurix, do games w What's up with Epic Games?
  1. Epic Games paid big money to make some games platform exclusive.
  2. Their launcher is, just like Origin and Ubisoft’s one, features wise vastly inferior to Steam.
  3. Smaller indie level multiplayer games do not have crossplatform play with Steam, or other issues like DNF duel breaking player room ping indicators.

None of these explain the amount of frequency of anemosity towards Epic for their store. It seems some are in a parasocial relationship with their Steam launcher. A bit like console fanboy wars. And for some reason they prefer a monopoly without alternatives than one with alternatives. Perhaps some see the installation of another program as an intrusion to to their private comfort. Not rationally like Microsoft’s ill willed spying telemetry, but emotionally led. I encountered a few people who just don’t want to install new programs and perhaps see Epic a threat to their habits.

But I dislike them for dropping Unreal Tournament.

wildginger,

I dont use them explicitly for reason 1.

Buying out a game after it was already set to sell on other platforms, and after people had already preordered it from those platforms, because your store lacked such basic functions as a check out cart so no one wanted to use it put them on the curb for me permenantly.

In a capitalist system, companies get worse in quality as they think they can get away with it to improve profit. Starting your store off at such a low point for your customers tells me that they are going to drop much lower once they think they have the stable playerbase to get away with it.

So I am completely disinterested in building a library of games on a platform I see as destined to become worse than the starting line of in the gutter.

Aurix,

Your points are very valid and it was a terrible thing for Epic to do, but they backpedaled on that and have never done the removing a product from Steam afterwards ever again.

wildginger,

No, they have never done it so far. Because it cost them a large amount of public opinion when they had almost nothing else to lean on. It was a decision that they survived only because their other products like unreal and fortnite funded it.

Once they think they have enough dedicated users, who are unwilling to leave their libraries, and they believe they have earned a steam equivalent customer reputation? They will do it again.

ashok36,

Yeah, because Steam changed their terms of service to prevent companies from doing said bait and switch schemes.

CrypticCoffee, (edited ) do gaming w I banned my kid from Roblox.... what next?

Try Minetest - www.minetest.net

It’s a FOSS voxel engine, so they can play multiplayer with their friends for free. MineClone2 is a Minecraft clone on Minetest, so even if their friends don’t have Minecraft, they can still play with friends.

For paid games, consider indie games, as they’re less likely to be micro-transaction bullshit. Raft, Stardew Valley, Two Point Hospital are good options. Not so much multiplayer, but Stardew supports it. Multiplayer wise, maybe Among Us if the parents are comfortable with that.

Kushia, do gaming w I banned my kid from Roblox.... what next?
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Microtransactions aside, if you’re trying to protect your kids from creeps online you’re gonna have to ban every platform that supports interactions with strangers. This includes several other games you’ve mentioned in the comments including Minecraft.

Personally, instead of banning it I just play it with my kids on a regular basis. There’s plenty of actually decent games on Roblox and it enables game ideas that otherwise wouldn’t see the light of day. My favourite is the Ikea survival game.

Pietson,

The problem with Roblox is that they themselves are the creeps exploiting kids

sirfancy, do games w Game devs should follow the BG3 development footprint

My opinion: Follow the Apex Legends one. Don’t tell the public literally anything. Build up zero hype, and then release it out of nowhere and let the game speak for itself. No hype = no overinflated expectations or impatient gamers. Obviously not every studio should do this, but I wish more would. I enjoy being pleasantly surprised, rather than wait for a game for years, only for it to be overpromised and DOA.

Why9,

I see what you’re saying, but it’s unviable for much of the industry, and Apex seems to be a rare case where it found success despite the competition of overwatch, counter strike etc and despite being unknown (unlike valorant, which had significant brand recognition behind it).

But it’s unviable. Large studios need to market their games early to recover development costs through pre purchases and get people excited enough to buy day 1 (and to convince investors that there is enough excitement behind the title).

Small studios already do this - they don’t have brand recognition and therefore no money or need to market their games extensively (except on free platforms like Lemmy, Reddit etc), and hope their game somehow gets picked up by twitch and does well (e.g. Among Us). For many, many indie titles, their games die in obscurity, or get just enough attention to cover costs.

In general, what you’re asking for is the following: Don’t tell the public anything. Build a game that’s good enough but has an unknown IP (so that people who are hunting for registered URLs or LinkedIn hires don’t spot anything that could hint at a game), and then release it suddenly, but be absolutely confident that it is genuinely fun, it’s watertight (free from major bugs) and chef’s kiss optimised so incredibly well, that it gets nothing but glowing reviews on day 1 and word of mouth alone, through Twitch and YouTube is enough to propel it into the mainstream and make it an instant hit.

Or be Starfield lmao. If Bethesda is unable to do to Starfield what No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk did, then there’s absolutely no confidence that Elder Scrolls 6 will be a good game.

Ilflish,

I think you can learn a lot from apex even if it’s not the obvious choice. For Counterstrike 2 the trailer was dropped, aggressively marketed and a beta was put in people’s hands basically at the same time solidifying the game is good. Then it disappeared until launch. It very clearly worked because there were no complaints about the game. No question how good it is because the streamers played it. Then it’s just a waiting game. BG3 not quite the same but putting the game into people’s hands meant that people knew it was solid, before launch. Access creates buzz, especially if a game is enjoyable. It’s the through line between all the success stories. Let people play good game, then other people want to play the good game.

Transcendant, do games w Game devs should follow the BG3 development footprint

I’m cautiously optimistic for Light No Fire. The main thing I learned from the NMS initial launch experience (am a day 1 player) is not to allow myself to get too hyped for games (this knowledge was cemented by the launch of CP2077 haha). And, you’d hope that Sean / HG learned also not to overpromise in terms of feature set… would hope they learned a hell of a lot from the long cycle of updating NMS.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Well, there’s no redemption arc bigger than NMS in gaming history, being optimistic about NMS is ok and has been for a few years.

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